League of Legends - "New DOTA game"
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The guys who created DOTA have now created a stand-alone game. And i must say, its a blast :) ( and free )
Im seeking likeminded (NSplayers) to come get our buts kicked in some fun games :)
Im going to be a compleat prick and post my own referal link instead of the normal one for 2 reasons ( so dont ban me :D )
1. It takes you directly to the Download page - so you dont have to browes the site to find the DL link, and:
2. Im a sucker for vertual stuff perks ( just like the black armor ) - and they are rewarding referals whit skins and stuff on your champions :)
Anyways, if you liked DOTA, you´ll defendly going to like this game :)
<a href="https://signup.leagueoflegends.com/?ref=4c4eeed5c2bfb" target="_blank">https://signup.leagueoflegends.com/?ref=4c4eeed5c2bfb</a>
Im seeking likeminded (NSplayers) to come get our buts kicked in some fun games :)
Im going to be a compleat prick and post my own referal link instead of the normal one for 2 reasons ( so dont ban me :D )
1. It takes you directly to the Download page - so you dont have to browes the site to find the DL link, and:
2. Im a sucker for vertual stuff perks ( just like the black armor ) - and they are rewarding referals whit skins and stuff on your champions :)
Anyways, if you liked DOTA, you´ll defendly going to like this game :)
<a href="https://signup.leagueoflegends.com/?ref=4c4eeed5c2bfb" target="_blank">https://signup.leagueoflegends.com/?ref=4c4eeed5c2bfb</a>
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Watched a few of them, seems interesting enough <img src="http://members.home.nl/m.borgman/ns-forum/smileys/tongue.gif" border="0" class="linked-image" />
Im GISP in LoL aswell :)
IMO, if you take away the complicated, unintuitive aspects of DotA I can easily imagine there's a really boring game behind it.
<!--quoteo(post=1792921:date=Aug 8 2010, 03:15 PM:name=sherpa)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sherpa @ Aug 8 2010, 03:15 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1792921"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I've been put off it by fellow HoN players who say it's a less complicated version of DotA- any hero can be specced to carry, no denying creeps etc.
IMO, if you take away the complicated, unintuitive aspects of DotA I can easily imagine there's a really boring game behind it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
HoN is DotA re-make.
LoL tried to make DotA better.
If you want a line-by-line feature-by-feature comparison analysis, I suggest taking a look at this:
<a href="http://soapboxfornoone.blogspot.com/2010/06/hon-vs-lol-vs-dota.html" target="_blank">http://soapboxfornoone.blogspot.com/2010/0...ol-vs-dota.html</a>
Allow me to quote the last few paragraphs:
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Recommendation:
If you are a DotA veteran and only want to play more DotA, Heroes of Newerth is solid. It's basically DotA, but with better UI and way better engine. Plus, no BattleNet. It also tends to feel more frantic and visceral due to the extremely influential spells and grittier graphics. The purchase unlocks everything all at once, no grinding to unlock heroes and plenty of game modes to play them in. If you do some advanced forum hunting you can also modify your UI in wonderful ways to give you every bit of information you wanted, on the screen where you want it.
If you thought DotA was awesome but the core mechanics could use a bit of tweaking or are a new player to the scene, League of Legends is the way to go. Much better item UI, great overlays, and the Death Recaps ease newbies in. Plus, the limited number of available heroes at the start lets you become familiar with them instead of trying to learn 80+ all at once. The persistent summoner with levels and runes also adds a bit of progression keeping you looking to grow as a player even more. Don't worry, summoner stuff only accounts for about 10% of the battle. Hero choices are another 20-30%. The rest is skill. It also currently has superior matchmaking capabilities. Plus, you can't argue with free.
I will continue to play both for now, especially as I can play with friends in both realms.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I do take advice from people about stuff, but direct flaming and QQing is for small teens, and not worth my time.
But realy, can you find any game whitout idiots QQing?
edit: lotta crap to get your head round though
Still, if you're being completely fail, people aren't afraid to tell you. Just like in NS, just admit you're being noob and ask for help and they'll probably help you. Unlike HoN where they just put you on banlist and kicked you when that option existed.
I'm not a huge fan of HoN's defensive play with quite a bit of more passive laning, farming and jungling. Still, like Sherpa mentioned, just dropping them out isn't a solution. I wouldn't mind a more aggressive, skirmish and harass based game, but not a the cost of depth and strategy.
The unlocking doesn't seem too great to me. I can occassionally throw 30$ at a game if I know it's enjoyable and interesting. Then again spending time unlocking and having limited means of learning the game don't seem inviting at all.
HoN community didn't seem that friendly, but I think LoL will develop some hating of it's own just like all games do. Playing with people you know seems to have been my only solution for quite a few years now.
The guide seems to recommend LoL to me, but I can't completely understand the reasoning. I like HoN UI, there's very little argumentation on why the LoL mechanics are better. To me they seem different and interesting, but in no clear way superior to HoN's. Has anyone got any deeper understanding what kind of depth and emphasis the games have when you get past the basics? Does LoL have a viable competetive scene? How bad are the LoL unlocks, do I have to waste a lot of time on them?
<a href="http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Champion_Rotation_Schedule" target="_blank">http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Cham...tation_Schedule</a>
I'm now trying to get the Tiny Master of Evil
<a href="http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Veigar_The_Tiny_Master_of_Evil" target="_blank">http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Veig..._Master_of_Evil</a>
a little evil <!--coloro:#F4A460--><span style="color:#F4A460"><!--/coloro-->######<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> that does nice crowdcontrol/stuns and has a helluve damage output.
He's around 1300 points and I got around 1000 stretched over about 7 or 8 matches I think, and I suck at it mostly! So it's not that hard to unlock them. some cost around 6300 as well...
<!--coloro:#F4A460--><span style="color:#F4A460"><!--/coloro-->Seriously b a s t a r d is censored?<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
Everything is free to play right off the bat, and the currency is gained super fast, so if your dying to get that champion you allways wanted, its only a few games away, or you can take the lazy route and buy it whit real money, thoe thats kinda silly since you can affort it after a few games anyway.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->HoN community didn't seem that friendly, but I think LoL will develop some hating of it's own just like all games do. Playing with people you know seems to have been my only solution for quite a few years now.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yup yup, Trolls dosnt get any attention from me aswell, and weee... I have fun playing games :D
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The guide seems to recommend LoL to me, but I can't completely understand the reasoning. I like HoN UI, there's very little argumentation on why the LoL mechanics are better. To me they seem different and interesting, but in no clear way superior to HoN's. Has anyone got any deeper understanding what kind of depth and emphasis the games have when you get past the basics? Does LoL have a viable competetive scene? How bad are the LoL unlocks, do I have to waste a lot of time on them?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well since its free and you feel the guide recommends it @ your playstyle, gogo DL :)
After a week or so im lvl 27/30 and the unlocks are going super fast, well fast enough for me to unlock/ buy stuff for the 4 champions i regulary play, and when i reach lvl 30 and get thoes last runes, buying/unlocking the rest of the champions wont take more then a few games each. - Oh yeah Every so offen they rotate the "free" champions so you can try em all out before buying em :)
-As for the competetive scene. The first official ladder had just started and the finals will be held at World Cyper Games, and a w00ping 100k$ to the wining team.
As of now theres no spectator mode and stuff like that, but they are working on it, so i expect the competetive scene will get its fair share of "youtube view" :D
Anyways, pro or no pro, come so i can show you how to die whit style :D
Yeah, I have it dloaded. Usually I just tend to find one game and look deeper into one or two specific games rather than playing a dozen games occassionally. The problem is that you usually can't find any valid information on the actual depth of the game, so you'll just have to keep playing each and every potential game until you can understand the actual logic and gameplay tricks. Whenever possible, I'd like to avoid spending 20 hours on learning a game that doesn't interest me one bit after a certain point.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/Noxywoxy" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/user/Noxywoxy</a>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/ColbyLoLVideos" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/user/ColbyLoLVideos</a>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/coldturkey49" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/user/coldturkey49</a>
Some nice Champion specific YouTube channels so you can see how they play and what they do without testing it yourself
Really there's infinite arguments about LoL being "better" or not. Really some of the changes like denying are almost like bhop threads. It's a solid mechanic, keeps you busy in the lane, lets 1v2's survive, and there's a huge resistance to removing it. Still, it generates problems (yay tower hugging) and so LoL tried removing it and forcing players to focus more on last-hits and pushing and early harass. Is it "better"? Depends on who you ask.
Mostly at its core LoL is DotA. There have just been several tweaks. One of the crazier ones was the introduction of AP, which scales up your abilities. This means casters can seriously wipe the floor if they get farmed up enough. However, they still can't push since towers can only be attacked with regular damage. And the diminution of how powerful the jungle is forces people into the lanes and ganking more.
If you want to play LoL and pay 0 cash, it will take somewhere around 100 wins to reach Lv30 at which point you can play in the super duper League ladder. Still, during that time unlocking heroes is pretty fun and you always have a good fight. And most of the unlocks happen relatively quickly. If you're willing to play for a full few days straight, put in some cash for the XP booster and you'll make it to Lv30 in no time. Might as well get the IP booster too to unlock your champions and fill your rune pages. Or you can get the 1day only boosters. Or a per win booster for those who don't play more than a game a day.
A personal nice thing about LoL is their commitment to make new and interesting hero mechanics. HoN mostly has rehases of DotA heroes with some tweaks. LoL has been putting out new mechanics and some really interesting gameplay choices.
Really though yes HoN is still solid. It's got all the things you loved about DotA and is way, way better in UI and has pretty OK matchmaking. Plus it is doing some of its own innovations with its heroes. Oh, and VOIP support. Thank goodness for VOIP support.
Push strats are the current metagame in HoN. With a lack of anti-push heroes, and orbs no longer stacking (less point sitting in the jungle for 30 mins) the common picks for good teams are Defiler, Hellbringer, Slither, Panda etc.
Unless you mean relative to the likes of LoL. Which I can't comment on =3
Also, I really miss the days of HoN where they foolishly didn't have any anti-combo heroes, so Magmus and Tempest ruled the day. Those were annoying days. Now we have Silencer/Vindicator and plenty of stuns. And Tablet of Command. <3 Tablet.
I've also been seeing lots and lots of gank teams nowadays too. Really what's kinda fun is the team composition meta games in DotA games. Do you go push? Carry? Gankers? What kinds of mixes and combos you cal do? It's really fun. Unfortunately a couple of the people I play with are starting to fall into repeating patterns. I wanna mess around with new crazy ideas! I don't want carry+babysitter, solo mid, and dual stun lanes!