Descenting commander view

uffouffo Join Date: 2003-05-03 Member: 16026Members
edited April 2010 in Ideas and Suggestions
oh helloes!
did a really quick search and didn't find anything on the subject so pardon me if there's already been discussion about this.
anyways! I'd like to make a map where marines starts high and kharaa are at the bottom and marines have to gradually walk deeper
and deeper to the peril. I think it would create more sense of the danger since after all, the evil always lurks in the basement.

but since this is NS and there's this commander view which brings some limitations. with NS1 this was impossible because
the lower the map gets the greater the commander's view distance gets, so I was thinking that maybe in NS2 the commander's
camera could follow a plane that can be set into a certain angle and therefore the commander's camera would always be at desired
height.

here's a picture to elaborate.

<img src="http://uffo.wanha.org/maps/ns2/commview.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

anyone with this one?
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  • T_RATT_RAT Join Date: 2002-12-17 Member: 10967Members, Reinforced - Gold
    I think a map like that would be sweet, not all maps though. The camera idea makes sense to me, but i don't know much about making games : )
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  • PipiPipi Join Date: 2009-12-09 Member: 69550Members
    I've let my thoughts on that in the Commander View sticky thread. I certainly agree with that.

    I was thinking of either an auto-adjusting camera with smooth Y movement, or maybe a let the commander player use the mousewheel to zoom in and out of the map, and let the mapper set a minimum and maximum height inside the level with the commander camera entity.

    I'm sure they'll come up with something better and more intuitive than in NS1 anyways.
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  • 1mannARMEE1mannARMEE Join Date: 2008-09-23 Member: 65064Members
    I don't think such a map was impossible in NS1, I can remember someone who made a map and made it Pyarmid style so that there was one hive location at the top of the pyramid and every hive location was exactly the same time away from the marine start, I thought that was quite a genious attempt to the whole NS1 really unbalanced hive locations.

    Maybe in NS2 it'll work better, but even if the camera is a little weird, this map would be nice anyway.
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  • spellman23spellman23 NS1 Theorycraft Expert Join Date: 2007-05-17 Member: 60920Members
    In a Podcast and for some ideas I believe we have discussed a kind of mesh height for the comm view (either precompiled or dynamic, don't recall/wasn't determined). That way different areas that are higher or lower wouldn't have this problem. However, it's not part of this: <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/wiki/index.php/What's_new_from_NS1" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/wiki/inde...;s_new_from_NS1</a> so.... dunno.


    Also, I heartily recommend ns_nexus, which is the pyramid map people are talking about.
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  • MaxMax Technical Director, Unknown Worlds Entertainment Join Date: 2002-03-15 Member: 318Super Administrators, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, Constellation, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts, Future Perfect Developer
    I can't remember if we did a blog on this or we were just thinking about it, but NS2 will allow for the commander height to vary. The way it works is you setup these camera entities in the editor which specify how high the commander view should be at that location. The game interpolates between nearby camera heights to make it move smoothly.
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  • uffouffo Join Date: 2003-05-03 Member: 16026Members
    neato and thanks! this can be locked away then.
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  • Lemming JesusLemming Jesus Join Date: 2010-04-13 Member: 71385Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1767572:date=Apr 17 2010, 11:38 AM:name=Max)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Max @ Apr 17 2010, 11:38 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1767572"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I can't remember if we did a blog on this or we were just thinking about it, but NS2 will allow for the commander height to vary. The way it works is you setup these camera entities in the editor which specify how high the commander view should be at that location. The game interpolates between nearby camera heights to make it move smoothly.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    So, the commander can't zoom his view?
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  • schkorpioschkorpio I can mspaint Join Date: 2003-05-23 Member: 16635Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1767572:date=Apr 18 2010, 03:38 AM:name=Max)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Max @ Apr 18 2010, 03:38 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1767572"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I can't remember if we did a blog on this or we were just thinking about it, but NS2 will allow for the commander height to vary. The way it works is you setup these camera entities in the editor which specify how high the commander view should be at that location. The game interpolates between nearby camera heights to make it move smoothly.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    yup it was in an audio blog ages ago :)
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  • FocusedWolfFocusedWolf Join Date: 2005-01-09 Member: 34258Members
    edited April 2010
    <!--quoteo(post=1767572:date=Apr 17 2010, 01:38 PM:name=Max)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Max @ Apr 17 2010, 01:38 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1767572"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I can't remember if we did a blog on this or we were just thinking about it, but NS2 will allow for the commander height to vary. The way it works is you setup these camera entities in the editor which specify how high the commander view should be at that location. The game interpolates between nearby camera heights to make it move smoothly.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Yes i remember that reveal.

    Any chance of full multi-floored support? I.e. floors which overlap each other?

    I just think it is a bit limiting that all "multi-tiered" maps will have this 2 dimensional feeling. Sure you can go up and down in height (like ns1 maps) by traveling across a stair case, climbing a ladder, or jetpack etc but it's noticeable that you are on "1" floor the entire map, just like how the commander sees it in this implementation.

    Sure it's more work for a commander, but this easily justifies having multiple NS2-commanders to handle the workload in parallel :)
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  • Renegade.Renegade. Join Date: 2003-01-15 Member: 12313Members, Constellation
    You have no idea how serendipitous this thread title is, considering some comm's ego inflation :)

    Anyways, entity-controlled camera is a step up, by why not go full-out player control? I don't see why allowing the commander to control his view on all axis is problematic.
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  • Lemming JesusLemming Jesus Join Date: 2010-04-13 Member: 71385Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1767666:date=Apr 18 2010, 12:00 AM:name=R_e_n_e_g_a_d_e)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (R_e_n_e_g_a_d_e @ Apr 18 2010, 12:00 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1767666"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You have no idea how serendipitous this thread title is, considering some comm's ego inflation :)

    Anyways, entity-controlled camera is a step up, by why not go full-out player control? I don't see why allowing the commander to control his view on all axis is problematic.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Neither do I. I did never had any trouble in Empires with the camera. I'd really like to see a camera control option like World In Conflict.
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  • celewigncelewign Join Date: 2010-02-06 Member: 70458Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1767662:date=Apr 17 2010, 11:55 PM:name=FocusedWolf)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FocusedWolf @ Apr 17 2010, 11:55 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1767662"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yes i remember that reveal.

    Any chance of full multi-floored support? I.e. floors which overlap each other?

    I just think it is a bit limiting that all "multi-tiered" maps will have this 2 dimensional feeling. Sure you can go up and down in height (like ns1 maps) by traveling across a stair case, climbing a ladder, or jetpack etc but it's noticeable that you are on "1" floor the entire map, just like how the commander sees it in this implementation.

    Sure it's more work for a commander, but this easily justifies having multiple NS2-commanders to handle the workload in parallel :)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    needlessly complex
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