Charging Energy Pistol
Battle-Bug
Join Date: 2010-02-11 Member: 70523Members
Join Date: 2010-02-11 Member: 70523Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Extra damage for charged blasts</div><!--coloro:#00BFFF--><span style="color:#00BFFF"><!--/coloro--><b>Background:</b><!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
The pistol is a simple weapon. It is semi-automatic and using it is as simple as pointing and shooting. Alternate pistols have been suggested, but not charging energy pistols.
<!--coloro:#00BFFF--><span style="color:#00BFFF"><!--/coloro--><b>Suggestion:</b><!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
Have an energy pistol that can charge. It can be fired like a regular semi-auto pistol, but it can be charged to produce a harder hit. I'd suggest something like 10 damage for semi-auto hits and 50 damage for charged hits. Charging takes 2-5 seconds and uses up to 5 ammo in a single burst (ammo being a unit of energy). Ammo could be in magazines (or batteries). However, we could have the ammo "recharge" like alien adrenaline (as an idea).
I've seen these in games like Perfect Dark N64 (mauler) and Halo (plasma pistol). See videos below.
<!--coloro:#00BFFF--><span style="color:#00BFFF"><!--/coloro--><b>Advantages:</b><!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
-A ready and charged pistol can do a quick initial blow to the enemy as opposed to needing 5 accurate hits.
-A pistol can be fired when partially charged and does a proportionate amount of damage to the amount of ammo used.
I'd also like to throw out the idea of energy weapons not doing ap damage and only hp damage. We're not talking about implementing it on big guns, but it would be a unique advantage for this small weapon. (don't get hung up on this, it's not set in stone)
<!--coloro:#00BFFF--><span style="color:#00BFFF"><!--/coloro--><b>Disadvantages:</b><!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
-Normal hits do less damage than standard pistols.
-Charging takes time, so it won't be very useful if not charged before battle.
-Charging takes place while pistol is out and doesn't stay charged when put away.
-Pistol makes charging noise that is audible.
-Not as accurate as standard pistol (little spread, though, like lmg)
-A missed charged blast would mean more wasted ammo.
Note: I'm not suggesting a replacement for the pistol, only an alternate pistol or an upgrade.
Reference threads (no charging or energy pistols in them):
<a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?showtopic=107021" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/in...howtopic=107021</a>
<a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?showtopic=104483" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/in...howtopic=104483</a>
<a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?showtopic=103420" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/in...howtopic=103420</a>
Halo Plasma Pistol (he charges it near the end):
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Perfect Dark Mauler (a bit loud):
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The pistol is a simple weapon. It is semi-automatic and using it is as simple as pointing and shooting. Alternate pistols have been suggested, but not charging energy pistols.
<!--coloro:#00BFFF--><span style="color:#00BFFF"><!--/coloro--><b>Suggestion:</b><!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
Have an energy pistol that can charge. It can be fired like a regular semi-auto pistol, but it can be charged to produce a harder hit. I'd suggest something like 10 damage for semi-auto hits and 50 damage for charged hits. Charging takes 2-5 seconds and uses up to 5 ammo in a single burst (ammo being a unit of energy). Ammo could be in magazines (or batteries). However, we could have the ammo "recharge" like alien adrenaline (as an idea).
I've seen these in games like Perfect Dark N64 (mauler) and Halo (plasma pistol). See videos below.
<!--coloro:#00BFFF--><span style="color:#00BFFF"><!--/coloro--><b>Advantages:</b><!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
-A ready and charged pistol can do a quick initial blow to the enemy as opposed to needing 5 accurate hits.
-A pistol can be fired when partially charged and does a proportionate amount of damage to the amount of ammo used.
I'd also like to throw out the idea of energy weapons not doing ap damage and only hp damage. We're not talking about implementing it on big guns, but it would be a unique advantage for this small weapon. (don't get hung up on this, it's not set in stone)
<!--coloro:#00BFFF--><span style="color:#00BFFF"><!--/coloro--><b>Disadvantages:</b><!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
-Normal hits do less damage than standard pistols.
-Charging takes time, so it won't be very useful if not charged before battle.
-Charging takes place while pistol is out and doesn't stay charged when put away.
-Pistol makes charging noise that is audible.
-Not as accurate as standard pistol (little spread, though, like lmg)
-A missed charged blast would mean more wasted ammo.
Note: I'm not suggesting a replacement for the pistol, only an alternate pistol or an upgrade.
Reference threads (no charging or energy pistols in them):
<a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?showtopic=107021" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/in...howtopic=107021</a>
<a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?showtopic=104483" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/in...howtopic=104483</a>
<a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?showtopic=103420" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/in...howtopic=103420</a>
Halo Plasma Pistol (he charges it near the end):
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Perfect Dark Mauler (a bit loud):
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Comments
Energy weapons don't fit with the lore or atmosphere, but the game mechanic could be interesting. Mind you, is there a reason to not walk around with it out and fully charged all the time? Overheating, perhaps?
Overheating can work one of two ways. Either it can overheat from charging/being charged or it can overheat from firing... if we want to include that mechanic.
As far as fitting the lore or atmosphere, NS2 has some things that have stretched those boundaries... weld bots, mobile siege cannons and such.
They used to allow ips to kill aliens when someone was spawning or phasing (and i loved that btw because it still sucks to this day to spawn into a onos's stomach), but i guess (besides game design reasons), if an ip or pg could be a 1-shot to kill everything type of weapon then why isn't this technology incorporated into every weapon. I.e. build a PG under a hive = gg, or a shotgun that phase transports the fades chest 4 ft behind em (that would be a cool shotgun btw).
Energy weapons don't fit with the lore or atmosphere, but the game mechanic could be interesting. Mind you, is there a reason to not walk around with it out and fully charged all the time? Overheating, perhaps?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Half Life 2's pistol charged up. It just fired more rounds. No need for energy weapons for the "charge up" effect.
Walking around with it charged all the time leaves you with one semi-high power shot and then low power secondary weapon spam to kill an alien. It's not as straight forward as just skipping about with your trusty Primary Weapon. Mess about with the numbers to make them equally valid options, and you thus have more choices for marines.
Perhaps "charging" the secondary weapon could increase its accuracy? I like that better than increase power. Or at least the increase in power should decrease the accuracy (but not rate of fire after the charged shot) to even out the advantages and disadvantages. If we give Marines a high accuracy high power weapon (with high rate of fire low damage high accuracy afterwards), things will quickly become very campy. Skulks won't want to get taken down to 1/2 HP with the first shot and thus stalling, camping, baiting will occur. Give them a high power low accuracy weapon (with high rate of fire low damage high accuracy afterwards) and combat becomes a bit more interesting. Marines have to be bold to charge up and loose accuracy and the skulks have to be bold to try and dodge the first shot.
-A ready and charged pistol can do a quick initial blow to the enemy as opposed to needing 5 accurate hits.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is why I don't like this suggestion.
Do you like it when the marine misses and screws himself because he's spent half his clip and he does half the damage of a regular pistol with the remaining shots?
It's basicly a pscript. More damage, higher risk, if missing.
Also, why don't we call that weapon taser? Oh wait..
/halo
IMO you should be able to upgrade RoF instead of damage, but I guess I'm a bit of a purist when it comes to the aiming style of NS.
I'll go a bit off topic. I wouldn't mind a gattling gun that does 1 dmg/bullet and 3000 rounds/min. Maybe I should make a suggestion thread for that :)
IMO you should be able to upgrade RoF instead of damage, but I guess I'm a bit of a purist when it comes to the aiming style of NS.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Personally I prefer twitch-shooting with the Shotgun, but yeah, in general NS aim is about tracking while moving.
Wait, what?
Yea, that's the downside. A good, charged hit packs a punch. However, those blasts use quite a bit of ammo (proportional to damage) and I suggested that regular, non-charged shots do 10dmg (regular pistol is 20dmg. We can adjust these numbers if you guys want.
"Cover me, I have to charge my gun!"
"whanna have my cell-charger?"
Maybe the pistol can have a burst alt-fire so it quickly fires off 2 bullets at high speed. Or you know the ability to have dual-pistols :P
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q4zv2QGdos" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q4zv2QGdos</a>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc8VLig1Ymg" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc8VLig1Ymg</a>
Or you know we could give people a choice. Do they want the fugly ns2 pistol in the reveal videos or do they want a magnum revolver: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmfxHLhib4M&feature=related" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmfxHLhib4M...feature=related</a>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EoJowwbhu8&feature=related" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EoJowwbhu8...feature=related</a>
I believe i'm entitled to a personal weapon considering the dangers associated with the work. Life expectancy = 2 minutes if your lucky (or a ninja) etc.
Corporal Hicks had a personal weapon consisting of a shotgun. Vasquez had a 1911 clone for a backup lol.
"Cover me, I have to charge my gun!"
"whanna have my cell-charger?"<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There's your disadvantage. Though, if the alien was in front of you and you had a clear shot, you wouldn't wait for it to charge. You'd fire it right then, charged or not. Don't forget that it can be partially charged.
As far as the magnums go, we can make a thread for those later (chances are it'd be high damage and low magazine capacity).
I thought it was more a Halo rip-off personally.
You misunderstand. He wants a 2nd pistol.
It was Perfect Dark that reminded me of the possibility. That game has something like 4 pistols. You really see the difference in tactics because of the weaponry when you have as much variety as Perfect Dark provides.
My main concern is that it doesn't fill any particular role. It seems to be a pistol/shotgun hybrid. The shotgun allows for slow ROF but high damage whereas the pistol may have high ROF but law damage. This idea straddles the line in between and wouldn't seem to perform any of the roles to its full capacity. Thinking in terms of balance, you can't make this pistol as expensive as the shotgun, nor should you make it as powerful when charge up shot is used, as this would totally make the shotgun irrelevant. On the other hand, the normal shots for this idea cannot be less powerful than the shots from a normal pistol. Otherwise, after using the charge up shot, the weapon would be quite redundant.
I think in the end, it is a secondary weapon. Everyone would favour using their primary weapon over the secondary weapon. That's why its called a secondary weapon. And spending money to upgrade a secondary weapon which you would not have out most of the time seems to be a bad choice. In the end, everyone would rather spend that money on primary weapons, and rely on the normal pistol, when they run out of primary ammo.
I can see a charge shot working for a primary weapon, but not a secondary weapon.
How about a rifle or smg that uses liquid or nanite explosives for gun powder and it flows into the firing chamber at a steady rate. Thus, it can build up for a larger explosion? Would that solve all these problems?