I think the new AVP is awful
Mr. Epic
Join Date: 2003-08-01 Member: 18660Members, Constellation
Join Date: 2003-08-01 Member: 18660Members, Constellation
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and dm is the part ill play least of in the full game when it arrives, im mostly getting it for the 4 player co-op..mostly
Sure, it's not perfect and obviously a console port, but I think it's pretty fun and polished.
But NS2 will totally kick it's ass, on that I can agree.
Alien takes some getting used to, but is very fun.
Marine is great, even if you get completely decimated.
Predator is hard to get ahold of though. I've only gotten like 3 predator kills. :(
I still can't wait for the SP though. :D
GIVE ME A GOD DAMNED SERVER BROWSER YOU WORTHLESS PUSBAGS.
--Scythe--
Shoddy console port?
Matchmaking instead of server browser?
Nuts.
Downloading... DONE!
So far unimpressed. Ages looking at "Searching for game" and a blinking underscore.
Aren't these matchmaking servers also more expensive for the developers to maintain, or are we talking about shady listen servers?
I'll probably only get it for the awesomeness that is Aliens vs Predator single player (now coop?) is where it's at (or should be :P)
I don't think I would buy it it doesn't feel right to me how ever I bet the single player would be good and some of the game modes will make up it is still an early version so I will keep my mind open
What were they thinking?
I don't know where to start, and I don't see a reason to.
1) Levels are too bright (if you compare the light levels to the original AvP it's like las vegas. Most places are well lit and the marine torches illuminate a heck of a lot).
2) Instant Kills = not very instant. Instead of a quick headbite you have to go through an elaborate kill animation if you 'grab' someone. These were usually long enough to get me killed, not to mention it's hard to tell who's killing who when you come across one which has led to some friendly fire :s
3) Random stickiness. Aliens don't seem to have a very consistent rule for sticking to stuff. With auto-transition off you still stick to walls if you walk off things which confuzzled me a good many times. If I wanted to stick I'd have held down the mouse button dammit :p Not to mention that on some portions of the ceiling you have to click the transition again to keep moving because the angle is too steep or something. Overall it's not very well done and your best bet is to run about holding down the middle mouse (not the best key for it either if you ask me ¬.¬)
4) Controls = what? Q to sprint? Really? and it's a modifier not actual sprint either so to sprint you have to hold Q and W. Weird.
5) Alien Vision could be better. For some reason they've changed it to left 4 Dead vision which is disorientating. To be more specific, you only see prey outlines if you don't have a direct line of sight. This basically means you'll be stalking someone, then they'll dissapear and you'll wonder what happened. What happened is you just got direct line of sight to them but the models don't stand out much against the level so having lost the obvious indicator you're left trying to spot a subtle silhouette. In the original AvP they just kept the outlines at all times which I feel was better.
5) It's behiiiiind you. That's right... marine scanners beep if there's stuff behind you. I could still sneak up on other marines as alien but when I was marine myself you had zero chance of getting to me unnoticed. I dominated the server pretty hard when I was stuck with marine (top score while simultaneously typing venom about how I hate marine and want to change race). Luckily I worked out how the confusing race selection worked after that round and I escaped from my human shackles to confusing xeno experience I belong to :p
There's lots more complaints I could come up with but my initial experience was very off putting. I've been seeing a lot of down opinions on it. Hopefully a bit more time might clear the alien up for me, or maybe the controls are just really poop. I'll have to mess about and work out how you use 'focus' exactly too :p
~~Sickle~~
The key layout looks like it was made by someone who has never played a FPS in his life.
The 1-hit melee attacks are WAY too easy to do. you can grab someone from further away than your melee attack can reach. Once you grab someone there is no way for them to escape.
All melee attacks stun, And heavy attacks open your enemy up for an instant kill.
The combistick is exclusively a throwing weapon now... you have an infinite amount of them to throw too...
attacking decloaks you, no matter what weapon you use.
Aliens can chase their tails...No, really!
Pretty much the only change that I like(with the exception of chasing your tail) is the reworking of the predator's super jump: you hold shift, and it shows a panel that will emit light if you are close enough and are allowed to jump on that surface. you then can press space to do a feathery light jump to that location.
Aliens also have the ability to jump to any surface in a certain range(which is pretty long, you can jump from the floor to most ceilings easily). If the surface you're pointing to is in range, your crosshair will change a little. I'm pretty iffy about this function. It seems to make aliens a little TOO mobile.
Aliens have gotten a buff when it comes to healing: they now regenerate health all the time instead of needing to eat corpses(which you can still do, btw) this basically means that aliens with low health can crawl onto a dark ceiling and regenerate instead of having to kill more people.
Yeah, I think I'm just going to save my money for now and see if I can get AvP2 to work on Vista...
1 - DM only and 8 player limit
2 - No dedicated servers makes game quality very very variable
3 - NO HOST MIGRATION FOR WHEN A HOST LEAVES!
4 - DX 9 only until release, I wanted to test out my hardware and see how it handles
5 - Bad default controls (although I can easily fix this its just not mapped in any sensible way)
6 - The menus move very cumbersomely as if they had a controller in mind and this bugs me as more and more ports make there way to the PC. If I want to change something mid game it shouldn't take me 4 or 5 seconds to get back to the game after Iv changed it.
7 - A little too bright but again with some messing I think I can fix this.
Things I like:
1 - Its AvP
2 - The demo level has some nice hiding places, above, below, side to side, despite its relatively small size although.
3 - Only played the marine so far and seemed
4 - The little messages on loading screens are nice but a few too many for a massive plus.
5 - More to follow when I get around to playing more.
I've been following this game loosely. In the actual game there will be dedicated servers, the max player cap is 18, dx11 will be supported. I feel like the control scheme was definitely made for consoles then ported to PC. It will take some getting use to but I enjoy the pace of the game far more than most other FPSs. I agree with most criticisms made, especially the poor default key mapping and 1-hit melee being too easy to pull off.
That vid should be inspirational or turn some heads on those that might not get into the controls of this game.
In melee its alot more about timing than i thought, learnd alot from this vid.
True, but it may explain why there aren't a lot of demos around: If your game is ######, releasing a demo will cost you sales. Better to just release the game and hope that as many eagerly waiting fans of the previous games as possible gobble it up before everyone realizes that it's a ######pile in game costume.
QFT.
A many a games demo had lead me away from the full game.
I'll try again later.
* voicecom is enabled by default, in the lobby, lots of static, hissing
* quickmatch doesn't work, but you can join a public AVP group and join on people their names, what's wrong with old style hosting/joining?
* press E to jump on a crate, pick up a weapon, jump up that ledge, feed the dog, pay 50 bucks for AvP3 oh wait, well you get the point, what is this, a console game?
* slowest walking speed ever, marine can't run for too long either, default button Q, wtf?
* melee, how does this even work? homing instant kill?
* animated death scenes, looks great the first few times, really annoys afterwards
* weird wide FOV
* cluttered HUD
* haven't found out how to choose species
At least the graphics look okay, I guess.
Boy did they make a mistake calling this their demo, they should have named it beta, as it is pre-release code.
If you look at the species portrait you'll notice there's 3 tiny badges on it. Rather than clicking on the portrait like most people do what you want to do is try to click on the teeny tiny badges. They change your race =D
Go go gadget user experience!!! It's more like an easter egg than a User Interface :s
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This basically summarises all my issues. And they could be resolved before release, as long as Rebellion take them onboard.
They had no reason to go change the core mechanics from earlier games for wallwalking and... something as simple as dying? Killmoves? Are you joking? In a singleplayer, sure, but oh god oh why in multiplayer? I don't want to be frozen in place when I'm eating someone's head off, nor do I want to be frozen in place when I'm getting my head eaten off. Just die and get on with it.
The jump system is terrible for Aliens. It's like I'm back in kindergarden and I'm getting slapped on the fingers for doing something wrong. WHY WON'T YOU LET ME JUMP IF I PRESS THE JUMP BUTTON? BECAUSE I'M NOT CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE WALL I'M LOOKING AT? F YOU. JUST LET ME JUMP! So much for quick getaways. You try to leap the hell out of harm's way but end up doing a miserable hop (even I could do better) and die because you were an inch too far from the wall and the long leap wouldn't initiate.
And what about locking my camera in place? So I engaged that marine and he's lying on his ass there, fine, but I just saw a predator running at me and he's going to killmove my ass if I don't jump away. ######. The camera is locked! I'm gonna die! Oh there we go, now to just leap away... ######. I'm too far from the wall! Oh I'm dead already. Hello there mister Predator, shiny blades you got there.
Wallwalk... urgh. I don't get motion sick or anything like that, but sometimes you just need to stick to the floor so you don't get torn to shreds by the Pred your dueling because you backpedaled in to a box and lost sight of him for a second. So why can't I? Force wallwalk on all the time? Did you guys fall on your head? This wasn't in the earlier games and it was great. Why change that? Oh and don't get me started about turning auto-transition off. It started out that way and it was even more terrible. The transition button worked when it wanted to and you ended up getting killed while walking at a wall trying to walk upwards.
The wallwalk system was FINE in AvP2. Why did you mess that up?
I could go on and on but most of it has already been said. Ultimately, my first statement still stands. There's potential; it's just not being used.
Really? Having the POV spin like a gyroscope inside a tumbledryer inside a cement mixer truck was fine? I never get motionsick, but that game nearly did me in.