Well abra, if they don't make the Onos stronger as it was when it was first released, then they won't be able to put fear in the hearts of new people...
I remember playing NS1, seeing an Onos charging after us, we'd all be on our mics yelling "OH MA GAWD! ONOSSSSSSSSSSSSSS"
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I don't quite get your point, could be a language barrier..
Your first sentence seems to tell me that the onos needs to be stronger to strike fear. Next one implies that the onos was a terrifying opponent already.
Could you rephrase your last post for my danish eyes? :D
<!--quoteo(post=1763284:date=Apr 8 2010, 11:12 AM:name=Abra)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Abra @ Apr 8 2010, 11:12 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1763284"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I don't quite get your point, could be a language barrier..
Your first sentence seems to tell me that the onos needs to be stronger to strike fear. Next one implies that the onos was a terrifying opponent already.
Could you rephrase your last post for my danish eyes? :D<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Abra, game mechanics are pure speculation in how they will all pan out, all we have to go on is the idea that secondary routes are encouraged in the mapping guidelines, and state that it should naturally be something that an Onos should be like "Yeah i'm not going through here" even if it COULD.
Secondary routes are also more shortcut based and you would never be able to traverse a map using only secondary routes.
The onos is a tank, and once again, not meant to be an alien you go on a solo rampage with. It's a support unit, primarily a base destroyer. If you encounter areas where marines can use secondary routes or vents as vantage points, the idea is that you have other aliens with you as support for those moments.
<!--quoteo(post=1763266:date=Apr 8 2010, 01:42 PM:name=Abra)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Abra @ Apr 8 2010, 01:42 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1763266"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Think about it; denying the major routes of the map by having an onos running rampant seems like a pretty big advantage, IF the secondary routes somehow are inferior for the marines somehow (crawlspaces, forcing the marines to duck and move slowly. Dark areas that make skulk attacks more devastating etc.)
Denial of grander scale movement doesn't have to be a small advantage. Just for thought.
edit: Think about half-life 2: episode 2. When you are chased by the antlion guard, you are forced to run, crawl and hide from it until you can retaliate efficiently. That is how I imagine the onos having the potential to be a powerful offensive unit aswell as a alien tool of terror.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't think many teams would go for an Onos to knock about in a few primary corridors to keep the marines out when the marines can just by pass it down a secondary or even phase gate past it. The aliens would lose a player if that happened. I think a Fade would be a better option as they can do what ever they like and have much better team benefits.
<!--quoteo(post=1763254:date=Apr 8 2010, 04:59 AM:name=Standard)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Standard @ Apr 8 2010, 04:59 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1763254"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If the Marines can use the map design to counter an Onos, what type of map design do the aliens take advantage of when the marines get HA/JP?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Vents, speed and ambushes, all of which are conditional to the map, just like before marines get HA/JP. Terrain is just as much a part of the battle in large rooms and hallways as it is in small ones.
Not that I want to moderate, but your gameplay criticisms don't really belong in this thread, anyway. It's for screenshots.
<!--quoteo(post=1762930:date=Apr 6 2010, 03:38 PM:name=Cyanide)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cyanide @ Apr 6 2010, 03:38 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1762930"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I threw these up on my blog (<a href="http://mapprogression.tumblr.com" target="_blank">Map Progression Blog</a>), but since it's been awhile and isn't many screens, I thought i'd throw them here as well for some feedback. This is a secondary route hallway that will be weldable shut. It connects the marine start, and you can see the transition through the pics at my blog if you're curious how it does.
I know, it's a hallway. Thrilling. :)
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Also, lol, yes, i realize that one of the props isnt attached to the walls in the pics. I fixed it, haha.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1763303:date=Apr 8 2010, 01:57 PM:name=Standard)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Standard @ Apr 8 2010, 01:57 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1763303"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I don't think many teams would go for an Onos to knock about in a few primary corridors to keep the marines out when the marines can just by pass it down a secondary or even phase gate past it. The aliens would lose a player if that happened. I think a Fade would be a better option as they can do what ever they like and have much better team benefits.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The onos isn't really designed to go lurking around the hallways keeping the marines out (that's where the other classes excel), it's moreso designed for an all-out assault on marine positions (at least that's my feeling from NS1). As such, as long as the onos has access to all the major points of the map (tech points, res nodes, important rooms) I don't see an issue with onos-unfriendly areas. I do think however that secondary routes should provide different options to players, and that having secondary routes that parallel primary ones is rather silly. I would un-derail this thread, but sadly I don't have the editor to play with yet :( .
There will hopefully be lava underneath the room. I improvised some fun lighting. Also, the floor is double-sided, which is why the lights are picking up the shape of the grates. I built the nooks (right wall, and far corner) into the wall with vent pieces. With the banked walls, Skulks running from marines can "cut the corner". The vents on the opposite corners don't leave the room. They just provide a more secure way to cut the corner. The banked walls are a bit taller than marines, so they won't get too many easy shots at waiting skulks. Also note that this room has a very high ceiling. Lerks, anyone?
Updated the blog with -7 NEW PICS- including this one I'm linking right here. <a href="http://mapprogression.tumblr.com" target="_blank">BLOG IT!</a>
Also, Giant, to emulate the lava lighting, create 3 lights, Red Orange Red, about an inch apart, and set values to 200 distance 60 intensity. That's how I emulated my glow, feel free to experiment beyond that.
Feedback welcome, the loop is done, aww yeah, more hallways.
Great! Thanks! There are actually a TON of lights down there already. I plan on rebuilding that particular junction to better fit what I had in my mind.
some small wips.. a little premature but eh! Feel its about time I contribute to my favorite thread.
Theme for this map is an underground garbage disposal facility.. nowhere to dump rubbish in the future except down deep holes into the center of the world, right? :P
this RP is part of the AS.. the origin of the outbreak. don't fall down the hole!
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<!--quoteo(post=1763611:date=Apr 9 2010, 01:40 PM:name=UncleRay)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (UncleRay @ Apr 9 2010, 01:40 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1763611"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Marine1 to M2: "So how deep is this hole?" M2: "That's what she said"<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This joke makes no sense on several critical levels.
These are pictures of a room just off from the Marine starting area. This particular map takes place 67 miles beneath the surface of planet mining planet. it wouldn't make much sense if the marine didn't have a way in.
I decided to re-visit an old are and actually incorporate it in my current level; a little bit of texture and lighting cleanup along with the first public Spark build clean up and it now looks as so,
My first go at it :D This is actually only a peice of a level I am working on so it isn't as nicely decorated or lit since I still need to have it tested before it gets the lovely touches. This is also why some of it may seem plain is incase something needs to be changed it is a lot easier to change. The final version will look much nicer.
I'm also not very good at final lighting so if anyone would like to offer help when I'm done building the rest and it has been tested that would be great :)
<!--quoteo(post=1765596:date=Apr 11 2010, 01:06 AM:name=Cyanide)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cyanide @ Apr 11 2010, 01:06 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1765596"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Updated the <a href="http://mapprogression.tumblr.com" target="_blank">blog</a> with 5 new pics including this one. MAJOR EDITS. Check it out!
While the lighting is consistently good, all of it thus far seems to be the same colour.
Keep the softness and quality of the light placement, but change the colour for different areas, and maybe have a couple of harsh bright spots dotted around.
And maybe use something other than muddy colours, I hate beige, that's just personal preference though.
Wow, I feel so put out now after seeing some of Cyanide's work XP
I do agree with Chris about adding color variety, but I do defend the color beige since it adds a really nice mining/industrial feel to the area being lit.
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I remember playing NS1, seeing an Onos charging after us, we'd all be on our mics yelling "OH MA GAWD! ONOSSSSSSSSSSSSSS"
Your first sentence seems to tell me that the onos needs to be stronger to strike fear. Next one implies that the onos was a terrifying opponent already.
Could you rephrase your last post for my danish eyes? :D
Your first sentence seems to tell me that the onos needs to be stronger to strike fear. Next one implies that the onos was a terrifying opponent already.
Could you rephrase your last post for my danish eyes? :D<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Abra, game mechanics are pure speculation in how they will all pan out, all we have to go on is the idea that secondary routes are encouraged in the mapping guidelines, and state that it should naturally be something that an Onos should be like "Yeah i'm not going through here" even if it COULD.
Secondary routes are also more shortcut based and you would never be able to traverse a map using only secondary routes.
The onos is a tank, and once again, not meant to be an alien you go on a solo rampage with. It's a support unit, primarily a base destroyer. If you encounter areas where marines can use secondary routes or vents as vantage points, the idea is that you have other aliens with you as support for those moments.
Denial of grander scale movement doesn't have to be a small advantage.
Just for thought.
edit: Think about half-life 2: episode 2. When you are chased by the antlion guard, you are forced to run, crawl and hide from it until you can retaliate efficiently. That is how I imagine the onos having the potential to be a powerful offensive unit aswell as a alien tool of terror.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't think many teams would go for an Onos to knock about in a few primary corridors to keep the marines out when the marines can just by pass it down a secondary or even phase gate past it. The aliens would lose a player if that happened. I think a Fade would be a better option as they can do what ever they like and have much better team benefits.
Vents, speed and ambushes, all of which are conditional to the map, just like before marines get HA/JP. Terrain is just as much a part of the battle in large rooms and hallways as it is in small ones.
Not that I want to moderate, but your gameplay criticisms don't really belong in this thread, anyway. It's for screenshots.
I know, it's a hallway. Thrilling. :)
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Also, lol, yes, i realize that one of the props isnt attached to the walls in the pics. I fixed it, haha.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nice lighting there.
The onos isn't really designed to go lurking around the hallways keeping the marines out (that's where the other classes excel), it's moreso designed for an all-out assault on marine positions (at least that's my feeling from NS1). As such, as long as the onos has access to all the major points of the map (tech points, res nodes, important rooms) I don't see an issue with onos-unfriendly areas. I do think however that secondary routes should provide different options to players, and that having secondary routes that parallel primary ones is rather silly. I would un-derail this thread, but sadly I don't have the editor to play with yet :( .
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There will hopefully be lava underneath the room. I improvised some fun lighting. Also, the floor is double-sided, which is why the lights are picking up the shape of the grates. I built the nooks (right wall, and far corner) into the wall with vent pieces. With the banked walls, Skulks running from marines can "cut the corner". The vents on the opposite corners don't leave the room. They just provide a more secure way to cut the corner. The banked walls are a bit taller than marines, so they won't get too many easy shots at waiting skulks. Also note that this room has a very high ceiling. Lerks, anyone?
Also, Giant, to emulate the lava lighting, create 3 lights, Red Orange Red, about an inch apart, and set values to 200 distance 60 intensity. That's how I emulated my glow, feel free to experiment beyond that.
Feedback welcome, the loop is done, aww yeah, more hallways.
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By the way, great mapping.
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Theme for this map is an underground garbage disposal facility.. nowhere to dump rubbish in the future except down deep holes into the center of the world, right? :P
this RP is part of the AS.. the origin of the outbreak.
don't fall down the hole!
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This joke makes no sense on several critical levels.
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Getting closer to something this time.
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This is actually only a peice of a level I am working on so it isn't as nicely decorated or lit since I still need to have it tested before it gets the lovely touches. This is also why some of it may seem plain is incase something needs to be changed it is a lot easier to change. The final version will look much nicer.
I'm also not very good at final lighting so if anyone would like to offer help when I'm done building the rest and it has been tested that would be great :)
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While the lighting is consistently good, all of it thus far seems to be the same colour.
Keep the softness and quality of the light placement, but change the colour for different areas, and maybe have a couple of harsh bright spots dotted around.
And maybe use something other than muddy colours, I hate beige, that's just personal preference though.
I do agree with Chris about adding color variety, but I do defend the color beige since it adds a really nice mining/industrial feel to the area being lit.