Admin Mod

Narfwak

<div class="IPBDescription">What exactly is the issue?</div> I've heard multiple complaints that admin mod does not work properly with Natural Selection. I have also heard many explainations for this, as well as possible fixes. What exactly is the problem? I don't want to try to install admin mod on my server untill I'm sure it won't kill it.

EvilGrin

When NS resets the game for end/start of round. It removes entities that admin mod has created for its own purposes. When people join AM tries to access these entites. *Bang* Server crashes.

Misfire

i tried running admin mod but it just keeps pausing then restarting with no crash in hlds.

i seen other servers run it but i don't know how they do it.

HoPPeR

Here's my recipie for AdminMod on a linux (slackware) DS:

Using AM 2.50.50 and just <b>deactivated</b> following plugins:
<ul>
<li>plugin_CS
<li>plugin_TFC
<li>plugin_retribution
<li>plugin_spawn
</ul>

Now everything works just fine.
A few posts below it states that plugin_retribution is b0rked for NS, and that was also the cause for my servers to crash in intervals from 1 minute to 3 hours.

Taking it out solved the problem <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

GoleX

Retribution works fine enough for me oddly... can bury people and slay em etc.

cracker_jackmac

<!--QuoteBegin--GoleX+Nov 13 2002, 06:50 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (GoleX @ Nov 13 2002, 06:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Retribution works fine enough for me oddly... can bury people and slay em etc.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> I can't ::sniff::

Narfwak

Any solutions for a win32 server (yes, I know, I suck)? I sadly don't know anything about linux and couldn't set up a linux server even if I did.

I heard that the problem was with metamod also, that it used different names for players, entities, etc. than NS did. Is this the case?

GoleX

Adminmod/Metamod break Win32 servers, so avoid them till a new Metamod version comes out.

Cracker are you using a Linux server too? Weird how mine works.

xypher

I'm having a huge problem trying to get Admin-Mod working with my ns server. After many, many reinstalls, searches for how-to's, and everything else, it still won't work. It continues to crash after a map change. No matter what..

Is this just an issue that Ns has with Metamod and is fixing with the new patch?

Oh, and ANY help or how-to's anyone could provide would be appreciated.

cracker_jackmac

<!--QuoteBegin--GoleX+Nov 13 2002, 10:50 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (GoleX @ Nov 13 2002, 10:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Adminmod/Metamod break Win32 servers, so avoid them till a new Metamod version comes out.

Cracker are you using a Linux server too? Weird how mine works.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But of course <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> I have a hard time believing ppl run DS on win32 still. hehehe.

But yeah, i tried to slay someone and *poof* server crash.

I have other plugins running but redeption is rarely needed anyway so i don't miss it that much i can just putt someone to the ready room using that rdyroom plugin (thanks again!)

GoleX

<!--QuoteBegin--cracker jackmac+Nov 13 2002, 11:53 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (cracker jackmac @ Nov 13 2002, 11:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--GoleX+Nov 13 2002, 10:50 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (GoleX @ Nov 13 2002, 10:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Adminmod/Metamod break Win32 servers, so avoid them till a new Metamod version comes out.

Cracker are you using a Linux server too? Weird how mine works.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But of course <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> I have a hard time believing ppl run DS on win32 still. hehehe.

But yeah, i tried to slay someone and *poof* server crash.

I have other plugins running but redeption is rarely needed anyway so i don't miss it that much i can just putt someone to the ready room using that rdyroom plugin (thanks again!)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You don't have the FX turned on do you (the explosions etc. when you slay someone... its an option in the config)?

Cos that may be the cause, I turned those off right away before anything.

DarkSpawn

Just to clarify. Adminmod does not work at all on a dedicated W32 server, at this time. There the problem EvilGrin posted is the issue. For some reason this does not appear to be a problem on Linux servers. Metamod works fine with the dedicated W32 server. I am running metamod and clanmod on my ded W32 server, and it works just fine.

EvilGrin

yep. you people with win32 stick <a href='http://www.unitedadmins.com/ClanMod.aspx' target='_blank'>Clanmod</a> on. Check out the <a href='http://forums.unitedadmins.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=134' target='_blank'>NS forums @ United admins</a> too. It has details on how to tweak CM to work correctly with NS.

Paegus

hmm i'm runnign linux mdk 9.0 and the only adminmod plugins enables are antiflood, base and chat.
pretty much anything that can be turned off is.
Here's what happens every single time:
<!--c1--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'><!--ec1-->admin_command admin_version
L 11/13/2002 - 02:34:13: [ADMIN] Loading users from file 'addons/adminmod/config/users.ini'
L 11/13/2002 - 02:34:13: [ADMIN] Loaded 4 users
L 11/13/2002 - 02:34:13: [ADMIN] Loading vault records from file 'addons/adminmod/config/vault.ini'
L 11/13/2002 - 02:34:13: [ADMIN] WARNING: File 'addons/adminmod/config/vault.ini' seems to be empty (length 0).
L 11/13/2002 - 02:34:13: [ADMIN] Loaded 0 vault records
L 11/13/2002 - 02:34:13: [ADMIN] Loading plugins from file 'addons/adminmod/config/plugin.ini'
L 11/13/2002 - 02:34:13: [ADMIN] Loaded 3 plugins
L 11/13/2002 - 02:34:13: [ADMIN] Plugins loaded successfully.
L 11/13/2002 - 02:34:13: Admin Mod version 2.50.50 (MM)
L 11/13/2002 - 02:34:13: * Plugin # 1: Admin Anti-Flood Plugin (v. 2.51)
L 11/13/2002 - 02:34:13:   Auto kicks flooders
L 11/13/2002 - 02:34:13: * Plugin # 2: Admin Base Plugin (v. 2.51.00)
L 11/13/2002 - 02:34:13:   Basic Admin Mod commands.
L 11/13/2002 - 02:34:13: * Plugin # 3: Admin Chat Plugin (v. 2.50.2)
L 11/13/2002 - 02:34:13:   Commands for responding to chat.
./hlds_run: line 83:  3961 Segmentation fault      (core dumped) $HL $*
Error while mapping shared library sections:
/lib/libNoVersion.so.1: No such file or directory.
Error while reading shared library symbols:
/lib/libNoVersion.so.1: No such file or directory.
debug.cmds:1: Error in sourced command file:
Cannot access memory at address 0xbffff020
email debug.log to sdk@valvesoftware.com
Wed Nov 13 02:34:15 PST 2002: Server Died
 
[hlds@vaulter hlds_l]$<!--c2--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--ec2-->
i agree with the <b>/lib/libNoVersion.so.1: No such file or directory.</b> i couldn't find it either.

i got amx working fine... after the 0.61 update, so i guess i'll use that for now.. but i'd kidna lik eto get all my adminmod stuff working

Phalck

I run RedHat Linux 8 with the latest OFFICIAL hlds server not released betas, the latest available clanmod NOT THE BETA, and the latest Adminmod. It all works like a charm. I even have all the adminmod plugins enabled that are default. Mind that I ran the provided adminmod install-script on a new clean hlds setup choosing the ns option during the installation. I will however turn off a few plugins after reading this post, for functionality reasons more than anything.

Have you guys followed the Vadakill tutorial for Adminmod? Check it out here: <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=8&t=10309' target='_blank'>hlds/ns Tutorials</a>

Smellslikefeces

I'm running AdminMod on my win32 server, or sort of. I can get all of the plugins to work but NONE of the admin mod functions work. It doens't recognize any of they and I still have to rcon into the game. However winHL booster works fine? Weird.

Necro

next question, why does a normal ns server with the "normal" ns cpu usage of 45% go to 60% when running adminmod?

cracker_jackmac

<!--QuoteBegin--Necro-+Nov 13 2002, 11:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Necro- @ Nov 13 2002, 11:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->next question, why does a normal ns server with the "normal" ns cpu usage of 45% go to 60% when running adminmod?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
adminmod has alot more overhead, but i added pingbooster and it helped with that. My CPU is always 40-93% i can't get it to go above 93 but those damn marine turrets and kharaa onos really do a # on my server CPU. I even had a crash once because of onos/turrets.

GoleX

Hmm, I might drop Adminmod then... my main goal is lower pings so I'll try that. I already have pingbooster running etc.

Also does Halfd add any major overhead?

Paegus

HalfD is very low overhead, in my experience.
It will only use up bandwidth if you remotely connected and opt to receive the console text.
My server is right here though, so i'm not to worried about that.

Edit: I still cant get AdminMod working. tried a fresh install and everything.. get that same seg fault. but AMX works quite nicely, with only slight tweakage.

Necro

is it only adminmod that raises the % or is it metamod also? cause my server is on a machine with 2 servers...so i'm kinda limited to 50%

Hukka

<!--QuoteBegin--Necro-+Nov 14 2002, 04:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Necro- @ Nov 14 2002, 04:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->is it only adminmod that raises the % or is it metamod also? cause my server is on a machine with 2 servers...so i'm kinda limited to 50%<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Have you got your server? Could you tell me your server ip? in irc

Adminmod rises pings and takes some CPU too..

Amindmod nostaa pingejä sekä viee koneelta tehoa ainakin 10% ellei enemmän.

DarkSpawn

<!--QuoteBegin--Hukka+Nov 15 2002, 01:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hukka @ Nov 15 2002, 01:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Amindmod nostaa pingejä sekä viee koneelta tehoa ainakin 10% ellei enemmän.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Indeed...<!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

Necro

<!--QuoteBegin--DarkSpawn+Nov 15 2002, 04:37 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkSpawn @ Nov 15 2002, 04:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--Hukka+Nov 15 2002, 01:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hukka @ Nov 15 2002, 01:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Amindmod nostaa pingejä sekä viee koneelta tehoa ainakin 10% ellei enemmän.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Indeed...<!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
heh, he changed it to english D:

hukka you'll be the first one to know <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

Narfwak

OK, metamod is definatly not the problem, as I can get that to work fine. However, when I installed Clanmod, I couldn't access any of the admin functions, or any Clanmod functions for that matter. Eh?

Also, seperate question - does HLGuard work with NS, and would there be a point to installing it even if it did?

SuicideDog

well I use both clanmod and adminmod.. both work great on my linux server.. I like the interface better in clanmod.. and use adminmod for the plugins <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> I just setup custom menus in clanmod to execute my adminmod stuff <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

Necro

<!--QuoteBegin--SuicideDog+Nov 15 2002, 12:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SuicideDog @ Nov 15 2002, 12:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->well I use both clanmod and adminmod.. both work great on my linux server.. I like the interface better in clanmod.. and use adminmod for the plugins <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> I just setup custom menus in clanmod to execute my adminmod stuff <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
what about cpu usgae...how much did it go up from before admin/clanmod to after?

SuicideDog

well to tell you the truth.. I don't know.. but I do know this.. unless it doubles the utilization on the cpu.. I'm going to use them.. I can't live with out them (nor can my admins).. I run a no swearing no whinning no llamas server and when I'm on playing it's easier to quickly use the clanmod menu to slap/kick/ban to eliviate any problem childs and then get back on with my play..

I went on a rant and decided to make a new post in the main .. you can find it here:

<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=8&t=11404' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...=ST&f=8&t=11404</a>

GoleX

Alright when I get around to it I'll be removing Adminmod from my server to see if it improves anything to the point that it is noticable (I'd rather have my nifty commands though)

I'll let you know how it goes.

HoPPeR

I run AdminMod on one server and ClanMod (latest ns-special beta) on my other. I see that ClanMod uses a bit less CPU.

But I also have a problem with ClanMod, whenever I have activated an information menu, where there is an old-style popupwindow in the middle of the screen (eg. list players, list admins, ...), I'm afterwards not able to open the ns-popupmenu anymore, and in the commandconsole I have no mousecursor and no items there. I don't even have the logoutkey in the upper right corner. Have to rejoin the server to get it to work again but as soon as I use the specific ClanMod menu again, the tragedy begins over and over <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->

Any ideas on that?

STELTH

Guys, I got Admin Mod on my computer working just fine, but there was a strange problem where after a few minutes, the server console would just disapear and the server would die. I couldn't figure out what was causing it, so I went to the Admin Mod forums and I posted my query. Here's the direct quote from one of the makers of Admin Mod:

<a href='http://www.ozforums.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=490266' target='_blank'>Admin Mod Response</a>

Hopefully that will help you guys out for now. Note that this might only apply to Win32 servers and not Linux servers. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->