<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->There is no such thing as a forced compromise. They have imposed their will on them through force.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> True, but besides the point. I've usually tried to refer to it as the Compromise to indicate this.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If you don't get the difference between a forced change from a 3rd party and a natural evolution then I am not sure what to say. I mean, is maturing as a person the same as some one forcing you to think a different way? Are gradual changes in nature over generations the same as an entity instantly modifying who you are on a fundamental level?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Evolution is a processes forced by outside influence. Maturation is a process forced by outside influence (and nature, but as mentioned nature is forced by outside influence).
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Changing something does not necessarily destroy it, however the nature of the change is such that the species are no longer what they were on a fundamental level after the changes.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> You are a fundamentally different person than you were as a child, but you believe that this change has not destroyed you. Why? You are fundamentally different, this difference was driven by outside factors (see above), but it is considered ok to you.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->One of the interesting thigns is that the only species that would not be destroyed woudl be the supperhappies as this type of change seems to BE part of their fundamental makeup.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't see where you're getting that. This kind of change was not part of their nature. Their society had the ability to remove pain and suffering from themselves and they did, the same way we would remove disease if we could. The same way the humans in the story removed death, and the Confessor's violence and self destruction. Change wasn't part of their nature any more than it was part of ours, but they loved all sentience and were willing to change themselves in the only way they could accept in order to bring us all together and minimize our suffering.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Sorry, I was talking about individuality on the species level, somethign that the superhappies very specifically don't seem to appreciate (demonstrated by their desire to change).<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't think that is necessarily the case. They want to change us to end our suffering, but are not making us into them. We'd still be human, just without embarrassment or pain or romantic troubles. And we'd eat babies. The babyeaters would still be babyeaters, just without embarrassment, pain, or romantic troubles, and their babies would not achieve sentience until they survive the hunt. Each species changes a relatively minor part of itself. In order to end our suffering, they are willing to change themselves, the same way we were willing to commit the horrific act of genocide.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I don't think they ever even proposed to compromise to the babyeaters, I think their intention was to impose it from the get go.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Unlikely, I think, because they were powerful enough to not have needed to propose the Compromise to us. The proposed the Compromise because if we accepted they wouldn't have to kill a bunch of us, the suffering would be minimized. I'm certain they would have proposed the Compromise to the babyeaters for the same reason.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->also, I don't think stomaching would be an issue as it would be a basic part of your nature. You would need (and I assume want) to eat babies.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> True, but the idea of becoming someone who would eat babies and enjoy it is understandably horrific to some people. It is not surprising that they would commit suicide rather than change.
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True, but besides the point. I've usually tried to refer to it as the Compromise to indicate this.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If you don't get the difference between a forced change from a 3rd party and a natural evolution then I am not sure what to say. I mean, is maturing as a person the same as some one forcing you to think a different way? Are gradual changes in nature over generations the same as an entity instantly modifying who you are on a fundamental level?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Evolution is a processes forced by outside influence. Maturation is a process forced by outside influence (and nature, but as mentioned nature is forced by outside influence).
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Changing something does not necessarily destroy it, however the nature of the change is such that the species are no longer what they were on a fundamental level after the changes.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You are a fundamentally different person than you were as a child, but you believe that this change has not destroyed you. Why? You are fundamentally different, this difference was driven by outside factors (see above), but it is considered ok to you.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->One of the interesting thigns is that the only species that would not be destroyed woudl be the supperhappies as this type of change seems to BE part of their fundamental makeup.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't see where you're getting that. This kind of change was not part of their nature. Their society had the ability to remove pain and suffering from themselves and they did, the same way we would remove disease if we could. The same way the humans in the story removed death, and the Confessor's violence and self destruction. Change wasn't part of their nature any more than it was part of ours, but they loved all sentience and were willing to change themselves in the only way they could accept in order to bring us all together and minimize our suffering.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Sorry, I was talking about individuality on the species level, somethign that the superhappies very specifically don't seem to appreciate (demonstrated by their desire to change).<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't think that is necessarily the case. They want to change us to end our suffering, but are not making us into them. We'd still be human, just without embarrassment or pain or romantic troubles. And we'd eat babies. The babyeaters would still be babyeaters, just without embarrassment, pain, or romantic troubles, and their babies would not achieve sentience until they survive the hunt. Each species changes a relatively minor part of itself. In order to end our suffering, they are willing to change themselves, the same way we were willing to commit the horrific act of genocide.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I don't think they ever even proposed to compromise to the babyeaters, I think their intention was to impose it from the get go.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Unlikely, I think, because they were powerful enough to not have needed to propose the Compromise to us. The proposed the Compromise because if we accepted they wouldn't have to kill a bunch of us, the suffering would be minimized. I'm certain they would have proposed the Compromise to the babyeaters for the same reason.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->also, I don't think stomaching would be an issue as it would be a basic part of your nature. You would need (and I assume want) to eat babies.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
True, but the idea of becoming someone who would eat babies and enjoy it is understandably horrific to some people. It is not surprising that they would commit suicide rather than change.