A bit more creative weapon ideas.
Killer Ricochet
Join Date: 2008-12-03 Member: 65639Members
Join Date: 2008-12-03 Member: 65639Members
I've an idea in another topic. Two, actually:
Holograms / Netgun (both to marines)
Ok, here it go:
Hologram it's a kind of 5 slot gun (like mines and granades) that must be researched and then send by commander. Like he/she would do with a mine/welder. So, let's say, you want to explore a dangerous place. Then someone from squad uses hologram. It generates a "ghost player", clone of who used (same weapon, addons, armor type, etc.). So a jetpacker hologram would be more agile than a heavy armor hologram. 1 seconds after deploying, hologram gets opaque.
You control the hologram as yourself. You can walk, jump, crouch, switch weapon... And you see from holograms point of view (so if you're playing alone with the hologram, a skulk could bite you). Hologram has, let's say, 12 seconds of lifespan (to someone protected in base just don't get a hologram and investigate each hive spot).Since it's opaque, aliens may confund it with a truth marine and attack (what won't do anything). If marine press fire, the hologram is shut down before the 12 seconds time. Ah, and a hologram can show alien locations in map, but not structures (because of <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/siege.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::siege::" border="0" alt="siege.gif" /> ). It has usefull teamworking aplications (in combat mode would be pratically useless).
Netgun can't be a primary weapon so will be a weapon add-on or a 5 slot gun.
It has one use charge (perhaps more?), so once used, your commander must buy another one. When you use it, you lauches a net that works similar to a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_gun" target="_blank">true-life netgun</a>. If it hits a wall/floor/ceiling, it will simple attach to it and work like an armed trap. It's smart so doesn't hurt same team marines (MvM) who touches it. If you shot in some place like a small door, a corner or a vent entrance, it will block it (if a marine neeeds to pass by there, it will need use a welder).
But if hits an alien... It will entangle it (incase of it was placed as trap, on alien-walk the web jumps and entangle it), and the net will become actived, a.k.a. eletrified. While eletrified (15 seconds effect) it would cause 2 direct health damage per second (so 6 marines could cause 180 damage on a onus shoting at same time). While eletrified, marines and commander would be able to see them on map (and cloak would be useless to them).
While trapped, eletrified or not, aliens would have diferent effects (not cumulative):
Skulks would lose some walk speed, be incapable to scale walls and shorter leap range.
Gorge would move as usual, since it's very robust.
Lerks would be unable to fly.
Fade would great lose walking speed (they blink, not great problem) and slower swipe rate of fire.
Onos... nothing...
Marines too, incase of MvM:
Light armor would lose movement/jump speed.
Jetpacker would lose walking speed and jet pack propulsion would be interminent.
Heavy armor would be unable to jump/crouch. But no movement speed lose.
To get free, aliens would need:
1. Of a gorge using healing spray/bile bomb twice on them.
2. Touching dynamic infestation.
3. Using first slot weapon 10 times (incase of skulks, lerks and fades).
And humans, a welder friend.
Armed traps can be disabled with explosives or a welder (through welding down an enemy trap would require caution). Aliens would require 2 bilebombs, 2 acid rockets (3rd hive ability, there humans usually lost) or umbra (6 seconds of continuous umbra) to give false positive and disarm the trap. Or just a corageous Onos with a gorge making companion to disarm each trap.
Holograms / Netgun (both to marines)
Ok, here it go:
Hologram it's a kind of 5 slot gun (like mines and granades) that must be researched and then send by commander. Like he/she would do with a mine/welder. So, let's say, you want to explore a dangerous place. Then someone from squad uses hologram. It generates a "ghost player", clone of who used (same weapon, addons, armor type, etc.). So a jetpacker hologram would be more agile than a heavy armor hologram. 1 seconds after deploying, hologram gets opaque.
You control the hologram as yourself. You can walk, jump, crouch, switch weapon... And you see from holograms point of view (so if you're playing alone with the hologram, a skulk could bite you). Hologram has, let's say, 12 seconds of lifespan (to someone protected in base just don't get a hologram and investigate each hive spot).Since it's opaque, aliens may confund it with a truth marine and attack (what won't do anything). If marine press fire, the hologram is shut down before the 12 seconds time. Ah, and a hologram can show alien locations in map, but not structures (because of <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/siege.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::siege::" border="0" alt="siege.gif" /> ). It has usefull teamworking aplications (in combat mode would be pratically useless).
Netgun can't be a primary weapon so will be a weapon add-on or a 5 slot gun.
It has one use charge (perhaps more?), so once used, your commander must buy another one. When you use it, you lauches a net that works similar to a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_gun" target="_blank">true-life netgun</a>. If it hits a wall/floor/ceiling, it will simple attach to it and work like an armed trap. It's smart so doesn't hurt same team marines (MvM) who touches it. If you shot in some place like a small door, a corner or a vent entrance, it will block it (if a marine neeeds to pass by there, it will need use a welder).
But if hits an alien... It will entangle it (incase of it was placed as trap, on alien-walk the web jumps and entangle it), and the net will become actived, a.k.a. eletrified. While eletrified (15 seconds effect) it would cause 2 direct health damage per second (so 6 marines could cause 180 damage on a onus shoting at same time). While eletrified, marines and commander would be able to see them on map (and cloak would be useless to them).
While trapped, eletrified or not, aliens would have diferent effects (not cumulative):
Skulks would lose some walk speed, be incapable to scale walls and shorter leap range.
Gorge would move as usual, since it's very robust.
Lerks would be unable to fly.
Fade would great lose walking speed (they blink, not great problem) and slower swipe rate of fire.
Onos... nothing...
Marines too, incase of MvM:
Light armor would lose movement/jump speed.
Jetpacker would lose walking speed and jet pack propulsion would be interminent.
Heavy armor would be unable to jump/crouch. But no movement speed lose.
To get free, aliens would need:
1. Of a gorge using healing spray/bile bomb twice on them.
2. Touching dynamic infestation.
3. Using first slot weapon 10 times (incase of skulks, lerks and fades).
And humans, a welder friend.
Armed traps can be disabled with explosives or a welder (through welding down an enemy trap would require caution). Aliens would require 2 bilebombs, 2 acid rockets (3rd hive ability, there humans usually lost) or umbra (6 seconds of continuous umbra) to give false positive and disarm the trap. Or just a corageous Onos with a gorge making companion to disarm each trap.
Comments
Maybe make the hologram appear like 5-10 meters in-front (adjustable distance maybe?) the player who is casting it, playing the running/standing animation, shooting, or whatever the player is doing atm, it wouldn't be as good for scouting but would lure any aliens hiding around the corner and give the marine a clear shot at the alien attacking the hologram.
What would be the functional difference between fragmentation and high explosive?
As for hologram, it's a neat idea, but why not use a scanner sweep or a weldbot?
The same as it is in the real world? High Explosive for the concussive explosion to do a large amount of damage in a relatively small area or field of damage, and Fragmentation to "pepper" your target also the surrounding area with shrapnel doing massive area effect damage in a relatively large area or field of damage.
Both could be functional as in HE (High Explosive) for vent systems and Frag (Fragmentation) for open areas/rooms/Hive areas.
Maybe make the hologram appear like 5-10 meters in-front (adjustable distance maybe?) the player who is casting it, playing the running/standing animation, shooting, or whatever the player is doing atm, it wouldn't be as good for scouting but would lure any aliens hiding around the corner and give the marine a clear shot at the alien attacking the hologram.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's the nanites. <span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'>explains anything lol</span>
If the holograms works better this way you are suggesting, instead, the player sets a waypoint in minimap and sends the hologram to walk that way.
<!--quoteo(post=1695439:date=Dec 7 2008, 02:57 AM:name=locallyunscene)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(locallyunscene @ Dec 7 2008, 02:57 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1695439"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I don't like the idea of giving every marine web. it works on the gorge because the gorge isn't a fighting lifeform.
As for hologram, it's a neat idea, but why not use a scanner sweep or a weldbot?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I didn't want to mean everyone starts with one, this would make skulks useless. But you would have to research "advanced devices research" or build an advanced armoury to buy it like mines or welders.
And I think holograms would be viable because they should be cheaper than scanner sweep (through limited to where the squad is) and can be used as baits. And weldbots haven't low hp?
Both could be functional as in HE (High Explosive) for vent systems and Frag (Fragmentation) for open areas/rooms/Hive areas.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sounds like a very solid idea.
But other types could be thought of....brainstorming is a nice thing....any1 care to try?
It isn't truly self-guiding, it is merely course correcting. Most of the guidance has to be done by the player before the grenade leaves his hand. I still think that it's a great idea.
When making some ideas, give ideas of implementation, where they researched?
HE Granades (based on your idea).
It's a commander "skill/magic/abilitie". Commanders can activate it in any armory after researching granades, and while activated, instead of default granades, everyone comes with HEs. Every marine spam will cost 5-10 res if this abilitie is enabled.
Nanite Granades are researched at armory and must be bought by commanders. Where a marine uses it spams a light blue uniform fog that slowly fixes structures and marine armor in range, like reversed spore (no cumulative). A single one maybe costs 10-15 res.
Dart gun Add-On, I dunno where addons are build and what price should be this one, but... Basically it's a para to marines. Only comander sees <u>where</u> the alien is (but can't say what alien is), and must be an active observatory in map. Structures can't be simply tagged to be detected by sieges. Aliens/structures must keep in DI for 1 minute to unparasite themselves or must be sprayed once by gorges. Hives are immune.
researched: where ever
I think only HEs get this upgrade
When it thrown it has extra speed and Might not have a timer in-just keeps rolling till it hits something.
good for reaching deep into vents and around corners
I really, REALLY liked that Nanite Grenade idea, very original, very nice. I can see how welding would be a better direct healing, but this could be good for hive assaults, or defence.