Multi-surface Chambers

Nicksaerian

A few servers I've played on have had a mod that allowed chambers to be built on walls and ceilings. I really enjoyed being able to hide my chambers elsewhere, out of reach of grenade launchers. Will this idea be considered for NS2?

ryknow69

Probably so, since Dynamic Infestation will grow on ceilings


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Yes, I loved the idea, and with my version of the webhook, You could expect to see OC's on ceilings shooting down on marines.

M1kk3l109

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then the gorge must be able to walk on walls and ceilings, atleast when touching the dynamic infestation

NeXuZ

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now that should be something..... ....interesting... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/pudgy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::gorge::" border="0" alt="pudgy.gif" />

slayer20

I don't think gorges should be able to walk on ceilings...

I think Gorges would have to use DI to their advantage and try to make stairs out of it or use other chambers and place them against the wall to reach the ceiling.

I think the idea was brought up that Gorges would have an attack that would help the growth of DI.

killkrazy

Instead of the chambers just dropping out of a Gorge's mouth, the gorge could "spit" a spore of some kind into the DI, this would start the growth of a chamber, and if he is close enough, he can help to build it.

this means he could spit/spore the ceiling, which would hide the chamber, or give it better coverage, but mean it takes longer to build... which is a fair tradeoff <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />

EmpV

Maybe Gorges could walk up walls that have DI on them, but not normal walls.
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ryknow69

no, gorge too fat and bad tracktion.

Lord Schnitzel

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Spider-Gorge uses his webs to swing from walls and ceillings <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />

Kaine

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this means he could spit/spore the ceiling, which would hide the chamber, or give it better coverage, but mean it takes longer to build... which is a fair tradeoff <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I quite like the idea of kharaa buildings being "seeded" in the infestation. Plant a seed and watch it grow kind of thing, with the option of pouring extra resources and/or time into a structure to make it grow. Also allow the builder unit(s) (I'm hoping the kharaa will have moved on from their original NS classes) lay down an outlying area of infestation (helped along by some incidental organic materials* maybe) for building outposts. Hive locations will be in places conducive to fast bacterial growth (or maybe have hives anywhere there's room... why not? Maybe the Kharaa have evolved away from needing a centralised spawn)


Overall I think making Kharaa structural placement and bases/hives much more dynamic and interesting would be a great step forward, giving the game a bit more variety and depth (both literal and gameplay).

De-centralising Kharaa bases would be the ultimate for me, along with nice big maps that let them play fast and loose with their "base". This would be the complete analogue of TSA structure and base dynamics. TSA must prioritise area control instead of turtling and amassing an unstoppable force (ala Heavy Train) to assault an entrenched enemy position. The marines would be forced to stretch their resources ever more thin as they expanded across a map. Kharaa strategy would then become one of stealth and speed. Feinting attacks on TSA territory to draw atttention while sneaking an infiltration force into the TSA base to destroy key upgrades and defensive assets. Attack force draws bulk of marines into battle while infiltration force quickly disables any phase gates and defences... anyone see where I'm going with this? I want a Kharaa with decoy bases, hit & run tactics, base harassment, denial of resources... real guerrilla stuff. Way O/T now so I'll shut up.

*Read: Marine corpses.

M00_cow

Well there were mods for both things mentioned in this thread. The problem with the chambers sticking anywhere was that it always broke servers and caused many, many resets, and gorge web is super fun. lol. totally make gorge web a part of ns 2.

I remember those circular doorways, and blocking them completely off with turrets on all angles

Nasdero

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this means he could spit/spore the ceiling, which would hide the chamber, or give it better coverage, but mean it takes longer to build... which is a fair tradeoff <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


this is a great idea !!! it would solve 2 problems

1. a Gorge is dropping chambers from nowhere ^^ so with this you could really make an animation to see how the chamber rises and grows

2. a Gorge dont has to be able to walk walls but thid later on


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ok now to a wall walking Gorge i could imagine that players that like to play Gorges like this idea but for me it would ruin gamplay to see such a fat piece of alien walking up the ceiling !!!! even in DI

remeber DI NOT = Zero G so what should this look like a Gorge is smiling from the woll with his unconfident body fighting gravity <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" /> everything hangs down as on a cheap porn ###### ??


no way, spitting spores is much better , why not giving the Gorge some wings that he could fly around and bomb chambers out of the air ? but his wings must be smaller than his body to keep the crazy look and paint them pink with glitter on it !!

Hawkeye

Agree with Nasdero. It makes more sense that a gorge would spit up what would be a sort of cancerous growth that would expand until it took the shape of the chamber being built. You'd ask yourself, "Why would you ever plant the chamber on the floor then?"

Two reasons:

One, gorge may be able to spit a chamber onto the ceiling, but that shouldn't imply that it would let the gorge actually build it. It'd build itself slowly, so long as there is DI where the growth lands. So it'd be advantageous to build it on the floor to be able to build it faster.

Two, it serves as a physical obstacle for the marines to navigate. Otherwise you risk that the marines would just run past a room filled with offense chambers on the ceilings.


Gorges walking on ceiling = *laff*

At least not the current model of gorge.

spellman23

Agree with Hawkeye and Nasdero. Good job noticing the drawback to building on the ceiling.

Maybe something to consider would be a ghost image of the final chamber so the Gorges can see how it will grow and what it will take up. Similar to in TF2 you see the blueprint while placing.

locallyunscene

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Maybe something to consider would be a ghost image of the final chamber so the Gorges can see how it will grow and what it will take up. Similar to in TF2 you see the blueprint while placing.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
A similar conclusion was reached in <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?showtopic=104928&st=0&start=0" target="_blank">the gorge-webhook thread</a>. I suggested the spore be parabolic like bilebomb so that tall rooms wouldn't have useless chambers on them.

ozbirdboy

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this means he could spit/spore the ceiling, which would hide the chamber, or give it better coverage, but mean it takes longer to build... which is a fair tradeoff<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Yeah i like this idea alot also, seems to make more sense rather then a tower spawning out of nowhere. Maybe something similar could be implemented for res nodes or even hives?