The Energy Non-Crisis

DrfuzzyDrfuzzy FEW... MORE.... INCHES... Join Date: 2003-09-21 Member: 21094Members
<div class="IPBDescription">It makes sense....</div><a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147" target="_blank">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147</a>

Watch it all, it really starts to come together half way through. Good speaker :o

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  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    I got as far as the bit about him being on the radio show and his response to "So, what are your sources?" and his response being "Well, I can't tell you because they would kill him".

    Sorry, but totally unverifiable sources makes this not worth wasting my time on.
  • juicejuice Join Date: 2003-01-28 Member: 12886Members, Constellation
    edited June 2008
    My friend says the same thing about oil. He is an analyst for an oil trading firm.

    Sometimes there are real "conspiracies". When there is a case of unverified sources, I keep it in mind and reserve my judgement, rather than forget about it. In fact, if you're truly skeptical, almost all information you receive would have to be classified as unverified. It's more difficult to leave many different possibilities jumbling around in your head, I'll admit. But if you don't you'll end up with Enrons, Tuskegees, and Iran-Contras coming out of your ears.

    If you watch further, it becomes more compelling when he talks about his senator friend and that everything in his book is from first-hand experience. Of course I'm not endorsing everything he has to say. But from my first-hand knowledge, (Er, second-hand? He's a good friend.) the energy non-crisis is quite possibly true.

    Now I'll go watch the rest of it. If you don't have time for things like this, I don't blame you, there's a lot of garbage, and wading through it is not for everyone. But I have the day off so I'll take the hit.
  • moultanomoultano Creator of ns_shiva. Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10806Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts
    A guy who claimed to have "first hand knowledge" spoke at CMU in the run up to the Iraq war, and managed to convince me using his "first hand knowledge" that we'd be greeted as liberators, with rose petals in fact, and that the war would be over in three months. That doesn't really speak to the truth of what this guy is saying, but regardless, I'm inoculated now.
  • remiremi remedy [blu.knight] Join Date: 2003-11-18 Member: 23112Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester
    I wish I could watch the rest of this now. I'll have to finish watching it tonight after my test. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />

    Time to study for now.
  • aNytiMeaNytiMe Join Date: 2008-03-31 Member: 64007Members, Constellation
    I got as far as "peak oil is a misnomer, it is an idea perpetrated by the <u>powers that be</u>" at about 1 minute.









    This guy is absolutely correct, the powers that be are clearly a single man, Vladimir Putin. He has absolute power.
  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
    My god they're controlling my toothbrush <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
  • Private_ColemanPrivate_Coleman PhD in Video Games Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7510Members
    I speak from first hand knowledge when I say that the guy in the video is spreading lies in the name of the powers that be to deceive the American public. If you don't believe me open the phone book and call anyone in Alaska and they will verify my statements.
  • [WHO]Them[WHO]Them You can call me Dave Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10593Members, Constellation
    edited June 2008
    I called my brother's uncle Bob Pantolamo in Alaska and he said the powers that be arranged a temporary alliance between TychoCelchuuu and Private_Coleman to prepare us for phase 2 of a plan known as "D.I.A.F". And here's the proof...

    TychoCelchuuu = T.C.
    Private_Coleman = P.C.
    T.C. + P.C. = T.P.

    That's right, toilet paper. Call any library in the state of Delaware and ask for an acronym arithmetic book. They'll send you one that verifies this.
  • spellman23spellman23 NS1 Theorycraft Expert Join Date: 2007-05-17 Member: 60920Members
    Interesting.

    I don't buy the gas for less than $1.50 in 12 months, though. Not only would taking advantage of those fields require more equipment to harvest the oil, there is lag time for setting up transportation and the influx of crude oil to the refineries.

    I will note that by making this open and viable, it will drive down the futures market of oil with the promise of increased supply. However, actual oil flowing into your car is probably more feasibly going to be closer to 5-10 years, if not more.

    Of course, gotta start sometime.
  • juicejuice Join Date: 2003-01-28 Member: 12886Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1681640:date=Jun 20 2008, 10:49 AM:name=Cereal_KillR)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Cereal_KillR @ Jun 20 2008, 10:49 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1681640"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->My god they're controlling my toothbrush <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Yeah, what a crazy conspiracy theory that was... $50 a barrel oil...

    you'd better hang on tight to your toothbrush.
  • locallyunscenelocallyunscene Feeder of Trolls Join Date: 2002-12-25 Member: 11528Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1693866:date=Nov 19 2008, 05:26 PM:name=juice)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(juice @ Nov 19 2008, 05:26 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1693866"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yeah, what a crazy conspiracy theory that was... $50 a barrel oil...

    you'd better hang on tight to your toothbrush.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Wow all it took was a complete crash of the economy which: dried up source of credit for oil speculation, strengthened the dollar internationally(due to us exporting less dollars, the harm to other countries caused by the crash, and also the slight fall in increased demand for oil).

    There <i>must</i> be a conspiracy behind the crash because it would be nice to believe people aren't that stupid/greedy.
  • spellman23spellman23 NS1 Theorycraft Expert Join Date: 2007-05-17 Member: 60920Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1693875:date=Nov 19 2008, 11:37 PM:name=locallyunscene)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(locallyunscene @ Nov 19 2008, 11:37 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1693875"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Wow all it took was a complete crash of the economy which: dried up source of credit for oil speculation, strengthened the dollar internationally(due to us exporting less dollars, the harm to other countries caused by the crash, and also the slight fall in increased demand for oil).

    There <i>must</i> be a conspiracy behind the crash because it would be nice to believe people aren't that stupid/greedy.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I would actually bet on people being stupid.

    And locallyunscene is right. It's not from drilling or supply and demand, it's because of the global economy backslide. It just so happens everything is devaluing so fast, it's all about who devalues less fast. And for some reason, we're managing to win on that front a bit.
  • juicejuice Join Date: 2003-01-28 Member: 12886Members, Constellation
    edited November 2008
    I would agree that the economic crash was due to market forces, not a conspiracy to collapse the market.

    However, $50 a barrel oil was the prediction. No one could imagine it, even taking it to the point of ridicule, because it was labeled a "conspiracy theory". Yet here we are. Something to think about.
  • remiremi remedy [blu.knight] Join Date: 2003-11-18 Member: 23112Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester
    <!--quoteo(post=1693895:date=Nov 19 2008, 10:27 PM:name=juice)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(juice @ Nov 19 2008, 10:27 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1693895"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->However, $50 a barrel oil was the prediction. No one could imagine it, even taking it to the point of ridicule, because it was labeled a "conspiracy theory". Yet here we are. Something to think about.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It was quite a while ago that I saw this video... What was the price of a barrel back then? Is it crazy because it's gone up or because it's gone down?
  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Isn't the entire argument irrelevant anyway? We should get off oil because it'll not tie our country into relying on foreign powers, and for the betterment of the planet.

    Frankly, I think it'd be better to listen to <a href="http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/index.jhtml?episodeId=210170" target="_blank">this guy</a>(Special Guest T. Boone Pickens, American link only, sorry folks). He actually puts a good reasoning forward as to why to get off oil regardless, even if we don't take his opinion on the idea of focusing on getting big rigs on natural gas.
  • UnderwhelmedUnderwhelmed DemoDetective #?&#33; Join Date: 2006-09-19 Member: 58026Members, Constellation
    I stopped at "nowhere near running out of oil", because it is clear that he doesn't understand wtf peak oil is. It's like the equivalent of somebody arguing against evolution by saying since there are still monkeys around, it's obviously untrue.

    All the massive, untapped oil reserves sound impressive until you realize as of 2004, the world oil consumption is over 80 million barrels a day. The absolute high end estimate of ANWR's reserves is 16 billion barrels, meaning ANWR wouldn't even last a year, assuming you could extract everything all at once (Which you can't). Other oil reserves are so difficult or even plain impossible to recover, the net energy gain from the oil goes down significantly. Oil is on the way out, barring some miraculous advances in materials science.
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1693901:date=Nov 20 2008, 05:13 AM:name=Quaunaut)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Quaunaut @ Nov 20 2008, 05:13 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1693901"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Isn't the entire argument irrelevant anyway? We should get off oil because it'll not tie our country into relying on foreign powers, and for the betterment of the planet.

    Frankly, I think it'd be better to listen to <a href="http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/index.jhtml?episodeId=210170" target="_blank">this guy</a>(Special Guest T. Boone Pickens, American link only, sorry folks). He actually puts a good reasoning forward as to why to get off oil regardless, even if we don't take his opinion on the idea of focusing on getting big rigs on natural gas.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That link worked just fine for me. And I think he's DEAD on about getting the trucks on natural gas. I don't know how it is stateside, but over here it seems like 30% of the motorway traffic is trucks. Big, gas-sucking trucks. Get THOSE converted and it's a huge step forward.
  • ZaggyZaggy NullPointerException The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-12-10 Member: 24214Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos, Subnautica Playtester
    edited November 2008
    -banks providing loans with insane risks
    -selling those loans to another bank for less than the loans are worth
    -people can't pay
    -people lose stuff
    -panic
    -? ? ?
    -crisis

    capitalism gone bad?
  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1693920:date=Nov 20 2008, 02:12 AM:name=lolfighter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lolfighter @ Nov 20 2008, 02:12 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1693920"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That link worked just fine for me. And I think he's DEAD on about getting the trucks on natural gas. I don't know how it is stateside, but over here it seems like 30% of the motorway traffic is trucks. Big, gas-sucking trucks. Get THOSE converted and it's a huge step forward.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Depends on where you are. Closer to urban areas there are lots and lots, and in certain states there are lots(even in rural parts of California there are a ton- even going through Oregon, which most would consider rural, there is a ton(so they can get to Washington), however in the midwest you don't see so many).

    Really, I could care less about a lot of the issues in terms of if were 'running out' of oil, as everyone seems to forget that while we don't get much of our oil from here at home, we still have a damn lot of it thanks to Rockefeller's belief of "Lets use up their stuff before ours." as a way of bringing down other nations.
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