<div class="IPBDescription">in Times Square NY</div>Not much information now. But apparently there was an explosion at a recruiting office at 3:45 AM in Times Square.
<!--quoteo(post=1672298:date=Mar 6 2008, 11:14 AM:name=puzl)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(puzl @ Mar 6 2008, 11:14 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1672298"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I bet it was Iran.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Who ELSE would it be?
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->In the October incident, a bomb was detonated near the Mexican consulate, shattering windows. At that time the authorities said the explosive device was similar to the ones used in a May 2005 blast at the British consulate.
In both cases, authorities were looking for a person spotted riding a bicycle in the area.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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<!--quoteo(post=1672327:date=Mar 6 2008, 01:29 PM:name=lolfighter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lolfighter @ Mar 6 2008, 01:29 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1672327"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Well, maybe they can take credit for the fact that only a little material damage was caused?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> The thing is, this guy/gal is probably just some lone crazy. I think the fact that no one was killed was by the attackers design more than anything. He/she set the bomb to go off 3AM Wednesday night which is probably the least crowded time for Times Square. If the authorities had any say about it at all, the bomb wouldn't have gone off. Period.
<!--quoteo(post=1672352:date=Mar 6 2008, 09:37 PM:name=Align)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Align @ Mar 6 2008, 09:37 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1672352"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Maybe he's a demon that feeds on peoples fear and he wanted to show people that they aren't safe despite all those countermeasures.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
True. America is safe because of all the guns everyone owns. So when someone starts shooting hundreds can shoot him back. Lets just transfer this to explosives and legalize tri-nitro-anisol for private use.
<!--quoteo(post=1672323:date=Mar 6 2008, 10:54 AM:name=locallyunscene)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(locallyunscene @ Mar 6 2008, 10:54 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1672323"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Thank god our gov't is doing such a good job protecting us with it its warrantless wiretapping program, and patriot act, and Guantanamo bay.
//end complete cynicism<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> That stuff's designed to combat large scale terrorism like the kind that occurred on 9/11, not some nutter driving up at 4 in the morning and hurling a crappily made explosive at an empty recruiting center. No wiretapping is ever going to stop that. I'm not saying I agree with one thing or the other, but you're not making any sense at all when you equate the restriction of our freedoms (which are clearly not designed to stop silly domestic crimes like this) with this incident.
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<!--quoteo(post=1672357:date=Mar 6 2008, 04:29 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Mar 6 2008, 04:29 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1672357"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->No wiretapping is ever going to stop that.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> That's kinda my point. That all that stuff is worthless.
<!--quoteo(post=1672366:date=Mar 6 2008, 05:15 PM:name=locallyunscene)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(locallyunscene @ Mar 6 2008, 05:15 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1672366"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That's kinda my point. That all that stuff is worthless.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You might as well say, "Forks are worthless because they're terrible for eating soup."
<!--quoteo(post=1672366:date=Mar 6 2008, 04:15 PM:name=locallyunscene)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(locallyunscene @ Mar 6 2008, 04:15 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1672366"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That's kinda my point. That all that stuff is worthless.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> For preventing random nutsos from throwing largely harmless bombs at abandoned buildings at 4AM? Yes. For stopping jihadists from hijacking jumbo jets and flying them into the economic and military centers of the nation in broad daylight? The idea is no.
<!--quoteo(post=1672371:date=Mar 6 2008, 06:08 PM:name=Gwahir)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Gwahir @ Mar 6 2008, 06:08 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1672371"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You might as well say, "Forks are worthless because they're terrible for eating soup."<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Eh, I kind of agree with him. All our current "Measures" are only there to give the illusion that we are doing something to stop "terrorists" (Hate using that term, sounds so sensationalist). Anybody with half a brain will still be just as able to blow ###### up as they always have been.
<!--quoteo(post=1672374:date=Mar 6 2008, 05:28 PM:name=Xyth)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Xyth @ Mar 6 2008, 05:28 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1672374"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Eh, I kind of agree with him. All our current "Measures" are only there to give the illusion that we are doing something to stop "terrorists" (Hate using that term, sounds so sensationalist). Anybody with half a brain will still be just as able to blow ###### up as they always have been.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Whether or not wiretapping stops terrorists, there is no question that the vast majority of the programs put into place after September 11th are designed to combat organized terrorism, not someone stoned out of his mind from causing minor damage to an empty space while everyone else is asleep.
<!--quoteo(post=1672377:date=Mar 6 2008, 06:58 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Mar 6 2008, 06:58 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1672377"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->not someone stoned out of his mind from causing minor damage to an empty space while everyone else is asleep.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
X_StickmanNot good enough for a custom title.Join Date: 2003-04-15Member: 15533Members, Constellation
<!--quoteo(post=1672337:date=Mar 6 2008, 07:39 PM:name=Xyth)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Xyth @ Mar 6 2008, 07:39 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1672337"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Man, it only broke a few windows? What, does nobody read the Anarchist cookbook anymore? Color me UNIMPRESSED.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think after the main batch of terrorist (and I dislike using the word terrorist now, even though it is technically appropriate) attacks (9/11, london bombings etc...), all such incidents look kinda pathetic and almost lol-worthy.
Like that supposedly organised attack in the UK a while back, which consisted of "setting a car on fire and crashing it into a bollard somewhat near an airport". I actually laughed out loud when I read about that, which I doubt was the intended effect.
<!--quoteo(post=1672454:date=Mar 7 2008, 10:37 AM:name=X_Stickman)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(X_Stickman @ Mar 7 2008, 10:37 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1672454"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think after the main batch of terrorist (and I dislike using the word terrorist now, even though it is technically appropriate) attacks (9/11, london bombings etc...), all such incidents look kinda pathetic and almost lol-worthy.
Like that supposedly organised attack in the UK a while back, which consisted of "setting a car on fire and crashing it into a bollard somewhat near an airport". I actually laughed out loud when I read about that, which I doubt was the intended effect.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You have to remember that these people have come to the conclusion that blowing themselves up along with as many passers-by as possible is going to make the world a better place as a whole. I would not expect great feats of mental agility from this kind of individual.
<!--quoteo(post=1672446:date=Mar 7 2008, 06:28 AM:name=Nil_IQ)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Nil_IQ @ Mar 7 2008, 06:28 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1672446"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Damn those militant stoners.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I guess drugs really do support terrorism?
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<!--quoteo(post=1672454:date=Mar 7 2008, 10:37 AM:name=X_Stickman)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(X_Stickman @ Mar 7 2008, 10:37 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1672454"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think after the main batch of terrorist (and I dislike using the word terrorist now, even though it is technically appropriate) attacks (9/11, london bombings etc...), all such incidents look kinda pathetic and almost lol-worthy.
Like that supposedly organised attack in the UK a while back, which consisted of "setting a car on fire and crashing it into a bollard somewhat near an airport". I actually laughed out loud when I read about that, which I doubt was the intended effect.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> yah, a number of them are rather silly and dumb (the shoe bomber any one?)
but on the flip side, you have 9/11, the London underground bombings, and other such occasions. Sure, most are rather pathetic, but it still is kinda frightening if you let your self dwell on it (specially as a NYer <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />).
Admittedly, that is why I don't dwell on it at all. I expect that we will never know what was the point of this 'attack' was, or how did it, though my suspect is some random crackpot who decided he must do this. I also don't worry about some one setting off a nuke in the middle of Manhattan, or crop-dusting us with anthrax. If it happens, it happens and I will probably die. So why worry?
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<!--quoteo(post=1672457:date=Mar 7 2008, 04:45 PM:name=Nil_IQ)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Nil_IQ @ Mar 7 2008, 04:45 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1672457"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You have to remember that these people have come to the conclusion that blowing themselves up along with as many passers-by as possible is going to make the world a better place as a whole. I would not expect great feats of mental agility from this kind of individual.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I guess it depends on your perspective. No matter how you look at it, the 9/11 attacks especially required intelligence and planning, as well as training and rehearsal. The amount of forethought put into such an attack on innocents is disturbing, but it was intelligent thought.
And being all paranoid and cynical like I am, it can't be denied that the actions that America (and the UK and other countries that I never hear about since I'm in the UK and the press here rarely bothers mentioning allied forces any more) has been goaded into taking have strengthened several "Islamic" powerbases with this whole "them against us" thing.
So from their point of view, I guess things have only gotten better.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I guess it depends on your perspective. No matter how you look at it, the 9/11 attacks especially required intelligence and planning, as well as training and rehearsal. The amount of forethought put into such an attack on innocents is disturbing, but it was intelligent thought.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Osama doesn't consider US civilians to be innocent. His reasoning is something like this: The US government is guilty of X, Y, and Z against the muslim world or whatever, and since the US is a democracy, the people have elected and continue to elect a government that continues to be guilty of X, Y, and Z. Therefor, the US citizens are just as guilty as their government.
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Who ELSE would it be?
In both cases, authorities were looking for a person spotted riding a bicycle in the area.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Awesome, the cyclist rebellion has begun!
//end complete cynicism
The thing is, this guy/gal is probably just some lone crazy. I think the fact that no one was killed was by the attackers design more than anything. He/she set the bomb to go off 3AM Wednesday night which is probably the least crowded time for Times Square. If the authorities had any say about it at all, the bomb wouldn't have gone off. Period.
True.
America is safe because of all the guns everyone owns. So when someone starts shooting hundreds can shoot him back. Lets just transfer this to explosives and legalize tri-nitro-anisol for private use.
//end complete cynicism<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That stuff's designed to combat large scale terrorism like the kind that occurred on 9/11, not some nutter driving up at 4 in the morning and hurling a crappily made explosive at an empty recruiting center. No wiretapping is ever going to stop that. I'm not saying I agree with one thing or the other, but you're not making any sense at all when you equate the restriction of our freedoms (which are clearly not designed to stop silly domestic crimes like this) with this incident.
That's kinda my point. That all that stuff is worthless.
You might as well say, "Forks are worthless because they're terrible for eating soup."
For preventing random nutsos from throwing largely harmless bombs at abandoned buildings at 4AM? Yes. For stopping jihadists from hijacking jumbo jets and flying them into the economic and military centers of the nation in broad daylight? The idea is no.
Eh, I kind of agree with him. All our current "Measures" are only there to give the illusion that we are doing something to stop "terrorists" (Hate using that term, sounds so sensationalist). Anybody with half a brain will still be just as able to blow ###### up as they always have been.
Whether or not wiretapping stops terrorists, there is no question that the vast majority of the programs put into place after September 11th are designed to combat organized terrorism, not someone stoned out of his mind from causing minor damage to an empty space while everyone else is asleep.
Damn those militant stoners.
I think after the main batch of terrorist (and I dislike using the word terrorist now, even though it is technically appropriate) attacks (9/11, london bombings etc...), all such incidents look kinda pathetic and almost lol-worthy.
Like that supposedly organised attack in the UK a while back, which consisted of "setting a car on fire and crashing it into a bollard somewhat near an airport". I actually laughed out loud when I read about that, which I doubt was the intended effect.
Like that supposedly organised attack in the UK a while back, which consisted of "setting a car on fire and crashing it into a bollard somewhat near an airport". I actually laughed out loud when I read about that, which I doubt was the intended effect.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You have to remember that these people have come to the conclusion that blowing themselves up along with as many passers-by as possible is going to make the world a better place as a whole. I would not expect great feats of mental agility from this kind of individual.
I guess drugs really do support terrorism?
Like that supposedly organised attack in the UK a while back, which consisted of "setting a car on fire and crashing it into a bollard somewhat near an airport". I actually laughed out loud when I read about that, which I doubt was the intended effect.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
yah, a number of them are rather silly and dumb (the shoe bomber any one?)
but on the flip side, you have 9/11, the London underground bombings, and other such occasions. Sure, most are rather pathetic, but it still is kinda frightening if you let your self dwell on it (specially as a NYer <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />).
Admittedly, that is why I don't dwell on it at all. I expect that we will never know what was the point of this 'attack' was, or how did it, though my suspect is some random crackpot who decided he must do this. I also don't worry about some one setting off a nuke in the middle of Manhattan, or crop-dusting us with anthrax. If it happens, it happens and I will probably die. So why worry?
I guess it depends on your perspective. No matter how you look at it, the 9/11 attacks especially required intelligence and planning, as well as training and rehearsal. The amount of forethought put into such an attack on innocents is disturbing, but it was intelligent thought.
And being all paranoid and cynical like I am, it can't be denied that the actions that America (and the UK and other countries that I never hear about since I'm in the UK and the press here rarely bothers mentioning allied forces any more) has been goaded into taking have strengthened several "Islamic" powerbases with this whole "them against us" thing.
So from their point of view, I guess things have only gotten better.
Osama doesn't consider US civilians to be innocent. His reasoning is something like this: The US government is guilty of X, Y, and Z against the muslim world or whatever, and since the US is a democracy, the people have elected and continue to elect a government that continues to be guilty of X, Y, and Z. Therefor, the US citizens are just as guilty as their government.