Interesting you should mention this. I was at one point toying with an idea about incorporating their software into the NS dedicated server. Strange idea, yes, but think about all those computers that are idle when there are no players on them? That's a LOT of CPU power. I tried looking around for an SDK but found nothing. Perhaps once NS is out I'll contact them.
Well, hate to say this, Flayra, but I wouldn't play NS if you did that. While it's for a good cause, I do not enjoy allowing ANYONE ELSE into my computer. There is private stuff on here and stuff I don't have copyrighted yet. Besides, I don't need someone monkeying with my computer and potentially, though inadvertently, installing a virus into it.
KassingerShades of greyJoin Date: 2002-02-20Member: 229Members, Constellation
You know Flayra, that would be really great advertistment, and other mods might do the same thing.
Thus, they get tons of more proccesing power. Nice!
Don't worry Jedisar, they don't sneak into peoples computers just because you installed such a program. If they wanted to they would probably already be doing it if you don't have a good firewall. <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->
Edit: And remember, it would be <b>you</b> who would be missing something if you didn't play NS, not the other way. <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->
hmm it's a really nice idea, but my isp doesn't allow me to go over my upload and download limit, and every month i'm very close to it, if you cross the lien they make you pay more or put you on smallband <!--emo&:(--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('><!--endemo--> Anyway i already signed up for that SETI screensaver program, hmm still toying if I should install this thing, prolly I will, cuz cancer is really awfull.
<!--QuoteBegin--Kassinger+Mar. 17 2002,05:08--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Kassinger @ Mar. 17 2002,05:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->You know Flayra, that would be really great advertistment, and other mods might do the same thing.
Thus, they get tons of more proccesing power. Nice!
Don't worry Jedisar, they don't sneak into peoples computers just because you installed such a program. If they wanted to they would probably already be doing it if you don't have a good firewall. <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->
Edit: And remember, it would be <b>you</b> who would be missing something if you didn't play NS, not the other way. <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Doesn't mean I should give them a backdoor through it nor should I make it easier. Besides, I might miss out on ns, but I can't let them access my computer anyway.
Because the people at the Reasearch for Cancer place are DEFINATLY going to hack into your computer Jedisar. Its not like its opening a backdoor into H4x0r World. Think about it <!--emo&???--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'><!--endemo--> [edit] I think its a great idea, and everyone who can should support cancer research. My best friends dad died from cancer, when we were 12. So im all for it. [edit]
Even if this code were added to the NS Dedicated Server build, it would of course be something you could turn off. In fact, it would probably be off by default, just for liability purposes.
Bah, Who knows what those little Researcher Newbies might decide to do to have fun. Besides, who's to say that someone won't slip a virus into their system, then when they go to leech off my computer that it doesn't get transfered..Like a horrible TTD! I don't wanna get a Technology Transmitted Disease!
KassingerShades of greyJoin Date: 2002-02-20Member: 229Members, Constellation
I think they take their jobs seriously enough not to risk everything on 'fun' with the cancer research supporters. And if they would have fun, why choose you? <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo--> You might as well go with a steel umbrella outside just to make sure small pieces of stone doesn't fall of the roof tops while walking down the street.
About the virus 'threat', it's more likely you get a virus while downloading some map and, urr, it turns out to be an .exe file, than their research program to send you something like that. <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
I think the virus coder would have to design the virus spesifically for that task, and though there's a lot of weirdos out there, why attack cancer research?
If that feature came with a NS version, I wouldn't certainly turn it on, 'cause it would surely do more good than harm. I hope and think that it will barely make the ping higher because it's supposed to only use unused processing power (and bandwith?)=)
Hey, this is a great idea. I just wonder...how does this work? I'm downloading it now, but I wonder how much they told the truth when they said it wouldn't impact my performance.
And if other mods caught onto this, it'd be even better. Imagine if CS did this...
<!--QuoteBegin--Kassinger+Mar. 18 2002,12:07--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Kassinger @ Mar. 18 2002,12:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->I think they take their jobs seriously enough not to risk everything on 'fun' with the cancer research supporters. And if they would have fun, why choose you? <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo--> You might as well go with a steel umbrella outside just to make sure small pieces of stone doesn't fall of the roof tops while walking down the street.
About the virus 'threat', it's more likely you get a virus while downloading some map and, urr, it turns out to be an .exe file, than their research program to send you something like that. <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
I think the virus coder would have to design the virus spesifically for that task, and though there's a lot of weirdos out there, why attack cancer research?
If that feature came with a NS version, I wouldn't certainly turn it on, 'cause it would surely do more good than harm. I hope and think that it will barely make the ping higher because it's supposed to only use unused processing power (and bandwith?)=)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> first point: Good Idea, where can I get one? ;p
Second point: I know not to downloade .exe's <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo-->
First point: Jedisar, OK, if you believe that a switchable feature that's only activated when setting up a dedicated server will harm your security, then don't D/L the game. BUT, if you want to maintain that level of security, you'd better disconnect your PC from the net, put it in a steelbarrel, fill it with quick drying concrete, throw it in the deepest depths of the Pacific Ocean and burry it under some tons of stone. Voilá - no one is going to access your private data.
Serious though, I really love the idea of philantrophic P2P, but better be carefull with the choice: I was already about to subscribe to two cancer researchs PP2Ps until I found out that they were going to patent the remedy for commercial use. There's nothing lower than using altruistic minded people to get your hands on something that you in turn will sell for everything the market offers. However, if this project is not going to claim the rights for the stuff they get out, but spread it at low prices, then by all means: Do it!
KassingerShades of greyJoin Date: 2002-02-20Member: 229Members, Constellation
Nemesis Zero has once again proved to very idealistical. Yay for him. <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->
If they used it commercially, they might lose lots of 'helpers', though there's always enough ignorant people out 'there' that have already d/l and will still support it.
It's sad if this eventually ended up 'under the control of the market'. Such is the global life of today. :S
Ok, Jedisar, connecting to a dedicated server running this *wouldn't* make it access your computer at all, according to what Flayra said. It would merely be running on the server's machine.
I'm not sure if this is the same or different than <a href="http://www.ud.com" target="_blank">United Devices</a> cancer research program, but with that you can create 'teams' of people, and all the research they did is pooled together towards the team's total. You can win money or prizes (either by random drawing, or by doing a certain amount of research on your machine), although I have always opted out of that (it just doesnt seem right to get money for helping cancer research).
Flayra (not MonsE or Comprox -- it would seriously help if it were actually Flayra who did it, because it lists the team captain, and people are more inclined to join a team that is clearly official, and Flayra is the most-known member of the NS dev team) could make an official NS team, and I'm sure a lot of people would sign up. Maybe we could get some money to help fund NS *shrug* Feed a Flay for a Day foundation (heh)
Anyway, when they claim it doesn't impact performance, that is for the most part true -- it only uses spare resources. If you are compiling a map and it's using 100% of your processor and RAM, it will not be doing anything. But if you are just looking at web pages, and most of your CPU is not being used, it will use that CPU power that you don't need. When you do need it, it lets go of it very easily, so it doesn't interrupt anything you're doing.
I've been running UD (united devices) agent on my PC for over a year now, and it has never got in my way. It also can act as a screensaver, showing the molecular structure of whatever protein molecule it is studying.
You can also customize the schedule for what times/days it runs, and also when it connects to the internet to upload/download data. You can also tell it how much storage space you will allow it to take up, etc.
It's a very nice program, and it's for a good cause. The only 'side-effect' is that your PC will use slightly more electricity (hardly enough to light a lightbulb, I think they said), because it is working constantly. That's hardly enough to detract from the good it's doing.
Again, I think intel's program is prbably the same as united-devices, because Intel is a sponsor for United-Devices, and I notced some UD links on the site. So, please download either and get it running <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
[EDIT -- I looked around, and it is the very same program. <a href="http://www.ud.com" target="_blank">http://www.ud.com</a> is where you can sign up for team and stuff, tho. <a href="http://www.intel.com/cure/anthrax_results.htm" target="_blank">This</a> is a good example of what the power of peer-to-peer computing can do!]
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Thus, they get tons of more proccesing power. Nice!
Don't worry Jedisar, they don't sneak into peoples computers just because you installed such a program. If they wanted to they would probably already be doing it if you don't have a good firewall. <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->
Edit: And remember, it would be <b>you</b> who would be missing something if you didn't play NS, not the other way. <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->
Anyway i already signed up for that SETI screensaver program, hmm still toying if I should install this thing, prolly I will, cuz cancer is really awfull.
Thus, they get tons of more proccesing power. Nice!
Don't worry Jedisar, they don't sneak into peoples computers just because you installed such a program. If they wanted to they would probably already be doing it if you don't have a good firewall. <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->
Edit: And remember, it would be <b>you</b> who would be missing something if you didn't play NS, not the other way. <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Doesn't mean I should give them a backdoor through it nor should I make it easier. Besides, I might miss out on ns, but I can't let them access my computer anyway.
[edit] I think its a great idea, and everyone who can should support cancer research. My best friends dad died from cancer, when we were 12. So im all for it. [edit]
Inf.
About the virus 'threat', it's more likely you get a virus while downloading some map and, urr, it turns out to be an .exe file, than their research program to send you something like that. <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
I think the virus coder would have to design the virus spesifically for that task, and though there's a lot of weirdos out there, why attack cancer research?
If that feature came with a NS version, I wouldn't certainly turn it on, 'cause it would surely do more good than harm. I hope and think that it will barely make the ping higher because it's supposed to only use unused processing power (and bandwith?)=)
And if other mods caught onto this, it'd be even better. Imagine if CS did this...
About the virus 'threat', it's more likely you get a virus while downloading some map and, urr, it turns out to be an .exe file, than their research program to send you something like that. <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
I think the virus coder would have to design the virus spesifically for that task, and though there's a lot of weirdos out there, why attack cancer research?
If that feature came with a NS version, I wouldn't certainly turn it on, 'cause it would surely do more good than harm. I hope and think that it will barely make the ping higher because it's supposed to only use unused processing power (and bandwith?)=)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
first point: Good Idea, where can I get one? ;p
Second point: I know not to downloade .exe's <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo-->
Third Point: Lotta sickos out there.
BUT, if you want to maintain that level of security, you'd better disconnect your PC from the net, put it in a steelbarrel, fill it with quick drying concrete, throw it in the deepest depths of the Pacific Ocean and burry it under some tons of stone.
Voilá - no one is going to access your private data.
Serious though, I really love the idea of philantrophic P2P, but better be carefull with the choice: I was already about to subscribe to two cancer researchs PP2Ps until I found out that they were going to patent the remedy for commercial use.
There's nothing lower than using altruistic minded people to get your hands on something that you in turn will sell for everything the market offers.
However, if this project is not going to claim the rights for the stuff they get out, but spread it at low prices, then by all means: Do it!
<!--EDIT|Nemesis Zero|Mar. 21 2002,07:46-->
If they used it commercially, they might lose lots of 'helpers', though there's always enough ignorant people out 'there' that have already d/l and will still support it.
It's sad if this eventually ended up 'under the control of the market'. Such is the global life of today. :S
I'm not sure if this is the same or different than <a href="http://www.ud.com" target="_blank">United Devices</a> cancer research program, but with that you can create 'teams' of people, and all the research they did is pooled together towards the team's total. You can win money or prizes (either by random drawing, or by doing a certain amount of research on your machine), although I have always opted out of that (it just doesnt seem right to get money for helping cancer research).
Flayra (not MonsE or Comprox -- it would seriously help if it were actually Flayra who did it, because it lists the team captain, and people are more inclined to join a team that is clearly official, and Flayra is the most-known member of the NS dev team) could make an official NS team, and I'm sure a lot of people would sign up. Maybe we could get some money to help fund NS *shrug* Feed a Flay for a Day foundation (heh)
Anyway, when they claim it doesn't impact performance, that is for the most part true -- it only uses spare resources. If you are compiling a map and it's using 100% of your processor and RAM, it will not be doing anything. But if you are just looking at web pages, and most of your CPU is not being used, it will use that CPU power that you don't need. When you do need it, it lets go of it very easily, so it doesn't interrupt anything you're doing.
I've been running UD (united devices) agent on my PC for over a year now, and it has never got in my way. It also can act as a screensaver, showing the molecular structure of whatever protein molecule it is studying.
You can also customize the schedule for what times/days it runs, and also when it connects to the internet to upload/download data. You can also tell it how much storage space you will allow it to take up, etc.
It's a very nice program, and it's for a good cause. The only 'side-effect' is that your PC will use slightly more electricity (hardly enough to light a lightbulb, I think they said), because it is working constantly. That's hardly enough to detract from the good it's doing.
Again, I think intel's program is prbably the same as united-devices, because Intel is a sponsor for United-Devices, and I notced some UD links on the site. So, please download either and get it running <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
[EDIT -- I looked around, and it is the very same program. <a href="http://www.ud.com" target="_blank">http://www.ud.com</a> is where you can sign up for team and stuff, tho. <a href="http://www.intel.com/cure/anthrax_results.htm" target="_blank">This</a> is a good example of what the power of peer-to-peer computing can do!]