Up / Down Speeds

ambushambush Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7592Members
<div class="IPBDescription">How fast it gotta be</div> When im runnin a server and only 2 people are connected, the ping stays stable at 50 or so. But when another one joins it goes up to like 400.

What I really want to knwo are these speeds enough to run a single 10 player server, or is it just my machine.

Upload Speed 247 Kb/s

Download Speed 1.8 megabits per second

Machine:

P4 2ghz
256 mb SDRAM
40 GB HD

Comments

  • ZarXZarX Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7493Members
    get more ram get alot more ram <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • GoleXGoleX Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7681Members
    Those speeds are fine, at max players for me (14) I had these speeds:

    Out: 240kb/sec
    In: 150kb/sec
  • TweedleTweedle Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7581Members
    ambush: are you behind a commercial router? (ie: linksys, netgear, etc.)
  • cracker_jackmaccracker_jackmac Join Date: 2002-11-04 Member: 6891Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin--Tweedle+Nov 11 2002, 01:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tweedle @ Nov 11 2002, 01:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->ambush: are you behind a commercial router? (ie: linksys, netgear, etc.)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What does it matter? if its a cisco or a linksys it doesn't play any difference on the u/d speeds. NAT or no NAT doesn't make <i>that</i> much of a difference.

    i run 14 ppl on 376K. I would run more but i just need another processor <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • ambushambush Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7592Members
    edited November 2002
    yea im behind linksys. Thank god for tutorials or i would have never been able to set it up right behind one <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    im gettin another 512mb stick of ram for christmas, which comes out to 768mb, u think thats enough for a 14 player?
  • TweedleTweedle Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7581Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--cracker jackmac+Nov 11 2002, 02:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (cracker jackmac @ Nov 11 2002, 02:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--Tweedle+Nov 11 2002, 01:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tweedle @ Nov 11 2002, 01:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->ambush: are you behind a commercial router?  (ie: linksys, netgear, etc.)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What does it matter? if its a cisco or a linksys it doesn't play any difference on the u/d speeds.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That is only half true. My cable modem has 30mbps/10mbps capability, though my ISP caps it much much lower than that. However, it isn't made to push a lot of small packets, which is what games use. If you have ever attended a LAN with a cable/dsl connection and a linksys router as a gateway, you'll know that you have to tone down your max updaterate once three people connect. 100 packets a second to the server works great when you're behind your own router, but Linksys doesn't really like more than about 350 or 400. It is made for simple home use: email, surfing, downloading, casual gaming.

    I'd highly recommend putting Linux on an old computer and using it as a router. It can handle a <b>tremendous</b> amount of traffic (packets per second [pps]) without loss, errors, or general mangling.

    I went to LAN with some friends this past weekend. We were using his Linksys router and our pings were 300ms. When <b>everyone</b> lowered their command rate from 100 to about 30, the ping lowered to about 60. The ping is low, but you still get a bit of "lag" in that the server doesn't register everything you do (as you're not sending it very many pps, relatively.) The pings would also spike 600+ randomly.

    Luckily I had brought my linux router. Hooked it up, and everything was great. Upped the pps and we all had the low ping, low loss, low choke connection we were used to.

    Routers make a <b>huge</b> difference.
  • TweedleTweedle Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7581Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--ambush+Nov 12 2002, 08:52 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ambush @ Nov 12 2002, 08:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->yea im behind linksys. Thank god for tutorials or i would have never been able to set it up right behind one <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    im gettin another 512mb stick of ram for christmas, which comes out to 768mb, u think thats enough for a 14 player?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'm running a 12 player server right now, it is only using 64MB of ram. The most I've seen it (with 14 people) was about 120. It doesn't eat _that_ much RAM.
  • STELTHSTELTH Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 1954Members
    I had a 14 player server running on my Dual Athlon MP 2000 with 512 Crucial RAM. I opened a bandwidth meter and 14 players sucked up 40k/sec upload when a full 14 players were on. I tossed it up to a 16 player server, but I noticed that the bandwidth went to 55k/sec, 10k/sec faster than my 45k/sec upload cap, so everyone started experiencing mad lag.

    I suppose this would be a variable, but for me, 14 players yeild 40k/sec upload or so.
  • cracker_jackmaccracker_jackmac Join Date: 2002-11-04 Member: 6891Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    Routers make a huge difference. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    He wasn't talking about LAN games. He was working on an internet game. A linux router is great, but there is a large learning curve for those who do not know linux very well or at all. plus running a linux router is a security risk in itself unless you learn how to configure IPchains, which can be confusing to if, yet again, u don't know what you are doing.

    I agree that routesr are important to gaming performance, but not for his application. on a large (players >= 24 )games a router WILL make a huge difference. But i don't see the relavence for a 12-16 player internet server because the pps on an internet hosted game is really low to begin with. Plus i have plugin_blatt_rate that automaticly configures the server and clients to limit their maxupdaterate and such. Its very usefull on limited connections like mine.
  • TweedleTweedle Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7581Members
    cracker, no offense, but from personal experience, you are wrong. You are correct on the linux part, though. It takes a good 15-20 hours to get set up and comfortable with everything for your first time.
  • cracker_jackmaccracker_jackmac Join Date: 2002-11-04 Member: 6891Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin--Tweedle+Nov 12 2002, 11:00 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tweedle @ Nov 12 2002, 11:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->cracker, no offense, but from personal experience, you are wrong. You are correct on the linux part, though. It takes a good 15-20 hours to get set up and comfortable with everything for your first time.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    both our opinions have now been posted. I don't feel that i am incorrect. But then again, i may be. I'll just leave it to the public to take both our advices and draw thier own conclusions.


    I don't take offense, but i don't appriciate being told i am flat out wrong, i belive there is partial truth in both our agruement and that neither of us is either completely wrong or right.
  • TweedleTweedle Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7581Members
    Fair enough, but I've done the before and afters several times over, with always the exact same results. *shrug*

    Either way, you shouldn't run a server off your broadband. Go read your ISP's EULA <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • BlademanBlademan Join Date: 2002-11-12 Member: 8303Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    Routers make a huge difference.

    He wasn't talking about LAN games. He was working on an internet game. A linux router is great, but there is a large learning curve for those who do not know linux very well or at all. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    If you're looking for a quick and easy linux firewall/router try <a href='http://ipcop.org' target='_blank'>IPCop</a>. It's quick simple and stable.

    I had it up and running in about an hour, and I'm no Linux guru. You will need at least 2 NICs, 3 if you want a DMZ. Once it's up, you never need physically touch it again, all admin is done through a web browser. In fact IPCop gives instructions on removing the CD to be used elsewhere.
  • cracker_jackmaccracker_jackmac Join Date: 2002-11-04 Member: 6891Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Either way, you shouldn't run a server off your broadband. Go read your ISP's EULA<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I can run game servers. Just not websites, FTPs, or anything commercial. Otherwise i have to get business class. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • ambushambush Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7592Members
    lol my broadband is way more capable than the speeds i have now because they cap them so low, it used to be alot higher untill fgts started making servers and sellin space on there machines. They ruin it for everyone. Im gona end up getting over a 1GB of ram so w00t <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
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