Stupid question maybe?

MoquiaoMoquiao Join Date: 2003-05-09 Member: 16168Members
<div class="IPBDescription">I really dont know</div>OK! so, this may be a stupid question, i honestly dont know, my situation as it stands, been back from another country for a month or more, and still finding work, currently doing temp work, as such, income isnt.. amazing. and basically.

I have a cracked tooth, have had it since around january 07, i left it, as i really do have a fear of the dentist, they terrify me, but its got to the point now, where above the tooth, by like 1 inch, its all numb/sore etc, cant even 'clench' my teeth, without wincing in pain.

NOW i REALLY cant afford much dental treatment, let alone private, and there is next to no NHS taking on in this area. so here comes the stupid question.

its 1 damn tooth, its ######ed already, would it be THAT bad to just yank it out with pliers or some ######? stupid question maybe, im not known for my brain <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> just pliers in, rip it out, job done. or would it have alot more serious complications, and is it worht me shelling out the 100 bucks + to get it done properly?

thanks <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> and again, sorry if the answer is obvious, i really have no idea..

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  • ThaldarinThaldarin Alonzi&#33; Join Date: 2003-07-15 Member: 18173Members, Constellation
    Yes it would be that bad. Possibly you could create more damage stopping or causing a more expensive replacement tooth.
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    What thaldy said.

    And don't forget the joys of infection <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
  • X_StickmanX_Stickman Not good enough for a custom title. Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15533Members, Constellation
    Self medication in general is a bad idea. I sympathise with your lack of funding (I've been in the same position) as well as your fear of dentists (my wisdom teeth are coming in and I haven't had them checked, despite a history of bad teeth.... luckily they appear to be coming in fine), but anything you do yourself is only going to make it worse.

    On the other hand, if you DID do it yourself, and ended up in A&E with an infection or something, you'd probably get free treatment from somewhere <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />


    Are you sure there's no NHS dentist around there? It took me a while to find one, but I did in the end. It's about a 30 minute drive but it's worth it.
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    Shouldn't there be like a website or something for this?

    I mean, I know I can find free clinics in NYC, and I thought your health care was better then ours <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    IANAD (I am not a dentist) but I suggest you not rip your teeth out with pliers.
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1667029:date=Jan 10 2008, 07:37 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Jan 10 2008, 07:37 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1667029"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->IANAD (I am not a dentist) but I suggest you not rip your teeth out with pliers.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Right, make sure you use vice grips.
  • XythXyth Avatar Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22312Members
    Self medication is a great idea! You might want get your buddy to do it though, and you need to burn the wound shut afterwards(don't want to get an infection ya'know) and Im not so sure you could pull it off.
    I'd say get knock-out drunk first, then let loose one of your friends onto the tooth with the pliers/robo-grip/whatever.
    Afterwards, take a nice hot poker and just jam it into the exposed nerve. What's the worst that could happen?
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    Here in the states (At least my area) If you get treatment and default payment you merely pay like 25 dollars a month (The absolute minimum to avoid ruining your credit) you're golden, although you will have that bill looming over you for a few years. Better than a spreading infection which causes you to loose part of your jaw <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink-fix.gif" />
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    Well, I'll throw in my lot with those supporting treatment. You need that treated, and by a professional. DIY is fine and dandy, but not with your health. Self-medication is what killed my grandfather, and while this PROBABLY wouldn't kill you in any case, it could lead to serious complications if untreated or treated by people who have no clue about dentistry. It's unfortunate that you can't find a dentist under the NHS, but keep looking. You need this fixed.
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    Seriously,

    <a href="http://www.nhs.uk/Pages/homepage.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.nhs.uk/Pages/homepage.aspx</a>

    put in where ever the hell you live, find a dentist, take a day off of work (or not if you are working part time) and get to the damn dentist <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />

    Hell, worst case scenario you get a car service to drive you there, it is still cheaper then dealing with what will happen if you don't take care of it <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
  • ThaldarinThaldarin Alonzi&#33; Join Date: 2003-07-15 Member: 18173Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1667029:date=Jan 11 2008, 12:37 AM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Jan 11 2008, 12:37 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1667029"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->IANAD (I am not a dentist) but I suggest you not rip your teeth out with pliers.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    That's because real men use baseball bats!
  • twoflowtwoflow Singing Drunk Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 1950Members, Constellation
    You really must go to the dentist as soon as possible.

    If you can't afford it then start selling things.
  • CrispyCrispy Jaded GD Join Date: 2004-08-22 Member: 30793Members, Constellation
    IIRC the NHS in thr US is National Homeland Security, and I don't think you'd get quite the right response if you turned up on their doorstep asking to be put out of your misery.

    If you can afford to somehow get back to the UK you could maybe get some free dental care. I know you have no money but maybe you could get your olds to sort out an air fare for you if you haven't seen them in a while.

    Otherwise, is heading south or north of the border an option at all?
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    crispy, you missed a bit of his adventures.

    NHS == National Health Services (or something), and he IS back in the UK (silly laws saying you can't claim citizenship through biological parents if you were adopted....)
  • CrispyCrispy Jaded GD Join Date: 2004-08-22 Member: 30793Members, Constellation
    edited January 2008
    OK, so how much are you earning temping if you can't hobble together £100-150 for dental fees over a month period? By my estimations, minimum wage should net you roughly £800 a month after tax.

    Subtract a rent of roughly £100/week (if you're spending more than this when you only have temporary employment and no savings to fall back on, you're asking for trouble), another £50 for bills, another £100 for basic food and you're left with £250 to split between household and health products, socialising and dental costs.

    What am I missing?
  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
  • ThaldarinThaldarin Alonzi&#33; Join Date: 2003-07-15 Member: 18173Members, Constellation
    edited January 2008
    <!--quoteo(post=1667283:date=Jan 13 2008, 12:23 PM:name=Crispy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Crispy @ Jan 13 2008, 12:23 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1667283"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->OK, so how much are you earning temping if you can't hobble together £100-150 for dental fees over a month period? By my estimations, minimum wage should net you roughly £800 a month after tax.

    Subtract a rent of roughly £100/week (if you're spending more than this when you only have temporary employment and no savings to fall back on, you're asking for trouble), another £50 for bills, another £100 for basic food and you're left with £250 to split between household and health products, socialising and dental costs.

    What am I missing?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    to Quote wiki Crispy...

    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The following minimum wage amounts apply (as of 1 October 2007)[2]:
    £5.52 per hour for 22-year-olds and above (this has risen since 1999 from the initial £3.60 an hour).
    £4.60 per hour for 18-to-21-year-olds
    £3.40 per hour for under-18s who have finished compulsory education[3]
    None for those who have not yet finished compulsory education (the age when a person finishes compulsory education is either 15 or 16, depending on where their birthday falls in the school year)

    A £4.15 a day deduction can be made for living accommodation. No extra benefits such as redundancy, pension payments, loans, or awards can be included as pay, with the exception of tips that are distributed through the payroll system.

    The policy is criticised for its separate tier of payment for 18–21 year olds, who are expected to pay tax, or pay £3,070 per year in top-up fees for university, and pay National Insurance, yet can still be paid 92p per hour less than other adults.[4]

    To put the pay in perspective, an Adult working at the minimum wage for 7 hours a day, 5 days a week, over the age of 22 will make, in 48 weeks (approximately the amount of working weeks in a year, taking off sick leave, holidays and bank holidays), £38.64/day, £193.20/week, and £9,273.60/year.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    What I think you are missing is even on minimum wage <b>before</b> national insurance, income tax and a pension is paid in to on roughly £800 <b>before tax</b> you're left with roughly £600 right? Then you got roughly £400 for rent you're only left with roughly £200 to play around with which includes bills etc.
  • BlackMageBlackMage [citation needed] Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17474Members, Constellation
    edited January 2008
    "£50 for bills"
    50 British pounds = 97.93 U.S. dollars

    Phone: US$27.50
    Intertubes: US$28.40
    Water/Gas/Power: US$125

    I can squeeze in there if I don't use water and leave the heat off .... maybe.
  • ThaldarinThaldarin Alonzi&#33; Join Date: 2003-07-15 Member: 18173Members, Constellation
    For bills in the UK at the moment I'd estimate £20 for gas and £20 for electric each month. Water rate varies but let's say if you're on your own its around £30 a month... that is £70 a month already at a loss then you have a phone bill, internet bill, food shopping bill. Quite frankly in the UK on minimum wage you are <insert the F word here> if you are living alone. And yes I do blame the state welfare scheme for this.
  • CrispyCrispy Jaded GD Join Date: 2004-08-22 Member: 30793Members, Constellation
    edited January 2008
    OK so I slightly underestimated the bills (left out phone and internet), but I was going on what I paid when I was at uni (no phone no internet - I survived) and sharing the bills between others. If you're earning minimum wage or thereabouts, and you're young, it's highly advisable to share a flat/house. Sites like Gumtree cater exactly for this if you can't find anyone from your friends or friends' network to share with.

    Thaldarin's calculations from Wikipedia are correct if you are temping, because most often you aren't paid for holidays, and sometimes not for sick days if you're working on a temporary basis. If you have an ongoing contract you are paid for your holidays and for you sick days (provided they don't exceed a quantity specified in the contract).

    Basically, if you're temping, you should be looking for 8% more than the minimum wage or you're actually earning less than you would be on an ongoing contract. At least I think that's how it works.

    If you're temping through an agency, it's worth considering that they will be taking a good chunk off what you're paid per hour, so unless they're getting you work you genuinely enjoy, once you have gathered a good 6-12 months' experience doing whatever you're doing, you'd be better off taking your experience and your CV and applying direct so you can earn your full potential pay and not have to share it with a recruitment agency.

    Whatever your situation, you should be able to save at least £50 per month to get your tooth sorted out professionally. A loan or taking out an overdraft with your bank is an option if you can be confident you can stay in work until you'll have the money to pay it off.
  • MoquiaoMoquiao Join Date: 2003-05-09 Member: 16168Members
    edited January 2008
    'Basically, if you're temping, you should be looking for 8% more than the minimum wage or you're actually earning less than you would be on an ongoing contract. At least I think that's how it works.'

    one thing to note, christ you guys are condescending.. lol. and im temping, in between permanent jobs, and no, its not an 'every day' temping, as my agency is... ######. i work maybe 2 weeks a month, if lucky.

    BUT anyway.

    the tooth! i rang the nhs direct, and they pointed me to a dentist, he drilled up into the tooth (which is now dead) and drained what was a big ass abcess, i took some penicilin, jobs a goodun.

    feeling right as rain, and yes, i know temping and working 2 weeks a month, is dire, working on fulltime >>

    |EDIT : it cost me 19.50, but ill have to get the tooth extracted at some point, which will be 43.50
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    edited January 2008
    hey, that is damn better then what my GF has been through with dentist problems.

    Be glad you have NHS.


    either way, glad it is taken care of for now.
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    I tried not to be condescending. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />

    Good news that your tooth is out of the critical phase for now.
  • DrfuzzyDrfuzzy FEW... MORE.... INCHES... Join Date: 2003-09-21 Member: 21094Members
    Check with a local dental school, some are free. And dont worry, just because their students they have been through lots of training and should be supervised.
  • CrispyCrispy Jaded GD Join Date: 2004-08-22 Member: 30793Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1667437:date=Jan 14 2008, 11:28 PM:name=Moquiao)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Moquiao @ Jan 14 2008, 11:28 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1667437"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->|EDIT : it cost me 19.50, but ill have to get the tooth extracted at some point, which will be 43.50<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Bargain! That's a lot less than I thought it might be. Good to hear you got it sorted anyway.
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