TWG XVI: Veiled Intentions

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  • EMP_DemonEMP_Demon Nothing to see here. Join Date: 2005-01-28 Member: 38754Members, Constellation
    <!--sizeo:5--><span style="font-size:18pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo--><b><i>It is now Day Two. Post away!</i></b><!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->

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    No story yet, will get up ASAP.

    Oh, and <b><!--coloro:#FF0000--><span style="color:#FF0000"><!--/coloro-->Soul_Rider</b><!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> died.

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    <b><u>Surviving Players</b></u>
    1. Thansal - Silence/Cara/Celerity Xeno Skulk
    2. im_lost - Silence/Cloak Fade
    3. TheFeniX - Adren/Celerity Charge Onos
    4. Xentor - Silence Lerk
    5. Faskalia - Redemption/Celerity Gorge
    6. Nightstalker - Cloak Skulk
    7. Gwahir - Celerity+ Lerk
    8. Isamil - Celerity/Focus Meta Fade

    Instalynch is at 5.

    Day Two will end Sunday, September 23rd, at 6 PM EST.
  • NightstalkerNightstalker Join Date: 2007-01-06 Member: 59463Members
    Hmm why does it seem ever since Freak stopped hosting TWG, the story always dissapears the second day.....

    Anyways I'm withholding judgement for now....pending a few things.....
  • NightstalkerNightstalker Join Date: 2007-01-06 Member: 59463Members
    That was intended as a funny/sarcastic comment, not a serious one....
  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members
    I get here 5 hours after the day starts and only one person has posted so far?

    So far, all I have to work with is that E_Lost was probably human. He was going out of his way to talk with people, and that certainly wouldn't be necessary for a wolf to do in this game. So then I looked over his list, and I removed everyone that he had listed as human. That gives

    <!--quoteo(post=0:date=:name=List from Eternaly Lost, minus humans)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(List from Eternaly Lost, minus humans)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->4. TheFeniX - Wolf (based on defection)
    5. Xentor - No idea
    7. Faskalia - No Idea
    8. Nightstalker - Potental Wolf
    10. Isamil - No Idea<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Looking over yesterday, the only suspicious thing I really see is <b>Isamil's</b> third vote on me, so that's where my vote will go (Xentor's vote seems like a real mistake, whether or not he is a wolf).
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    I apologize, I will not be around much today or tomorrow.

    for now I am going to place a vote on <b>Xentor</b> as he is the other person that placed a 3rd vote.

    I agree, Isamil's is more suspicious, however, tbh, I think that Xen's still is suspicious, and I don't want to start a bandwagon after the second vote (bandwagons are easy for wolves to hide in)
  • IsamilIsamil Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23552Members, Constellation
    trying to put order in random votes is suspicious, I agree.
  • GwahirGwahir Join Date: 2002-04-24 Member: 513Members, Constellation
    I agree with the reasons given so far. I was considering TheFenix, but E_Lost's reason seems more shaky than these other reasons. I'll go with <b>Xentor</b> as well.
  • GwahirGwahir Join Date: 2002-04-24 Member: 513Members, Constellation
    wait, Xentor placed a 3rd vote? I don't remember that, I thought he evened things out.

    I'll keep my vote where it is for now, but I'll probably end up changing it to isamil. Thansal, tell me where xentor placed a 3rd vote, he placed the first second vote, and then evened things out I thought.
  • XentorXentor Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5877Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1651234:date=Sep 22 2007, 01:18 PM:name=Gwahir)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Gwahir @ Sep 22 2007, 01:18 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1651234"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->wait, Xentor placed a 3rd vote? I don't remember that, I thought he evened things out.

    I'll keep my vote where it is for now, but I'll probably end up changing it to isamil. Thansal, tell me where xentor placed a 3rd vote, he placed the first second vote, and then evened things out I thought.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    Ok, to clear things up...

    1) There was one vote on im_lost
    2) I put a second on him, not noticing the first one
    3) I forget who, but someone put a second vote on me, so I kept my vote on im_lost so as not to screw myself over
    4) Someone put a third vote on im_lost, so I moved mine to someone that only had one.

    I put the second vote on, not the third.

    So, I'll just stick mine on <b>Thansal</b> now, for making that claim.
  • GwahirGwahir Join Date: 2002-04-24 Member: 513Members, Constellation
    I don't think a wolf would knowingly make such a public error, I'll switch to <b>Isamil</b>.

    I don't know what Thansal and xentor are, but I still find isamil suspcious, and currently, more suspicious than these two.
  • EMP_DemonEMP_Demon Nothing to see here. Join Date: 2005-01-28 Member: 38754Members, Constellation
    <a href="http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pPsU6Xq-ptjvwTpnGLpsqaQ" target="_blank">Vote Tally:</a>

    Isamil (2) - im_lost, Gwahir
    Thansal (1) - Xentor
    Xentor (1) - Thansal

    Left to vote:
    Isamil
    TheFeniX
    Faskalia
    Nightstalker
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    I appologize, I messed up there (posting right as I woke up and rushing out the door).

    Xen's was a 2nd vote, not a 3rd (the first second vote).

    Meh, tbh.
    I am just grasping at straws here <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />

    AKA, I have no info, we can only hope that the Odd seer got something.
  • FaskaliaFaskalia Wechsellichtzeichenanlage Join Date: 2004-09-12 Member: 31651Members, Constellation
    Ok, I have not really attended IRC cause of porting troubles and I really dont have a clue who is who, but I will stick my vote to Thansal for making a false claim and to even things with Isamil.
  • NightstalkerNightstalker Join Date: 2007-01-06 Member: 59463Members
    I am going to vote <b>The Fenix</b>, due to not much activity recently, and going along with E_losts suspicions.
  • TheFeniXTheFeniX Join Date: 2007-07-12 Member: 61569Members
    <b>Nightstalker</b> because I'm an easy wolf target for a lynch due to my inactivity. Considering how busy I am, they can off me without raising suspicion and also deny me the time I need before I can become more active.

    For my reasoning, I'm a poor wolf target due to my inactivity. They'd be better off killing a more active human. But scoring a lynch off supposed inactivity is win/win.
  • FaskaliaFaskalia Wechsellichtzeichenanlage Join Date: 2004-09-12 Member: 31651Members, Constellation
    As already pointed out: <b>Thansal</b>
  • EMP_DemonEMP_Demon Nothing to see here. Join Date: 2005-01-28 Member: 38754Members, Constellation
    <a href="http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pPsU6Xq-ptjvwTpnGLpsqaQ" target="_blank">Vote Tally</a>

    Isamil (2) - im_lost, Gwahir
    Thansal (2) - Xentor, Faskalia
    Xentor (1) - Thansal
    Nightstalker (1) - TheFeniX
    TheFeniX(1) - Nightstalker

    Left to vote:
    Isamil
  • FaskaliaFaskalia Wechsellichtzeichenanlage Join Date: 2004-09-12 Member: 31651Members, Constellation
    <b>Gwahir</b>
    Seeing that Isamil is the only one left to vote and he is tied with Thansal, whom I voted on late:

    I just dont want to be responsible.
  • EMP_DemonEMP_Demon Nothing to see here. Join Date: 2005-01-28 Member: 38754Members, Constellation
    edited September 2007
    <b><i><!--sizeo:5--><span style="font-size:18pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->It is now Night Two: No Posting!<!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec--></b></i>

    After the death of Eternaly_Lost, the Khiraa split into three groups. The two lerks and <b>Faskalia</b> went towards Pipeline in the hopes of trying to find a way to restore the hive-mind connection. In the meantime, <b>Thansal</b> and <b>TheFeniX</b> escorted <b>im_lost</b> back to the marine database in hopes of gaining more information. And, at the Sub-Sector hive, <b>Nightstalker</b> and <b>Isamil</b> attempted to break into the Sector 5 computer core, hoping to gain access to the humans' top secret information. <b>Soul_Rider</b> had joined them as support, as none of them knew what kind of defenses the core had.

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    <i>Pipeline</i>

    Reaching the hive, <b>Gwahir</b> and <b>Xentor</b> sped up, checking each exit for possible enemies, while <b>Faskalia</b> looked over the hive to see what could be done. Not seeing anything from below, the gorge turned to <b>Gwahir</b>, who was closer to him.

    <Hey, can you give me a lift?> <b>Gwahir</b> snorted, gorges were <i>heavy</i>! However, despite that, <b>Gwahir</b> flew over to <b>Faskalia</b> and asked, <Where to?>

    <Top of the hive. I want to see if I can do anything from up there.> <b>Gwahir</b> grabbed <b>Faskalia</b> by his back legs, then, straining a little, slowly pulled the gorge up to the top of the hive, where the two of them set down.

    <What the...> <b>Faskalia</b> could only find those words to express the patch of metallic skin on top of the hive. It looked like the hive's normal skin was fighting against it, pushing back and losing ground repeatedly. <Is this why the hive link stopped working?>

    Focusing on the hive, <b>Faskalia</b> released a few heal sprays, hoping to see if it would have an effect. It did; the hive's organic layer gained a good distance on the metallic layer. <b>Faskalia</b> released a few more heal sprays on other affected areas before he had to rest.

    <b>Xentor</b> silently chuckled at the sight when he heard the clang of metal hitting metal behind him. <I hear something... I'm going to go check it out,> he shouted to the two on top of the hive, before turning and chasing the sound, which repeated several more times, almost like... footsteps.

    <b>Xentor</b> never got a good look at his target, but it was heading in the direction of Sub-Sector 5B...

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    <i>Sub-Sector 5B Access</i>

    <...And, we're in.> <b>Isamil</b> had needed a bit of time to successfully crack the security code on the Sector 5 core, but it was done, and a nearby wall slid to the side to reveal a passageway obviously built for a human-sized person. <b>Nightstalker</b> went in first, his cloak allowing him to see security measures without being shot at.

    <All clear.> <b>Isamil</b> followed closely behind, leaving <b>Soul_Rider</b> just outside.

    However, this was a fatal mistake, as a silver-brown blur came out of nowhere, and with a metallic razor-sharp claw, decapitated <b><!--coloro:#FF0000--><span style="color:#FF0000"><!--/coloro-->Soul_Rider</b><!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> with a single swift stroke.

    The noise was obvious, however, but <b>Isamil</b> barely had time to react as the blur flew past him and landed in the room ahead, landing on top of the cylindrical computer core there. The creature was strange. While it had claws that were similar to a fade's, they were metallic, like the marine's knives. The body of the creature appeared to be a cross between a skulk and a fade, and it had a pair of wings similar to a lerk's, but much larger. The body also appeared to have armour similar to that of the human marines, and it stared at <b>Isamil</b> with a hating glance.

    However, <b>Nightstalker</b> noticed something; the creature couldn't see him! If the creature couldn't see him, he might be able to get a sneak attack off-

    His line of thought was interrupted as the creature launched a flying kick at <b>Nightstalker</b>, sending the skulk flying backwards far enough to smack into the Sub-Sector hive, knocking him out.

    <b>Xentor</b> saw <b>Nightstalker</b>'s impact, having chased this very creature from Pipeline, and, deciding <b>Isamil</b> had more of a chance than he did against the creature, rushed to the last trio to get help...

    Unfortunately, <b>Isamil</b>'s chances were far overstated. The creature rushed at him, slashing away with his claws, attacks that the fade was barely able to parry. There was no opportunity to counter-attack, and the few attacks that <b>Isamil</b> did get in were either avoided entirely or seemed to bounce off the creature's armour. It wasn't long before the creature went for the kill, stabbing one of its claws deep into the fade's midsection...

    <b>Nightstalker</b> barely woke up in time to see the blade sticking out of his friend's back, when the blade was jerked upward, straight through <b><!--coloro:#FF0000--><span style="color:#FF0000"><!--/coloro-->Isamil</b><!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->'s skull as though it had been air.

    The skulk saw the creature look at him as the fade's corpse collapsed. However, he could hear an onos coming at an incredibly fast rate from Overlook, it had to be <b>TheFeniX</b>! The creature looked at <b>Nightstalker</b> and made a threatening gesture with it's claws before taking off, leaving Sector 5 in the opposite direction as <b>TheFeniX</b>.

    <b>Nightstalker</b> smiled at the onos' presence, but as <b>Thansal</b>, sitting on top of <b>TheFeniX</b>, started to ask him questions, he fainted for the second time.

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    <b><u>Surviving Players</b></u>
    1. Thansal - Silence/Cara/Celerity Xeno Skulk
    2. im_lost - Silence/Cloak Fade
    3. TheFeniX - Adren/Celerity Charge Onos
    4. Xentor - Silence Lerk
    5. Faskalia - Redemption/Celerity Gorge
    6. Nightstalker - Cloak Skulk
    7. Gwahir - Celerity+ Lerk

    <a href="http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pPsU6Xq-ptjvwTpnGLpsqaQ&hl=en&pli=1" target="_blank">Final vote tally</a>
    Isamil (2) - im_lost, Gwahir
    Thansal (1) - Xentor
    Xentor (1) - Thansal
    Gwahir (1) - Faskalia
    TheFeniX (1) - Nightstalker
    Nightstalker (1) - TheFeniX

    Were Isamil not dead, he'd be getting a phantom. Ah well.

    Wolves and even seer (if alive) should PM me, and the psychic (if alive) will receive their PM shortly.

    Night Two will end Monday, September 24th, at 6 PM EST.
  • EMP_DemonEMP_Demon Nothing to see here. Join Date: 2005-01-28 Member: 38754Members, Constellation
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    Everyone was gathered in the Sector 5 core. <b>im_lost</b> had followed shortly after he had reviewed the video footage that he was watching. With a theory as to what was going on, he played the same video on a nearby terminal after <b>Nightstalker</b> woke up.

    The video was footage of a new nanite weapon, being tested on a trapped skulk. The skulk silently writhed in agony, clawing at its prison before eventually dropping dead. The shocking part, however, came when <b>im_lost</b> fast-forwarded the footage, when the skulk seemed to mutate... eventually becoming the creature they had just seen kill two of their own.

    <I believe that our target is the result of a human bio-weapon that was meant to destroy us on the microscopic level. I highly doubt it was intentional. The creature does not appear to be intelligent anymore, and my guess is that it's following basic Kharaa instinct combined with impersonations of humans programmed into the nanites themselves.> <b>im_lost</b> explained, as everyone else watched the creature break free from the prison after the camera shook a few times, likely when they had attacked the base.

    <So that... thing... is... no, was, one of us?> <b>TheFeniX</b> was confused, at best, <Why would it attack us then?>

    <'Impersonations of humans in the nanites themselves',> <b>Thansal</b> explained, repeating part of the fade's explanation, <It probably sees us as the enemy... I wonder if it even sees anything as an ally?>

    <It can see through our cloaking, too,> <b>Nightstalker</b> added, <I was planning to sneak up on it when it kicked me, then I don't remember much else after that.>

    <It probably has our ability to see our own cloaked allies. What I want to know is, how do we get rid of it?> <b>Gwahir</b> pointed out.

    <Well, we know it has similar abilities to fades, lerks, and skulks... maybe we should try to use a gorge or an onos against it? It seems to hate them with a passion.> <b>Xentor</b> said. Quickly, everyone thought up a plan to trap the creature and then kill it. Everyone began to move out, except <b>Faskalia</b>.

    <<b>im_lost</b>...> <b>Faskalia</b> called for the fade as everyone else was moving out, <Do you think this creature has something to do with the hives going down?>

    <I think so, yes. The metallic skin on the hives seems similar to the armour the creature has. But...> <b>im_lost</b> paused, not knowing if he should voice his other concern. <But?> Of course, the gorge in front of him heard the start of his statement. <But the hives were shut down when the resource supply was tampered with, or so Soul_Rider said. I can't help but wonder if we're going to end up like that creature too. If anything, we might be worse since the skulk was already dead when it began to transform, the hives are clearly still alive...>

    The two of them looked at each other painfully, hoping they didn't find each other on opposite sides soon...

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    The creature wandered the halls near the C-12 resource node. The trap was laid, and the bait would be <b>Nightstalker</b>. Darting out just long enough to smack the creature with a parasite, the creature immediately turned to the skulk and ran after him. <b>Nightstalker</b> immediately turned to flee toward Topography, the creature right behind him. <b>Nightstalker</b> feared for his life as the creature came within striking distance. <b>Nighstalker</b> finally turned the corner into Topography, the creature about to strike -

    <i>SNARF</i>

    The creature was so focused on <b>Nightstalker</b> that it hadn't seen <b>TheFeniX</b> right around the corner. Everyone cheered, surprised that the creature was beaten so easily. In fact, even <b>TheFeniX</b> couldn't believe the creature was taken down so easily, and he was the one who ate -

    All of a sudden, <b>TheFeniX</b> collapsed onto his side. The other Khiraa crowded around him, unsure of what was going on, when a very familiar claw erupted from his stomach, working to tear a hole large enough for the creature to break through...

    <b>Nightstalker</b> acted on instinct, jumping over to the claw and clamping down on it. He felt himself shake around wildly, as the creature tried to dislodge him from his claw. <b>Nightstalker</b> held on as though his life depended on it. He felt the claw stop shaking, but before he could breathe a sigh of relief, the creature's other claw flew out of the same hole, tearing a large gash in his chest and causing him to fly backwards into <b>Faskalia</b>, stunning the gorge in the process.

    While three of their number were incapacitated, <b>im_lost</b> thought of a way to take down the creature once and for all. Waiting for the creature to tear a large enough hole in its captor's belly, the fade prepared his next move...

    As the hole grew large enough, the creature stuck its head out, preparing to leap at the nearest target. However, before it got the chance to do so, <b>im_lost</b> hit it with a swipe in the back of its neck, causing the head to recoil, but the creature wasn't dead yet. <b>im_lost</b>, already annoyed, threw another swipe at the same point with both claws, causing the head of the creature to become limp. As <b>Xentor</b> and <b>Gwahir</b> pulled the creature out of <b>TheFeniX</b>'s damaged stomach, <b>Thansal</b> was already seeing to <b>Faskalia</b> and <b>Nightstalker</b>.

    <There's too much damage, there's nothing I can do.> <b>Faskalia</b> felt a pang of guilt at letting <b>Nightstalker</b> risk himself to stop the creature, but suppressed it and moved over to see if he could heal <b>TheFeniX</b>.

    <Did we... did we get it?> <b>Nightstalker</b>'s voice was faint, and it was clear from his wounds that he didn't have much time left. <b>im_lost</b> walked up to the dying skulk, and kneeled down to look at him face-to-face.

    <It's dead. Thank you, <b>Nightstalker</b>.> <b>im_lost</b> was also a bit saddened. If he hadn't hesitated, he could've attacked the creature's claw before <b>Nightstalker</b> had to risk himself.

    <b>Nightstalker</b> chuckled lightly, <Well... I guess I'll be seeing you out there, then...> With a loud groan, he closed his eyes, and a few seconds after that, <b><!--coloro:#FF0000--><span style="color:#FF0000"><!--/coloro-->Nightstalker</b><!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->'s breathing stopped...

    As <b>TheFeniX</b> struggled to stand back up, the hole in his chest mostly repaired but with a visible scar. Mourning for Nightstalker, it was a minute before they all realized something else missing that worried each of them.

    The hives were still not responding...

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    <b><u>Surviving Players</b></u>
    1. Thansal - Silence/Cara/Celerity Xeno Skulk
    2. im_lost - Silence/Cloak Fade
    3. TheFeniX - Adren/Celerity Charge Onos
    4. Xentor - Silence Lerk
    5. Faskalia - Redemption/Celerity Gorge
    6. Gwahir - Celerity+ Lerk

    Instalynch is at 4.

    Day Three will end Wednesday, September 26th, at 6 PM EST.
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    Well, as everyone knows. I am claiming to be the Even seer, and I checked <b>Gwahir</b> last night, and he came back as a wolf.

    Obvious conclusions:

    1) I am the Even Seer, Gwahir is a wolf. They didn't wolf me as there is no real reason to. (what I am sticking with)
    2) I am the Even Seer, Gwahir is the Odd (he did claim this), and the wolves lynched neither of us as they figure Gwahir is going to get lynched any way, so he will not get a second seering.
    3) I am a wolf pulling something VERY drastic.

    Gwahir, if you are the odd seer, who did you seer 2 nights ago?
  • GwahirGwahir Join Date: 2002-04-24 Member: 513Members, Constellation
    I tried to reply to your PM in IRC but you weren't there (my connection also got flaky again), to answer your question:

    soul rider, human

    My thinking was that if he was human he would at least make a good ally, just my luck he died on the same night.

    I probably should have checked along E_lost's data but he didn't seem very solid from his demeanor that night and figured that I had just let something slip as I don't seem to be very good at hiding my role in this game (see previous games on that one). Obviously he's at least 2 for 2.

    Regardless, nothing much matters now as coming out means I die tonight anyway.

    Though if I do survive that long I'll at least get another shot and killing any human right now seems a critical waste.
  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members
    Well, the game got a lot more interesting really fast. The most certain thing right now is that Thansal is most likely telling the truth, so that's one person we know is human. That leaves 5 other players. If we have 2 wolves left, then our chances of killing one are pretty good. If there's only one wolf left, then we have a little bit of breathing room.

    Probability does lean toward Gwahir being a wolf, but I'll wait and see how things turn out today. I kind of doubt anything else will come up though.
  • FaskaliaFaskalia Wechsellichtzeichenanlage Join Date: 2004-09-12 Member: 31651Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1651758:date=Sep 25 2007, 12:10 AM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ Sep 25 2007, 12:10 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1651758"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Well, as everyone knows. I am claiming to be the Even seer, and I checked <b>Gwahir</b> last night, and he came back as a wolf.

    Obvious conclusions:

    1) I am the Even Seer, Gwahir is a wolf. They didn't wolf me as there is no real reason to. (what I am sticking with)
    2) I am the Even Seer, Gwahir is the Odd (he did claim this), and the wolves lynched neither of us as they figure Gwahir is going to get lynched any way, so he will not get a second seering.
    3) I am a wolf pulling something VERY drastic.

    Gwahir, if you are the odd seer, who did you seer 2 nights ago?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Possible solutions:
    We kill Thansal
    We kill Gwahir

    If one of them is a wolf, the psychic can see it and if there have been only 2 wolves from the start he can reveal himself, by telling everyone that Thansal/Gwahir was a wolf. (As soon as there is only 1 wolf left the psychic lost his purpose)

    Does anyone here agree with me?

    At any rate:
    <b>Gwahir</b> for now.

    Also: I really hope that Thansal is not a wolf pulling something drastic, because by changing my vote to Gwahir I kinda saved him ^^.
    Besides: Isamil was not a wolf or at least he wasnt an active wolf.
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1651919:date=Sep 25 2007, 04:54 AM:name=Faskalia)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Faskalia @ Sep 25 2007, 04:54 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1651919"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If one of them is a wolf, the psychic can see it and if there have been only 2 wolves from the start he can reveal himself, by telling everyone that Thansal/Gwahir was a wolf. (As soon as there is only 1 wolf left the psychic lost his purpose)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Quick Note:

    Assuming 2 wolves alive atm: If we DON'T Kill a wolf today, we lose. we are probably at 4 v 2 atm, if we kill a human we go into the night at 3 v 2 and the next day, 2 v 2 == wolves win.

    <!--quoteo(post=1651919:date=Sep 25 2007, 04:54 AM:name=Faskalia)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Faskalia @ Sep 25 2007, 04:54 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1651919"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Also: I really hope that Thansal is not a wolf pulling something drastic, because by changing my vote to Gwahir I kinda saved him ^^.
    Besides: Isamil was not a wolf or at least he wasnt an active wolf.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    How do you know Isamil was not a wolf?
  • XentorXentor Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5877Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1651919:date=Sep 25 2007, 04:54 AM:name=Faskalia)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Faskalia @ Sep 25 2007, 04:54 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1651919"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Possible solutions:
    We kill Thansal
    We kill Gwahir

    If one of them is a wolf, the psychic can see it and if there have been only 2 wolves from the start he can reveal himself, by telling everyone that Thansal/Gwahir was a wolf. (As soon as there is only 1 wolf left the psychic lost his purpose)

    Does anyone here agree with me?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Things are indeed getting interesting... And I'm sure I'll be called a wolf for this, but no, I don't agree with you, Fask.

    I saw people talking about Thansal and Gwahir on IRC during night two (Was it two? Just woke up, still groggy... This past night). That means the wolves most likely knew about this in time to wolf one of them... Why didn't they?

    Scenario A -- Both are wolves: Pretty obvious why they're still alive. This scenario is unlikely, because the wolves would have to risk their entire team to try this tactic. Granted, Thansal might just do that, so don't discount this entirely.

    Scenario B -- One is human, one wolf: I don't think I have all the information here, so I'm not sure how to deal with this one.

    Scenario C -- They're the two seers. Now this is where it gets interesting. Everyone seems to be ignoring this possibility, and Fask seems to be intentionally pushing us away from it, claiming that our only options are to wolf one of those two.

    If they're the seers, and the wolves know this, why are they alive? Because wolfing one vindicates the other! They see each other as wolves (Well, Thansal sees Gwahir as one, right? Don't think the opposite scan has happened). If they wolf one, and the psychic confirms a human, we could use the other to form a solid network. On the other hand, if we lynch one, they can wolf the other and end the threat.

    Hell, I don't have any info here... Haven't PMed anyone except E_Lost (Just before he died), and didn't learn anything beyond what's already in the thread. I'm just trying to pick apart what I read, and I see <b>Faskalia</b> ignoring a pretty obvious possibility. Either it's a mistake, or he's trying to distract us from it. I could be wrong, but as usual, I have to make my point...

    And now I'm late for work. Bloody hell.
  • FaskaliaFaskalia Wechsellichtzeichenanlage Join Date: 2004-09-12 Member: 31651Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1651933:date=Sep 25 2007, 01:23 PM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ Sep 25 2007, 01:23 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1651933"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Quick Note:

    Assuming 2 wolves alive atm: If we DON'T Kill a wolf today, we lose. we are probably at 4 v 2 atm, if we kill a human we go into the night at 3 v 2 and the next day, 2 v 2 == wolves win.
    How do you know Isamil was not a wolf?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Cause if he was a wolf, he could have saved himself by placing a vote on you.

    Hell the only reason I changed my vote cause it was

    Isamil 2
    Thansal 2

    and Isamil had not voted. I assumed he would vote and thus he could have put himself out of harms way, stating that he just wants to be alive, which is understandable and thus we would have gained nothing.

    Now because he did not vote at all, means he was no active wolf.
  • FaskaliaFaskalia Wechsellichtzeichenanlage Join Date: 2004-09-12 Member: 31651Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1651940:date=Sep 25 2007, 01:58 PM:name=Xentor)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Xentor @ Sep 25 2007, 01:58 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1651940"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->stuff<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I am not ignoring it.

    Its just that the chances of Thansal seering a wolf is higher than the chances of him seering the other seer.

    And btw YOU are ignoring the fact, that maybe both are neither wolf nor seers. Maybe thansal is just a normal human and trying to pull some strange stunt for his own personal amusement!

    Thus said: I call your vote stupid!
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    There is one last argument.

    If We ARE the 2 seers, then there is a 3rd scenario that could play out:
    Kill me, thus VERY heavily fingering Gwahir as a wolf.

    Also, Gwahir claims that He seered Soul, aka, the person was killed night one. I knew there was no way he would say anyone else. It is true that he just got unlucky, however I kinda doubt it.

    Again, this is possibly our last kill.

    If people honestly want to kill some one else, so be it. But my vote stays with the safe numbers of Gwahir being a wolf (2 in 3 vs 1 in 3 assuming we haven't killed a wolf)
  • FaskaliaFaskalia Wechsellichtzeichenanlage Join Date: 2004-09-12 Member: 31651Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1651945:date=Sep 25 2007, 02:29 PM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ Sep 25 2007, 02:29 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1651945"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Also, Gwahir claims that He seered Soul, aka, the person was killed night one. I knew there was no way he would say anyone else. It is true that he just got unlucky, however I kinda doubt it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    That is one good call.

    Just to emphasize this: <b>Gwahir</b>
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