TF2

remi

<!--quoteo(post=1664664:date=Dec 19 2007, 10:56 PM:name=Liku)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Liku @ Dec 19 2007, 10:56 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1664664"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Damn he's a beast. But stickies on the spawn door is almost as lame as Demos launching nades over the top of Dustbowl (third area).<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I don't really think that is lame. I think it's predictable and easy to bypass if the offensive team just sends a spy out cloaked first.

It's really not any more lame than putting stickies on any other door... The map designer could have put "setup" barricades on the other end of those tunnels to prevent it, and then demos would put stickies below those... and that seems like it would be equally as lame.


enforcer, what do you mean by "long range launch sticky bombs" ?

DiscoZombie

he means how you can hold the button down to launch stickies farther. usually not necessary but good for getting distant sentries (or bombing the end of a long corridor like this guy was)

Liku

<!--quoteo(post=1664665:date=Dec 19 2007, 10:03 PM:name=Psyke)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Psyke @ Dec 19 2007, 10:03 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1664665"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It's really not any more lame than putting stickies on any other door... The map designer could have put "setup" barricades on the other end of those tunnels to prevent it, and then demos would put stickies below those... and that seems like it would be equally as lame.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

It's like setting up an SG right around a spawn point. Sure it's preventable and you can get around it, but it's pretty lame spawning to a 3 second life and it's not really fun either.

Align

<!--quoteo(post=1664665:date=Dec 20 2007, 05:03 AM:name=Psyke)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Psyke @ Dec 20 2007, 05:03 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1664665"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I don't really think that is lame. I think it's predictable and easy to bypass if the offensive team just sends a spy out cloaked first.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->So he can get the stickies blown up? Because the doors still open so its easy enough to tell a cloaked spy is going through the door.

remi

<!--quoteo(post=1664688:date=Dec 20 2007, 07:56 AM:name=Align)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Align @ Dec 20 2007, 07:56 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1664688"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->So he can get the stickies blown up? Because the doors still open so its easy enough to tell a cloaked spy is going through the door.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

You seem to not know which level we are referring to... In this level the doors open after the "setup time" and stay open. In other maps though that is one huge annoyance I have, and I'm not really sure how to get past it.



What ever happened to the achievement pack that was coming out?

Align

<!--quoteo(post=1664692:date=Dec 20 2007, 04:16 PM:name=Psyke)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Psyke @ Dec 20 2007, 04:16 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1664692"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You seem to not know which level we are referring to... In this level the doors open after the "setup time" and stay open. In other maps though that is one huge annoyance I have, and I'm not really sure how to get past it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Oh, those doors. Who cares? One-time problem, just sacrifice yourself.

Thansal

exactly, this was on Gravelpit, every one should know to expect stickies. Normally people just put them at the base of the door and they either get blown away or people are silly and the demo gets like 3-4 kills.

This guy put them above the door and was thus able to lure more people out (no one ever looks up). Only problem? They were to far away and he only got 1 kill out of it (and 1 or 2 more from people he had weakened, but still).

locallyunscene

<!--quoteo(post=1664694:date=Dec 20 2007, 10:38 AM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ Dec 20 2007, 10:38 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1664694"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->exactly, this was on Gravelpit, every one should know to expect stickies. Normally people just put them at the base of the door and they either get blown away or people are silly and the demo gets like 3-4 kills.

This guy put them above the door and was thus able to lure more people out (no one ever looks up). Only problem? They were to far away and he only got 1 kill out of it (and 1 or 2 more from people he had weakened, but still).<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
gravelpit and the like are area denial maps. I would expect demos to take advantage of their setup time.

Tip for demos, when charging for that long range shot, if you switch to the secondary fire while charging, your stickie won't fire until you let go of the button. Of course this blows up any stickies you all ready set so it only works for the first shot really. Most people don't expect the demo to be fully charged when they first see him so it's good for surprising opponents at a distance especially if you get a crit.

remi

The charging up thing is neat, didn't realize you could do that.

I blew up a sentry today with that trick. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />

Geminosity

The gravelpit door bomb trick never ceases to amaze me... because people keep falling for it :s

I know some people will 'sacrifice' themselves to clear the bombs out but on the server I play on it's common to have 2 or more demomen chain bombing it so the first explosion goes off, people go 'waii clear!' run through and the second blast is set off. By the time this is done the first demo is already in the process of relaying theirs.

You're best just using the medic setup uber charge trick to bypass it <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />

One spy tactic that works stupidly well for me that I don't see other players using is the following:
1) Disguise as a frontline class <b>from your team</b> (press - to flick between teams on the disguise menu).
2) stick your head around a corner so the enemy can see you and start heading your way
3) duck back around the corner and cloak
4) manouver around the corner and wait for the enemy to reach the location you were at for free backstab fun!

Because they didn't see you as a spy they don't even think about cloaking for a second and instead assume you've run off. Sometimes they'll just keep running in the direction they last saw you but quite often you'll get lucky and they'll just stand there as they think whether to give chase or head back <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />

This tactic always works... always. Even on players who've fell for it 30 times <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />


Oh and as a survivalist player I HATE SOLDIERS and their HORRIBLE CRIT ROCKETS. While I suspect it's not been keeping my scores properly I've often had my streaks ended by a lucky point-blank rocket or walking around the corner to get one in the face.
I've sometimes got so angry about it all that I've gone soldier myself ~spit~ and dominated the server while typing out essays of soldier hate. Unfortunately this leads to everyone else on the server switching to soldier too... not sure if it's because I'm scoring so high or because I'm doing it while typing stuff like "I had been diagnosed with terminal cancer but when I class switched to soldier I was cured! now I'm healthier than I've ever been and I can lift 20 oil tankers with one arm." and "you know hiroshima? that wasn't a bomb they dropped, it was a soldier crit."

I mean seriously... all you have to do is spam rockets constantly and you'll eventually get the crits you need. The only 'skills' required are ones you might've picked up back in freaking quake!

I play pyro and medic for fun but the more I come across soldiers the more I find my interest in the game waning. They're not invincible or anything but they kill my enjoyment of the game, especially when theres more than one (waii! wall of rocketspam!).

Demomen, however, don't bother me <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />

Svenpa

<!--quoteo(post=1664656:date=Dec 20 2007, 02:04 AM:name=DiscoZombie)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DiscoZombie @ Dec 20 2007, 02:04 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1664656"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->very cool footage of a demoman completely raping everyone on the attacking team, 39 points in like 5 minutes:

<a href="http://www.stage6.com/user/Uarmm/video/1965434/Gravelpit-Demoman" target="_blank">http://www.stage6.com/user/Uarmm/video/196...avelpit-Demoman</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Pfft, I can do a killingspree on the same magnitude if I have a medic running around with me every now and then, just ask Crispy. Only thing really killing me often are those super-computer scouts, who hit just about every shot and can detect and evade stickys just as you fire em.

remi

<!--quoteo(post=1664703:date=Dec 20 2007, 12:42 PM:name=Svenpa)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Svenpa @ Dec 20 2007, 12:42 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1664703"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Pfft, I can do a killingspree on the same magnitude if I have a medic running around with me every now and then, just ask Crispy. Only thing really killing me often are those super-computer scouts, who hit just about every shot and can detect and evade stickys just as you fire em.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I don't think I can do that with demo... With soldier sure. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />


<!--quoteo(post=1664701:date=Dec 20 2007, 12:32 PM:name=Geminosity)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Geminosity @ Dec 20 2007, 12:32 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1664701"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->One spy tactic that works stupidly well for me that I don't see other players using is the following:
1) Disguise as a frontline class <b>from your team</b> (press - to flick between teams on the disguise menu).
2) stick your head around a corner so the enemy can see you and start heading your way
3) duck back around the corner and cloak
4) manouver around the corner and wait for the enemy to reach the location you were at for free backstab fun!

Because they didn't see you as a spy they don't even think about cloaking for a second and instead assume you've run off. Sometimes they'll just keep running in the direction they last saw you but quite often you'll get lucky and they'll just stand there as they think whether to give chase or head back <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />

This tactic always works... always. Even on players who've fell for it 30 times <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Heh... I almost tried this once but the majority of the time the servers just have so many people that it's not worth it to try this sort of deception. I just shoot at them with spy, duck around the corner, and then cloak behind them and stab them. Never seems to fail either (as long as you make sure the cloak is fully on before you walk out)

The greatest thing with spy is when someone KNOWS I'm there, and they're chasing me but I cloak and make a little backstep so they continue straight with me now behind them stabbing them. It just makes me wonder how frustrated they must get to wonder how the hell I got behind them and stabbed them. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />

remi

TF2 Update!

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Sudden Death mode is now a server option (a convar) and defaults to OFF
<b>Sapped buildings now take slightly less damage from the Spy who sapped them</b>
<b>The Medic's Medigun now charges at an increased rate during Setup time, to remove the need for self-damage grinding</b>
Fixed an rcon/console command that could cause server crashes
Prevented players from playing the "civilian" class
Prevented players from hiding their name in the scoreboard
<b>Fixed exploit where the Medigun UberCharge wouldn't drain if you switched weapons</b>
Fixed decals not being correctly applied to the world in some cases<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I wish I had known about the "civilian" class....

Spy sapper takes longer now. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />

lolfighter

"Fixed exploit where the Medigun UberCharge wouldn't drain if you switched weapons."

Honestly, I thought that was a feature.

Thansal

<!--quoteo(post=1664803:date=Dec 21 2007, 12:27 PM:name=lolfighter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lolfighter @ Dec 21 2007, 12:27 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1664803"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->"Fixed exploit where the Medigun UberCharge wouldn't drain if you switched weapons."

Honestly, I thought that was a feature.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Same honestly.

The civilian thing was just you spawning as a scout with only a melee attack or something (and reduced speed I think)

Crispy

Thank god they got rid of Sudden Death by default. I might actually have some fun on Hydro now.

Svenpa

I thank thy gods for fixing the doors on dustbowl, incredibly annoying to die just as you get to the front as RED, or your turret sniped in DB2. I'm equally grateful for fixing grenade-over-hourses exploits in dustbowl aswell. Well done.

I don't feel sappers should do less damage though, havn't played yet so we'll see how that turns out.

Thansal

I still fail to see where it says SAPPER deal less damage.

This sounds like his other attacks deal less damage.

so you can't speed up a sapper (as much) by just pistoling it a few times.

remi

<!--quoteo(post=1664803:date=Dec 21 2007, 12:27 PM:name=lolfighter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lolfighter @ Dec 21 2007, 12:27 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1664803"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->"Fixed exploit where the Medigun UberCharge wouldn't drain if you switched weapons."

Honestly, I thought that was a feature.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I wasn't sure if it did this, I had a slight suspicion the other day but to have it not drain if you switch weapons does go against what most players would assume... I think now they just need to make it so that the medic is still ubered even if he switches weapons, otherwise it's stupid...

Maybe I should make a plugin to that end.

<!--quoteo(post=1664819:date=Dec 21 2007, 02:49 PM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ Dec 21 2007, 02:49 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1664819"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I still fail to see where it says SAPPER deal less damage.

This sounds like his other attacks deal less damage.

so you can't speed up a sapper (as much) by just pistoling it a few times.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

This might be true... Now that you mention it it does seem to be worded more in that direction. Would also make more sense. I think it's ridiculously hard to sap buildings as it is since all the engineers just sit next to them with a wrench and so it doesn't make sense to make it harder, but meh...

--
p.s. I'm "Reklys" in TF2, in case any of you see me or remember me from the past and want to friend me. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink-fix.gif" />

DiscoZombie

<!--quoteo(post=1664802:date=Dec 21 2007, 12:24 PM:name=Psyke)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Psyke @ Dec 21 2007, 12:24 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1664802"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->TF2 Update!
I wish I had known about the "civilian" class....

Spy sapper takes longer now. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
the civilian used the scout model and just hovered above the ground without any animations. he couldn't attack. it was mostly just amusing. at least we know that, since it exists, they are or have at least considered a Hunted style map...

remi

Yeah I went and found this: <a href="http://tf2wiki.net/wiki/Civilian" target="_blank">http://tf2wiki.net/wiki/Civilian</a>
after posting...

So does this mean they might be implementing another game mode with the civilian class? and what happened to the medic achievement pack?

lolfighter

<!--quoteo(post=1664828:date=Dec 21 2007, 09:19 PM:name=Psyke)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Psyke @ Dec 21 2007, 09:19 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1664828"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I wasn't sure if it did this, I had a slight suspicion the other day but to have it not drain if you switch weapons does go against what most players would assume... I think now they just need to make it so that the medic is still ubered even if he switches weapons, otherwise it's stupid...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
A big fat <b>nay</b> to that one. If a medic wants to be invulnerable, he can have his medigun out. If he wants it to actually be useful, he can bloody well do his ######ing JOB and find a teammate. It will never ever be acceptable to have medics just making themselves invulnerable and charging in with the syringe gun rather than grabbing a teammate and übercharging together. The medic must never ever retain invulnerability when he switches away from his medigun. Never.

Abra

Yeah, that's just stupid.
Why don't you just equip him with a crit launching rocket launcher?

(would someone English / American please correct me whenever I use the 's or s wrongly? Improve my grammar)

Omegaman

I died laughing at this video. TF2 Trivia for the win. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />

Oh, and warning for Language.

<center><object width="450" height="356"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/JUPzN7tp7bQ"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/JUPzN7tp7bQ" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="450" height="356"></embed></object></center>

Faskalia

<!--quoteo(post=1664976:date=Dec 23 2007, 05:29 PM:name=Abra)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Abra @ Dec 23 2007, 05:29 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1664976"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yeah, that's just stupid.
Why don't you just equip him with a crit launching rocket launcher?

(would someone English / American please correct me whenever I use the 's or s wrongly? Improve my grammar)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

oO

's when you are abbreviating is: "It is an honour to meet you. -> It's an honour to meet you."
s when you are using the plural: "one rubber band -> two rubber bands"
's when you are talking about ownership: "My house is nice, but Joe's is much nicer."

I think that should cover it, but if someone wants to correct me fell free to do so <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink-fix.gif" />

(non native btw)

Zig

<!--quoteo(post=1664982:date=Dec 23 2007, 08:50 AM:name=Omegaman)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Omegaman @ Dec 23 2007, 08:50 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1664982"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I died laughing at this video. TF2 Trivia for the win. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />

Oh, and warning for Language.

<center><object width="450" height="356"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/JUPzN7tp7bQ"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/JUPzN7tp7bQ" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="450" height="356"></embed></object></center><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Yeah, that was on MetaFilter yesterday. I LOL'd

DiscoZombie

the best part is when he made people swear to vote for ron paul before he lets them out

Zig

<!--quoteo(post=1665005:date=Dec 23 2007, 01:58 PM:name=DiscoZombie)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DiscoZombie @ Dec 23 2007, 01:58 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1665005"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->the best part is when he made people swear to vote for ron paul before he lets them out<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
"I support the Gold Standard."

"Hold on, I'm going to go get an admin right now."
"... are you asking him the capital of India?"

Liku

<!--quoteo(post=1664982:date=Dec 23 2007, 10:50 AM:name=Omegaman)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Omegaman @ Dec 23 2007, 10:50 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1664982"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I died laughing at this video. TF2 Trivia for the win. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />

Oh, and warning for Language.

<center><object width="450" height="356"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/JUPzN7tp7bQ"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/JUPzN7tp7bQ" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="450" height="356"></embed></object></center><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That TF2 Trivia is hilarious, but the rest is lame. The guy that called him "Olmec" wins.

Thansal

<!--quoteo(post=1664984:date=Dec 23 2007, 11:59 AM:name=Faskalia)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Faskalia @ Dec 23 2007, 11:59 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1664984"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->oO

's when you are abbreviating is: "It is an honour to meet you. -> It's an honour to meet you."
s when you are using the plural: "one rubber band -> two rubber bands"
's when you are talking about ownership: "My house is nice, but Joe's is much nicer."

I think that should cover it, but if someone wants to correct me fell free to do so <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink-fix.gif" />

(non native btw)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Personal Pronouns are the exception:
Its, His, Hers, Theirs, etc are all possessive instead of plurals.

It's is "It is", instead of possessive of "It".

Those are the major exceptions to the rule.