Hello there! ^_^
Tehsuk
Join Date: 2007-08-07 Member: 61824Members
Join Date: 2007-08-07 Member: 61824Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Just a short question from an old old fan of NS1.</div><img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tsa.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::tsa::" border="0" alt="tsa.gif" /> Some of You might remember that old Clan D.Dozen^ |
If you did you'll remember me as being Alucard, I joined them back in 1.0 when times were good. I eventually became their Cal team leader yaddah yaddah who gives a crap right? Well that's just my background. I haven't played NS Much in the past year because it has simply gotten old what with all the new stuff out.
I know everyone who's still here became constellation members along time ago and are still Die Hard NS fans (Personally I never really wanted to be one even though a few other people in my Clan were LordCyris and Vapors included... Probably don't remember them but whatever. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" /> )
Anyway I just wanted to pose a few quick question for everyone here.
Since the estimated payable amount to play NS2 is in fact $20 and it will be sold over steam... What the bloody hell happens to those of us who don't have credit cards (Or paypal accounts etc.) to send this money electronically through steam? I know you guys will most likely say, DEAL with it! You need to be able to do this stuff online blah blah. But lets face it a large chunk of the gaming world wants to be able to either download their games for free or go to a store and buy it with cash. (A lot of us are paranoid and don't like the whole giving out our bank info... Or don't have bank accounts or whatever their reasons.)
Sounds like a rather pointless question I know but even still...
I for one will have just dumped the entire idea of playing NS2 EVER if I need to go through steam with my money online just to get it. And that being said a lot of people will miss out.
Of course I could be a total idiot not knowing that it will be in stores for sale and if I am someone please correct me now and I will go shoot myself in the foot. ^_~
I just really want to play the new game when it comes out, but it would certainly give me heart failure if I couldn't because of something as stupid as steam and online banking.
Sincerely;
Alucard/Tehsuk/Tactical-Commando
Edit: I am also taking note that NS2 <u>MIGHT</u> go to retail stores after its released on steam. I just saw that one tidbit in an interview I missed earlier. But! Even still, that "Maybe" will crush me in the end, because I will end up going "NS2 IS OUT?!?!?!! Oh... Just... Steam.... Okay then....." *Sad face*
If you did you'll remember me as being Alucard, I joined them back in 1.0 when times were good. I eventually became their Cal team leader yaddah yaddah who gives a crap right? Well that's just my background. I haven't played NS Much in the past year because it has simply gotten old what with all the new stuff out.
I know everyone who's still here became constellation members along time ago and are still Die Hard NS fans (Personally I never really wanted to be one even though a few other people in my Clan were LordCyris and Vapors included... Probably don't remember them but whatever. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" /> )
Anyway I just wanted to pose a few quick question for everyone here.
Since the estimated payable amount to play NS2 is in fact $20 and it will be sold over steam... What the bloody hell happens to those of us who don't have credit cards (Or paypal accounts etc.) to send this money electronically through steam? I know you guys will most likely say, DEAL with it! You need to be able to do this stuff online blah blah. But lets face it a large chunk of the gaming world wants to be able to either download their games for free or go to a store and buy it with cash. (A lot of us are paranoid and don't like the whole giving out our bank info... Or don't have bank accounts or whatever their reasons.)
Sounds like a rather pointless question I know but even still...
I for one will have just dumped the entire idea of playing NS2 EVER if I need to go through steam with my money online just to get it. And that being said a lot of people will miss out.
Of course I could be a total idiot not knowing that it will be in stores for sale and if I am someone please correct me now and I will go shoot myself in the foot. ^_~
I just really want to play the new game when it comes out, but it would certainly give me heart failure if I couldn't because of something as stupid as steam and online banking.
Sincerely;
Alucard/Tehsuk/Tactical-Commando
Edit: I am also taking note that NS2 <u>MIGHT</u> go to retail stores after its released on steam. I just saw that one tidbit in an interview I missed earlier. But! Even still, that "Maybe" will crush me in the end, because I will end up going "NS2 IS OUT?!?!?!! Oh... Just... Steam.... Okay then....." *Sad face*
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I don't know how old you are, but surely if you don't have a credit card you're under 18 - so surely your parents would have one? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
A) Don't have a credit card and
B) Don't have a bank account or
C) Don't trust paypal or credit card transactions over steam
...then I'm afraid you're probably out of luck. I'm not aware of any plans to put NS2 on shelves. I wouldn't rule out the possibility of an arragement similar to that organised by introversion by which they accepted credit card payments directly and posted out a disc, that would circumvent the lack of trust in the steam platform but... of no help without a credit card.
I'm going to venture my opinion that the crossover between people without a credit card or bank account and the people that want to buy NS2 is going to be small enough to ignore.
--Scythe--
Don't do this just because of NS2, but just because generally it's useful to have one around. I don't want to sound like your parents or anything, but it also does help you in not wasting your money as soon as you get a bill under your hand. And like this you won't feel completely overwhelmed when you get a real account (because it's really tempting to think "well, I could go and buy a new ____ and I'll get my money back in three months's allowance", but it's also really stupid) and teach you to keep your fortune in the positive numbers <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
If you can't do that, just ask someone to help you out and hand them twenty dollars afterwards.
I'm sure you have your reasons for not having a credit card.
I'm not sure where you are from, but here in Ireland there are temporary one-time cards available very easily. You top up your credit with cash at one of those multi-vendor machines ( used for pay-as-you-go phone service )
My brother refuses to use any form of credit and has been able to pursue a productive XBox Live hobby using these temporary cards. I think they are just what you are looking for.
My advice: ignore all financial advice on internet forums.
I'm sure you have your reasons for not having a credit card.
I'm not sure where you are from, but here in Ireland there are temporary one-time cards available very easily. You top up your credit with cash at one of those multi-vendor machines ( used for pay-as-you-go phone service )
My brother refuses to use any form of credit and has been able to pursue a productive XBox Live hobby using these temporary cards. I think they are just what you are looking for.
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Random note on those temp cards:
The only advantages on them are:
A) Anonymity.
B) If you do not trust the vendor.
I say this because you can get a free checking account (with a debit/credit card) just about anywhere. Also, those prepaid credit cards charge you an arm and a leg to put money on them (at least in the states), and you generally can only put on predetermined amounts.
Your point B is entirely the point of using them. You can limit your exposure depending on how much risk you are willing to take.
The problem with credit cards is the user is exposed to easy debt. The problem with debit cards is the user is responsible for all transactions. If you lose your debit card to fraud, it is your problem, not he card issuers.
I have both a credit card and a debit card, so I'm not speaking for myself, but I do understand why some people are reluctant to engage in such systems of payment.
In other words, I'm sure it would be better to distribute on the store shelves, but I'm sure we can all agree that a steam only NS2 release is much better than no NS2 release at all.
I'm not speaking in anyway for UWE or NS on this matter, I just see some practical obstacles to what you guys are asking for.
incidentally: you need a credit card to sign up to XBL Gold service. Even though you can pay for your service with game cards, you have to have a CC to create an account. At least, that's how it worked when the 360 came out first day. I ended up allowing my brother to use my CC to create the account.
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I have a friend who does this because he doesn't want a credit card.
I don't have any credit cards nor paypal either but I use my debit card for everything since they're functionally equivalent. Steam is one of the places I have felt most comfortable giving my number to and I'm careful about what stores I buy online and I haven't been burned yet *knocks on wood*.
I know you asked not to post "suck it up" posts but as long as you're careful about buying from reputable places, and diligently looking for phishy webpages/applets, buying stuff online isn't that dangerous.
Even if u do not have a bank you should still be able to talk to any of them about a simple debit card for this purpose. If you do not have one because you dont trust yourself not to abuse it... I think you may be stuck begging a friend to use theirs.
i agree that with a little thought you should be fairly safe purchasing online, However.
I haven't been burned yet either (also knocks on wood).
Either way I hope to go a round or two with you on NS2.
BTW: While I agree that UW will miss out on some purchases due to things like this; I think that the % will be fairly small. Definetly smaller than the loss of revenue from unsold product sitting on store shelves. I can hope that this will be absolutely amazing in its sales but dont expect it (at least not to start). If Steam sales are over the top they can choose to produce boxes for store shelves later.
I can also add that many banks here in the US are starting low purchase power debit cards specifically geared to internet purchases. i would recommend stopping by whatever bank u use and asking them what options they have. Personally, I have a credit card that I use EXCLUSIVELY online that has a low limit. (they tried to raise it on me - since im such a good customer they said - but I made them put it back lower)
Even if u do not have a bank you should still be able to talk to any of them about a simple debit card for this purpose. If you do not have one because you dont trust yourself not to abuse it... I think you may be stuck begging a friend to use theirs.
i agree that with a little thought you should be fairly safe purchasing online, However.
I haven't been burned yet either (also knocks on wood).
Either way I hope to go a round or two with you on NS2.
BTW: While I agree that UW will miss out on some purchases due to things like this; I think that the % will be fairly small. Definetly smaller than the loss of revenue from unsold product sitting on store shelves. I can hope that this will be absolutely amazing in its sales but dont expect it (at least not to start). If Steam sales are over the top they can choose to produce boxes for store shelves later.
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2 notes:
1) many banks will give you one use credit cards if you want. Basicly you set up exactly how much you want to charge, they give you a card nubmer, you use it, and it is no longer valid.
2) In most cases it is the Store that is shafted by unsold merchandise. Once the publisher has sold a copy to the vendor, the publisher has the money and it is now on the vendor's head to turn over the product to customers. This is why most companies run on Just In Time inventory systems where they work it out so they get their delivery Just In Time to replace sold product. As a side note, some publishers WILL buy back unsold product, but not many.
As for payment; not a problem. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
We'd love to put NS2 in retail stores, but that will only happen if we can find a publisher interested in doing that under terms that are agreeable to us, and if that publisher can convince the stores to give the game shelf space. I'd say both of those are strong possibilities based on the interest we've received already from publishers, and the track record of other independent games (like Red Orchestra and DEFCON) going into retail, but only time will tell.
Of course the original poster is probably also interested in CANADIAN retail, which is throws another variable into the mix. To do that we'd probably need a local distributer in Canada or to work with one of the large publishers.
First off my situation is not that of being too young. It's that I don't trust online purchasing despite anyone else's opinion (No offense to steam or anyone else's credibility.
It looks like I wont be getting NS2 unless it happens to come to retail then. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
Good luck to the developers and everyone else then. ^ -^
Thanks again for your help everyone, and once again good luck Max and Flayra and others. (Love the games guys.)
-Tehsuk
P.S. I forgot to mention the "Get a friend to do it" everyone I know isn't about to use their credit card to purchase an online game. (Unfortunately.) even if it is for their friend or relative like me.
I mean the worst thing that is going to happen is Steam is going to muck up during the download or something. I think having to purchase it over steam is a small price to pay for what is surely going to be an amazing game!
Okay Mr 'Scared of Technology'
We can't really help you in this case then.