Rebellion against the swear filter.

Haze

<div class="IPBDescription">COME. ON.</div>I mean, we know, the swear filter is there for a reason. But there are some stupid words censored. Poo-p, Hook-er, horn-y, and hosts more. Last time I checked these forums weren't for little 6 year olds browsing for Barney. No, those words don't need to be a part of every post every three words, but sometimes they're just right to use and make a post genuine and interesting to read.

Can we <i>please</i> tone down the nazi filter?

douchebagatron

from what i understand, it takes more work than its worth to remove words from the swear filter. i remember one of the devs or someone talking about how its all kinds of ingrained into the webcode and tough to get to and change or something. of course that couldve been a load of BS just to shut people up.

Tonee

AFAIK you just add the words you want censoring?

douchebagatron

yea but i think i read something about them using a generic stock swear filter that came with php or something

Xyth

I have a little bit of experience with running a message board (just played with one on my website, it was installed automatically). There was just a portion of the menu that allowed you to write in swear words and type in what you want them to be replaced with... It was really, really simple.

I second this though, we are censoring words that aren't blocked out on PG movies, and we are on a forum for a "T" rated game.

Quaunaut

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yea but i think i read something about them using a generic stock swear filter that came with php or something
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They made theirs custom over time.

lolfighter

Pointless. Not that I don't agree with the premise of this thread, but the swear filter has never been up for debate. It's one of those "our way or the high way" things that you can just forget about. As will proudly be pointed out in the lock post, this forum is not a democracy. You're wasting your time.

TychoCelchuuu

[CENSORED]

Swiftspear

The swear filter is seriously some stupid ish.

Comprox

Honestly, I have no idea when/how the list was made, all I do know is it did grow over time. On that note, I did go through the whole list and see a few that are questionable. We're going over the list now to make sure we are in agreement on the ones on there and I'll let you guys know what we come up with. Some of the obvious ones will not get removed (swearing and derogatory terms).

Omegaman

Finally, I'll be able to say ****!


(see, it's funny, cuz you don't know what word I just said, or if I just put in four Shift+8 thingies)

X_Stickman

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Finally, I'll be able to say ****!
(see, it's funny, cuz you don't know what word I just said, or if I just put in four Shift+8 thingies)
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An Asterix, then?

Also, I too hate the censorship, but in general, I hate language censorship anyway, not just limited to this board.

Rover

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An Asterix, then?
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No, asteri<u>sk</u>s. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />

X_Stickman

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No, asteri<u>sk</u>s. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
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DAMN YOU ASTERIX AND OBELIX! DAMN YOU BOTH TO HELL!

BlackMage

REBEL AGAINST THE MACHINE, MAN!

Zig

*classy* --Comprox

Mantrid

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I second this though, we are censoring words that aren't blocked out on PG movies, and we are on a forum for a "T" rated game.
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Actually, its rated M.

<!--QuoteBegin-'6john'+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE('6john')</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->rom what i understand, it takes more work than its worth to remove words from the swear filter. i remember one of the devs or someone talking about how its all kinds of ingrained into the webcode and tough to get to and change or something. of course that couldve been a load of BS just to shut people up<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I've also run a message board , and on mine there is a section in the admin panel where you can add or remove words and the replacement word from the swear filter. So... yeah. The swear filter is freaking insane. I don't care about the whole, "This isn't a democracy" or "If you don't like it, go somewhere else" arguments, because that doesn't change the fact that the current swear filter is just plain crazy.

Faskalia

Did I hear swearfilter?


SAL######ER!

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puzl

You guys do the cause of anti-censorship a very very bad name by labelling 'moderation' as censorship. Censorship is the denial of the expression of ideas on a public forum. It is not the orderly conduct of a private forum.

Take for example, if you go to a funeral, walk up to the pulpit, and start talking heatedly about how the rights of the house fly are being infringed by the availability of flyspray. If you are ejected from said function, this is not cencorship, this is moderation of a private forum. I'm sorry to have to pick such a stupid example, but I don't know how else to get this point across. These boards are the property of UWE and you have no right to post anything here at all.

Censorship is where an authoritative organisation tries to prevent ideas from getting into the public domain. We can't even come close to doing anything like that, because our small private forum does not represent even a smidgen of the zeitgeist.

Having said that, I do agree that the current swear filter is too harsh. Those of you who think it is cencorship need to go back to listening to ratm <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />

Shockeh

Fight the power puzl!

the_x5

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QFT. phpBB is NOT hard to modify. If you can handle adding in you own custom tags (ie: recent very cool youtube tags) you are certainly smart and skilled enough to do it. *smacks forehead*

Oh wait what's that? Oh you need a satircal example to explain it? Very well...

Oh you got to try this plastic spork, it will increase you life effiency by 130%!!!
But isn't that just a plastic spork like you find at a fast food place?
Heck no! This is like the spork that Jesus used in the Last Supper! See the painting on the wall!
Ooh
Yes, it will make you have no-clip and pwn people while hovering while your eyes are closed. It's yours for the low price of $4 million!
Okay deal.

PS: Drink more Slurm!

Oh should I vote too?

swear filter = effective?
<b>vote <!--coloro:#CC0000--><span style="color:#CC0000"><!--/coloro-->no<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--></b>

actual people moderating = far more effective?
<b>vote <!--coloro:#33CC00--><span style="color:#33CC00"><!--/coloro-->yes<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--></b>

swear filter = stupid?
<b>vote <!--coloro:#33CC00--><span style="color:#33CC00"><!--/coloro-->yes<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--></b>

swear filter ever need more than 10 words (and variations thereof)?
<b>vote <!--coloro:#CC0000--><span style="color:#CC0000"><!--/coloro-->no<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--></b>

a little rebellion for reform?
<b>vote <!--coloro:#33CC00--><span style="color:#33CC00"><!--/coloro-->yes<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--></b>

Viva la revolution!

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...and that's x5's two cents. Bite me. (or is that next to be censored?)

SloppyKisses

oh poopie!


chicks dig rebels!

Mantrid

I'm glad that you guys are looking in to revising it. I was beginning to think that I'd have to start spreading the work around in protest. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />

sherpa

the best one is "w.t.f." coming out as "WTH".

it's thanks to radical heroes like the swear filter designer that we don't get weird kids growing up who go around schooting their schoolmates. you do your bit for society lads, be proud.

Nil_IQ

I just find it bizarre that I can say Poo, but if I try to add a P to the end of it I get censored. I could put in some weird analogy here to get my point across but frankly I think the silliness of this speaks for itself.

And also, no-one was ever questioning the forum owner's rights to do whatever the hell they like with the forum, they can cens- uh, moderate whatever they like. Hell, i'm pretty sure we banned the word "Bob" at some point for reasons I'm not exactly clear on...

The point is, there's a difference between demanding the swear filter be changed because we feel like being some kind of <a href="http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warriorshtm/rebelleader.htm" target="_blank">forum revolutionaries</a>, and <i>asking</i> nicely if the mods, as reasonable human beings who are in a position to do so, could look into this.

I'd like to think we're doing the latter.

puzl

I share your view Nil, but some of these forum revolutionaries have already turned up talking about censorship etc, so I just wanted to nip that digression in the bud. This is not a discussion about censorship, there is no moral high-ground or low-ground, there are simply decisions to be made that help or hinder the community. I agree that the swear filter is too strict, and I agree that politely asking for it to be improved is a positive thing, but when the alleged anti-censorship rebels jump on your cause, they will hurt you rather than hinder you, least of all by getting this constructive topic locked. So bring on the non-sequitur, we fully understand what the swear filter is, and we certainly know what it isn't.

And for the record:
We do not use our own code for the swear filter.
We do not use phpbb, we use Invision Power Board.

Underwhelmed

Looking at today's list of birthdays, not a single person is under the age of 18. I daresay very few people on these forums find swearing obscene, and those who do need to grow the ###### up.

Also, I strongly protest the recent removal of my DO NOW WANT cat picture. It was perfectly within the rules and on topic.

lolfighter

Hell, it'd be sweet if we could have a moderator look over each and every post for swear words. Then we wouldn't have to contend with an unreliable and sometimes outright asinine swear filter.
But guess what? Nobody can be arsed to read every single post here every day. It requires far more manpower than the moderator team can field.

Personally, I say abolish the swear filter entirely, allow swearing, and just outright ban the most foul-mouthed people. But that's just me. If you can't carry on a discussion without calling someone a festering horse ######, I can do without you.

UltimaGecko

I'm kind of wondering why we just don't go with regular TV guildelines and just not allow any of the words not allowed on network TV? That covers your obscene swears, your obscene innuendo and a couple other words, while still leaving the basic vocabulary of a 6 year old words intact, like poo with a p.


And I have no idea where puzl's getting this 'censorship is removing things from the public domain' stuff.

<b>censorship </b> (noun)
1 a: the institution, system, or practice of <i>censoring</i> b: the actions or practices of censors; especially : <b>censorial control exercised repressively</b>
(the other definitions relate to the use of a Censor in Roman times and in Freudian psychology)

<b>censoring</b> (inflected form of the transitive verb censor)
: to examine in order to suppress or delete anything considered objectionable <censor the news>; also : <b>to suppress or delete as objectionable</b> <censor out indecent passages>


You find me someone that considers poo-p objectionable, I'll find you someone who's bat[expletive] insane.


And, Underwhelmed, that's not the point; the point is that Flayra wanted to build an essentially T-rated 'family oriented' game, even if it's based off an M-rated game (your mind will tend to want to explain how a game based off an M-rated game, and R-rated movies can pass as family fun...<b>Don't question the overlord!</b>).

Cereal_KillR

Oh come on, it's not like it's necessary to swear when posting.

puzl

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Oh come on, it's not like it's necessary to swear when posting.
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QFT. It is also not true that we censor the idea in the post. some words are blanked out. It isn't the end of the world.

And lolfighter, I'm surprised you support a solution that will result in bans of people who choose to speak a fouler form of the English language. I'd personally prefer to see a few asterisks in posts than an inflating ban list.

To repeat, I agree that the swear filter is overly harsh, but the basic concept of it is sound.

Another alternative would be to prevent the post until it is free of swearwords. Who would prefer that alternative?