This is the best way to fight terrorism

RobRob Unknown Enemy Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 25Members, NS1 Playtester
<div class="IPBDescription">Scare the little kids!</div><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2007/EDUCATION/05/13/faked.attack.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2007/EDUCATION/05/13/fa...=rss_topstories</a>

At least the law suits will be funny.
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  • KainTSAKainTSA Join Date: 2005-05-30 Member: 52831Members, Constellation
    Good intentions can go so very, very bad. Sucks for the kids and the teachers are definetely at fault but I don't think anyone deserves money for it.
  • X_StickmanX_Stickman Not good enough for a custom title. Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15533Members, Constellation
    "We got together and discussed what we would have done in a real situation,"

    So.... pretty much exactly what they did in this one, which they thought was real?

    This is without a doubt one of the stupidest and craziest things I've ever heard. What, exactly, did they expect this to acomplish? To have kids say "Oh, it's not real, don't do anything" if it really happens?
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    Too bad one of the kids wasn't packing. That would have certainly taught the teachers a lesson, at least.
  • XythXyth Avatar Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22312Members
    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Principal Catherine Stephens said the situation "involved poor judgment"<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    There is no emoticon that is able to truly catch the meaning of this quote.

    It's funny, then it's sad, then it's funny again.
  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    That's pretty f*cked up, but pretty damn funny. Good candid TV; you've just been ZAPPED!
  • SpacerSpacer Invented dogs Join Date: 2003-05-02 Member: 16008Members
    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Principal Catherine Stephens said the situation "involved poor judgment"<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I like how it poor judgement is just involved, rather than being the actual culprit.
  • ThaldarinThaldarin Alonzi&#33; Join Date: 2003-07-15 Member: 18173Members, Constellation
    It could only happen in America..
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1626767:date=May 14 2007, 05:03 PM:name=Thaldarin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thaldarin @ May 14 2007, 05:03 PM) [snapback]1626767[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    It could only happen in America..
    <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Although in, say, Iraq, it would not have been a simulation.
  • Nil_IQNil_IQ Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15520Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1626685:date=May 14 2007, 11:42 AM:name=KainTSA)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(KainTSA @ May 14 2007, 11:42 AM) [snapback]1626685[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Good intentions can go so very, very bad. Sucks for the kids and the teachers are definetely at fault but I don't think anyone deserves money for it.
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    Of course someone deserves money for this. Its impossible for anything to <i>not</i> be someone's fault these days, and if its someone's fault they can be sued.

    Yay justice!
  • puzlpuzl The Old Firm Join Date: 2003-02-26 Member: 14029Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1626767:date=May 15 2007, 01:03 AM:name=Thaldarin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thaldarin @ May 15 2007, 01:03 AM) [snapback]1626767[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    It could only happen in America..
    <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I can see it happening in the UK too, as the country gets more and more paranoid. I mean, just look at the fiasco with the London Underground shooting.

    People in glass houses...
  • PetcoPetco Join Date: 2003-07-27 Member: 18478Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1626828:date=May 15 2007, 02:01 AM:name=Nil_IQ)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Nil_IQ @ May 15 2007, 02:01 AM) [snapback]1626828[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Of course someone deserves money for this. Its impossible for anything to <i>not</i> be someone's fault these days, and if its someone's fault they can be sued.

    Yay justice!
    <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eeny%2C_meeny%2C_miny%2C_moe#Lawsuit" target="_blank">Lawsuits ftw</a>.



    This would have been better if they were simply trying to tell the kids what to do and of course let them know it's not real, you know like in fire drills and stuff?

    Surprising them isn't going to help them.
  • RetalesRetales Panigg cultist Join Date: 2003-08-07 Member: 19180Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1626722:date=May 14 2007, 04:05 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ May 14 2007, 04:05 PM) [snapback]1626722[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Too bad one of the kids wasn't packing. That would have certainly taught the teachers a lesson, at least.
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    They <b>will</b> be packing now, after this "exercise" <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink-fix.gif" />
  • RobRob Unknown Enemy Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 25Members, NS1 Playtester
    The best part of all this is that I heard down the vine not long ago that my old highschool was going to try something like this. Only they were going to wait till all 1500 kids were in a big room, then the sheriff's department was going to storm in wearing camouflage and <b>shooting blanks from live weapons</b>.

    Ouch.

    Thankfully a few of the teachers raised a stink before it went down.
  • BlackMageBlackMage [citation needed] Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17474Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1626866:date=May 15 2007, 07:41 AM:name=Rob)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Rob @ May 15 2007, 07:41 AM) [snapback]1626866[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><b>shooting blanks from live weapons</b>.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    don't forget your adapter!
  • ThaldarinThaldarin Alonzi&#33; Join Date: 2003-07-15 Member: 18173Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1626830:date=May 15 2007, 10:40 AM:name=puzl)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(puzl @ May 15 2007, 10:40 AM) [snapback]1626830[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    I can see it happening in the UK too, as the country gets more and more paranoid. I mean, just look at the fiasco with the London Underground shooting.

    People in glass houses...
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    Somehow I don't think even our failing education system is thick enough to stage something like this.
  • XythXyth Avatar Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22312Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1626866:date=May 15 2007, 08:41 AM:name=Rob)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Rob @ May 15 2007, 08:41 AM) [snapback]1626866[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    The best part of all this is that I heard down the vine not long ago that my old highschool was going to try something like this. Only they were going to wait till all 1500 kids were in a big room, then the sheriff's department was going to storm in wearing camouflage and <b>shooting blanks from live weapons</b>.

    Ouch.

    Thankfully a few of the teachers raised a stink before it went down.
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    Haha, oh wow. Then multiple kids are killed in the resulting stampede.



    Here's what I want to know though, what ARE you supposed to do in a situation like this? Really? "Run away" would be the proper choice right? Wouldn't everybody do that ANYWAY? Or are you supposed to train the kids to charge the shooter?
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1626901:date=May 15 2007, 09:29 AM:name=Xyth)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Xyth @ May 15 2007, 09:29 AM) [snapback]1626901[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Haha, oh wow. Then multiple kids are killed in the resulting stampede.
    Here's what I want to know though, what ARE you supposed to do in a situation like this? Really? "Run away" would be the proper choice right? Wouldn't everybody do that ANYWAY? Or are you supposed to train the kids to charge the shooter?
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    The proper response is a 2 shots to the head 2 to the chest, tight grouping. Of course, for that to work all the kids have to be carrying guns, but the NRA is working fervently on that right as we speak.
  • JimmehJimmeh Join Date: 2003-08-24 Member: 20173Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1626830:date=May 15 2007, 10:40 AM:name=puzl)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(puzl @ May 15 2007, 10:40 AM) [snapback]1626830[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->People in glass houses...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Sink ships?
  • RobRob Unknown Enemy Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 25Members, NS1 Playtester
    edited May 2007
    <!--quoteo(post=1626914:date=May 15 2007, 01:41 PM:name=Jimmeh)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jimmeh @ May 15 2007, 01:41 PM) [snapback]1626914[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Sink ships?
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    Win. I love that movie.

    I think what they tell kids these days is to lock the door and pretend to be invisible. Most of these shooters aren't hardcore killers, so their adrenaline and what not are through the roof. They won't stop to bust into a door if it's locked if they think standing around too long is dangerous. Which it is.

    Any shooters in these kinds of situations ought to understand that they're now on borrowed time. They won't be leaving alive unless it's in cuffs heading for a jailcell. My best advice would be for schools to invest in heavily reinforced classroom doors.

    Running about and making noise is just giving the guy really easy targets.

    [typos..]
  • BlackMageBlackMage [citation needed] Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17474Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1626901:date=May 15 2007, 11:29 AM:name=Xyth)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Xyth @ May 15 2007, 11:29 AM) [snapback]1626901[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Here's what I want to know though, what ARE you supposed to do in a situation like this? Really?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--><a href="http://www.archive.org/details/DuckandC1951" target="_blank">That's easy!</a>
  • the_x5the_x5 the Xzianthian Join Date: 2004-03-02 Member: 27041Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1626685:date=May 14 2007, 12:42 PM:name=KainTSA)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(KainTSA @ May 14 2007, 12:42 PM) [snapback]1626685[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Good intentions can go so very, very bad. Sucks for the kids and the teachers are definetely at fault but I don't think anyone deserves money for it.
    <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I agree.

    <!--quoteo(post=1626722:date=May 14 2007, 05:05 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ May 14 2007, 05:05 PM) [snapback]1626722[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Too bad one of the kids wasn't packing. That would have certainly taught the teachers a lesson, at least.
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    That's just a stupid remark to make. Think before posting

    <!--quoteo(post=1626767:date=May 14 2007, 08:03 PM:name=Thaldarin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thaldarin @ May 14 2007, 08:03 PM) [snapback]1626767[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It could only happen in America..
    <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    That's just a jingoistic remark to make. Also think before posting.

    <!--quoteo(post=1626828:date=May 15 2007, 05:01 AM:name=Nil_IQ)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Nil_IQ @ May 15 2007, 05:01 AM) [snapback]1626828[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Of course someone deserves money for this. Its impossible for anything to <i>not</i> be someone's fault these days, and if its someone's fault they can be sued.
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    If you truely believe that then how about I'm going to sue you. Hell, let's sue everybody until we are all broke and the lawyers are filthy rich. Awesome plan, that'll solve EVERYTHING! Score!!!!1
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1627037:date=May 15 2007, 10:44 PM:name=the_x5)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(the_x5 @ May 15 2007, 10:44 PM) [snapback]1627037[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    That's just a stupid remark to make. Think before posting
    <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Yowch, I'd hate to see you at a stand-up comedy routine.

    "That's a stupid remark to make. Think before talking."

    "That's insensitive. Think before talking."

    "That's vulgar. Also think before talking."
  • BlackMageBlackMage [citation needed] Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17474Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1627037:date=May 16 2007, 12:44 AM:name=the_x5)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(the_x5 @ May 16 2007, 12:44 AM) [snapback]1627037[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->blahblahblahblah
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    By executive, imperial order: you are no longer allowed near the "Add Reply" button.
  • UltimaGeckoUltimaGecko hates endnotes Join Date: 2003-05-14 Member: 16320Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1626918:date=May 15 2007, 01:09 PM:name=Black_Mage)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Black_Mage @ May 15 2007, 01:09 PM) [snapback]1626918[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    <a href="http://www.archive.org/details/DuckandC1951" target="_blank">That's easy!</a>
    <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    I know that's all from 1951 and it's been made fun of in many entertaining ways already, but I swear at 3:09 he says "...and then - very tightly - you cover the back of your neck with your face."


    WE MUST OBEY THE CIVIL DEFENSE WORKER!



    ...(yea, yea, it's old and that 'with' was supposed to be an 'and').

    ...we now return you to your regularily scheduled beration of idiotic choices of people in authority...
  • BlackMageBlackMage [citation needed] Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17474Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1627124:date=May 16 2007, 11:51 AM:name=UltimaGecko)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(UltimaGecko @ May 16 2007, 11:51 AM) [snapback]1627124[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->...we now return you to your regularily scheduled beration of idiotic choices of people in authority...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    actually, the 'duck and cover' program was more successful than people give it credit for. the objective was never to save anyone's life, if you get nuked you're pretty much boned. the objective was to calm the public and prevent panic.
  • UltimaGeckoUltimaGecko hates endnotes Join Date: 2003-05-14 Member: 16320Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1627136:date=May 16 2007, 12:22 PM:name=Black_Mage)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Black_Mage @ May 16 2007, 12:22 PM) [snapback]1627136[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    actually, the 'duck and cover' program was more successful than people give it credit for. the objective was never to save anyone's life, if you get nuked you're pretty much boned. the objective was to calm the public and prevent panic.
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    I was actually referring to a staged assault on students and then telling them "this is not a drill!" when it is, in fact, a drill.

    Some of the Civil Defense films are actually useful...they tend to be better when you get out of the 50s. I know there's one that basically shows having crap in your yard and a bad paint job on your home makes it more likely to catch fire from the heat of the explosion (...with actual atomic bomb tests on 2 or 3 houses). Sure it was in a desert, but still, nuking specially built homes just for a video: taxpayer money at work for good cinema.

    (The morals of this thread so far: nuclear weapons derail threads easily; painting your home will make it less likely to catch fire, if it survives the blast wave from a nuclear weapon; a 'mock school shooting on a camping trip' is a bad idea for numerous reasons.)
  • RobRob Unknown Enemy Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 25Members, NS1 Playtester
    Everybody be nice to everybody or I'll have to lock my own thread. That would make me very sad. SAD AND ANGRY.
  • BlackMageBlackMage [citation needed] Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17474Members, Constellation
    edited May 2007
    see, the "we all hide in the classrooms" sounds like an almost halfway good idea. and it keeps the kids calm because they're "safe." the main problem here is that they actually tried to test their preparedness and found out just how well their master plan worked... kind of like dropping nukes on kids under particleboard tables and plastic chairs.

    i remember in highschool, whenever the principal came over the intercomm and said "Code Red. This is a drill. blahblahsomethingsomething do not panic. Hide and go to your happy place" over and over again, we'd pick up a cordless drill (most of my classes were in the woodshop or the lab next to the woodshop) and wait next to the intentionally unlocked door so we could pull out the infinitely cheesey dundee line while pointing the tool at the SRO in a mildly threatening manner... good times
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    edited May 2007
    <!--quoteo(post=1627037:date=May 16 2007, 01:44 AM:name=the_x5)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(the_x5 @ May 16 2007, 01:44 AM) [snapback]1627037[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    That's just a jingoistic remark to make. Also think before posting.
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    No it isn't.

    Jingoism is refferencing aggressive nationalism/foreing policy.

    Go read Jingo by Terry Pratchet to get a good idea of jingoistic actions.

    Oh, and bomb drills were fun in school!

    Teach: File out of the classrom and don't stand infront of the doors

    Me: Why?

    Teach: To avoid flying glass

    Me: What about the glass display cases that line almost all of the walls in the hallway?

    Teach: ....


    Meh, duck and cover IS a good drill, it does protect you in the case of bombing, but only if it isn't a dirrect bombing. Lots of crappy thigns can happen to you even if you are decently far away from the blast )flying glass is actualy a problem)
  • HazeHaze O RLY? Join Date: 2003-07-07 Member: 18018Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1627037:date=May 16 2007, 12:44 AM:name=the_x5)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(the_x5 @ May 16 2007, 12:44 AM) [snapback]1627037[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    I agree.
    That's just a stupid remark to make. Think before posting
    That's just a jingoistic remark to make. Also think before posting.
    If you truely believe that then how about I'm going to sue you. Hell, let's sue everybody until we are all broke and the lawyers are filthy rich. Awesome plan, that'll solve EVERYTHING! Score!!!!1
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