<!--quoteo(post=1624849:date=May 3 2007, 10:35 PM:name=EMP_Demon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(EMP_Demon @ May 3 2007, 10:35 PM) [snapback]1624849[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> 3) It seems to me like the latter, since he asked if he was dead or not. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, but that could be read in two ways, possibly more, since he may have changed something when he edited his post. He may have meant:
1) He thought the bold-vote rule applied to the narrator's story, and that a death isn't official if the narrator forgets to put the name in bold. (Note for Fask: The narrator can format his story any way he wants, though the red/bold thing has become a convention)
2) He knew he had a role that would enable him to escape death, and was asking if he's really dead, or if he gets to use his power and come back.
Now, #1 would suggest that the priest ressed him. Normally, I'd think that absurd, since the priest has no way of knowing whether or not Fask is human. We have, however, had some really weird and trusting people, so I can't entirely discount this possibility.
#2 would mean that Fask is either an Escape Artist (Human) or a Vampire (Wolf). Now, at this point we would have no way to tell which, since both behave the same way. The difference, according to the pre-game (Which I just re-checked), is that the Escape Artist can escape death TWICE, not once. The only way to determine it (And I'm NOT suggesting this) would be to lynch him again. If he died, he would be a vampire wolf (Can only come back once). If he lived, he would be the escape artist (Or ressed by the priest), and a confirmed human (Albeit a powerless one) who would likely be wolfed the following night.
Personally, I'm more inclined to believe #2. Of course, that doesn't tell us which side he's on...
Anyway, I'm too tired to go over all of the day one posts right now, but chances are the red team(s) went random for the first night, since that seems to be the current fad. Also probably had a guardian save or something... I mean, we didn't luck out and get ONLY wolves, did we?
1) Maybe it's just me, but the seer related abilities seem much more useful and powerful that being able to kill two people in one night, or as Emp said, they decided not to use it.
2) This almost makes me think there's only one evil team.
3) To me, his post makes me think he knew he was coming back. As I read it, he seemed confused about whether he was actually going to be announced as dead, and suddenly coming back, or whether it should have counted as just a failed attempt, possibly because it was a lynch, and he wasn't sure if his ability would work.
ChocolateThe Team MascotJoin Date: 2006-10-31Member: 58123Members
I doubt that anyone was saved tonight just because of the fact that it says on the rules fourm: <!--quoteo(post=1425891:date=Mar 26 2005, 12:14 AM:name=Rules, Faq's, Awards, History, For TWG)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Rules, Faq's, Awards, History, For TWG @ Mar 26 2005, 12:14 AM) [snapback]1425891[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->As a recent change to the way the guardian is played, if a player is successfully protected during the night, the name of the protected player is not revealed. It is simply known that someone did not die that night.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> This I assume would apply even with the 2 kills a night thing (I'm tempted to call it upgrade for some reason) is in effect. I think some clarification by the host or someone else would be nice <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
Anyway, I think Ill go to room 18 and search it. I also do a temporary vote on <b>Faskalia</b> just to prevent from me forgetting to vote <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> (and he's the only suspect we have).
Feels good to be not dead <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink-fix.gif" />
Anyway: I strongly believe in Xentor for pointing out the possible scenarios regarding my role and thus vote <b>chocolate</b> for voting the person who is currently most likely human (according to all available information).
And I move to room 20 and search it in the hope of recovering a chainsaw (with some FUEL!).
btw: what happens, if you are an escape artists and get lynched and wolfed the same day/night? Do you loose 2 of your 3 lives, or just 1?
And seriously <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->(and he's the only suspect we have).<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" /> Chocolate is a wolf and I would appreciate if someone could check this.
<!--quoteo(post=1624889:date=May 4 2007, 12:01 AM:name=Faskalia)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Faskalia @ May 4 2007, 12:01 AM) [snapback]1624889[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> btw: what happens, if you are an escape artists and get lynched and wolfed the same day/night? Do you loose 2 of your 3 lives, or just 1? <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> First, an answer: if you get lynched during the day, then you're dead during the night, and you can't be killed. Thus, this situation can't occur.
Second, I take this (along with the rest of your post) to mean that of the priest/vampire/escape artist possibilities, you're claiming to be the escape artist (instead of being priest revived; clearly you wouldn't claim to be a vampire).
I need to put a vote somewhere, and for the moment I'll put it on <b>Nightstalker</b>.
There were some questions about the guardian in IRC. I can't say for certain how Eternaly Lost is doing things, but since my game is the closest we've had to this, there's a reasonable chance that things went similarly. In my game, the guardian did get a save (due to random.org), and I did not announce it in the thread. (This statement that guardian saves would be announced in the thread was put in the general rules when there was only one kill possible during the night, so the lack of a nighttime death meant that the guardian was successful. I overlooked it, and chances are Eternaly Lost did too.) The guardian was able to protect someone targeted by werewolves, mafia, psychopath, and vigilante simultaneously.
And I just got back from watching Spiderman 3, it was pretty good.
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
So, Faskalia came on a bit hard with the entire "I am obviously human" thing.
There is one option that makes you Human. (escape artist)
There is one option that makes you a Wolf. (Vampire)
There is one option that doesn't make you anything. (Priest)
TBH, lynching you today would be a relatively safe bet for us. We don't know any Team Evil (unless Seer/Hunter picked something up). If you are the escape artist you STILL don't die. If you are the vampire, then we get a wolf kill. If you were a priest save, well, then we don't know what happened.
However, I am not voting for anyone yet. There really is no info yet.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Vampire: A wolf that can be resurrected, after he dies, once.
Escape artist: A human that can escape death twice.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Quoted from the signup thread.
Shouldnt there be some kind of ritual involved in order to resurect the vampire. (you know, resurrected beeing passive and all)
An escape artist can do it on his own, but a vampire needs some kind of helping <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" />
Anyway: The way i see it: You lynch me and I will return again, the next night wolfs will just whack me off. (they pretty much need to do this, because other roles could reveal themselves to me, knowing that I am 100% human) If there is a guardian he could protect me for one day. So you have 100% certainty, but you lost quite some time and manpower in order to proof that I am human.
Other scenario: You dont lynch me and live with the uncertain. This leads to one scenario: Wolves dont kill me, because the know if they attack me they loose a chance killing one of the others.
------------------ To sum it up: Wolves know what I am! Humans dont know what I am, but if humans take action against me they loose a lynch and it will result in wolves killing me the next day unless a guardian steps in. This will eventually lead to me beeing one of the few last humans left in a wolf win, or I am going to get lynched/wolved rather early.
Seems like I am pretty much screwed, cause my role in this game is more or less set <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
<!--quoteo(post=1624925:date=May 4 2007, 01:15 PM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ May 4 2007, 01:15 PM) [snapback]1624925[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> TBH, lynching you today would be a relatively safe bet for us. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It would be a safe bet for the wolves, as I explained in my last post. So unless you are refering to the wolves with "us" (which would of course mean that you are a wolf) I dont see how this is a safe bet for us.
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
"The lady doth protest too much" The more you argue innocents. the guiltier you look.
Again, I am not saying you are a wolf (thus why I haven't voted for you), I am saying we have NO WAY of knowing what you are. You keep on saying that you are obviously human, and I am just pointing out that you are not obviously anything.
Even if you are a human, wolves don't know what you are. You could have been saved by the priest, or you could be an escape artist.
Addendum to: <!--quoteo(post=1624937:date=May 4 2007, 08:08 AM:name=Faskalia)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Faskalia @ May 4 2007, 08:08 AM) [snapback]1624937[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> It would be a safe bet for the wolves, as I explained in my last post. So unless you are refering to the wolves with "us" (which would of course mean that you are a wolf) I dont see how this is a safe bet for us. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> EVERYTHING is a safe bet for wolves, they know who is not on their team.
the safe bet is that you are one of 3 things. If you are an escape artist, you come back again. If you are a Vampire, we get a wolf kill. If you were a priest save, well, nothing changes. (you could have been human, or you could have been Team Evil) Thus, relatively safe bet. If you ARE the escape artist then you are also safe from being killed night 3 (as you will be dead).
Btw, on the note of us being able to trust you implicitly, well, wolves can also easily use you as an unkowning patsy.
And again, I am not attacking you. I am just pointing out holes in your argument. All of your arguments assume that you are the escape artist. WE DON'T KNOW THIS. A vampire would obviously claim to be the escape artist as well, as if they claimed to be a priest save, the real priest (if there is one) would KNOW they are a wolf.
Again, once there is a convincing argument I will post my vote, but for now there are none.
I beg to differ: If everyone would stay low (according to your logic this is what makes you look most innocent) we could just use random.org and roll out a winner <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" />
And everything can work like: You are too agressive thats why you are a wolve! You are too passive, I bet you are a wolve trying to confuse us. Yes, even your favourite scheme aka: "Truely Neutral" can make you look suspicous.
Lets assume you are more right than I am.
-Lynch me, then after you can see that I am truly the EA everyone can reveal their whole ideas on who is who and they can also reveal their identitys and items to me. Then could cross-check it and try to make out who is a wolf. If you protect me, we could do this twice, unless we have more than 1 guardian. And although this sounds like some plan, I still dont feel comfy with the idea of me beeing lynched straight away and even worse, me beeing 100% wolf prey <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
Yah, everything looks wolfish, especially my normal tactic (argue everything, point out everything I see, etc etc).
However your Idea is actually a rather good one.
we lynch you today. If you are alive tomorrow then you are most likely the EA and we can all trust you. You then have to piece out what every one ACTUALLY is.
The one problem is that this could be the situation: You are a Vampire. The priest brought you back last night. If we kill you again, you come back b/c you are a Vampire. (E_Lost, could you confirm if this scenario is possible? Would the Vamp revive trump the priest revive, and have already counted as being spent? Or could this work?)
If you are a human, I DON'T want to kill you (EA or not). I would prefer that we rely on Seer/Psychic/Hunter to find out info for us. Unfortunately we can't.
EMP_DemonNothing to see here.Join Date: 2005-01-28Member: 38754Members, Constellation
<!--quoteo(post=1624951:date=May 4 2007, 08:02 AM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ May 4 2007, 08:02 AM) [snapback]1624951[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> we lynch you today. If you are alive tomorrow then you are most likely the EA and we can all trust you. You then have to piece out what every one ACTUALLY is. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Or the wolves could sit back, let him get all the information on human roles... then if they chose it, wham, convert. You now have a wolf in the center of a human network, who knows all their roles.
I am starting to wonder myself, how humans managed to win in the past <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" />
But lets contribute: Wolves have 2 buffs out of 7 possible. Unfortunately they were allowed to choose those themselves.
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Wolfs can convert one person at any time after game starts, not allowed to convert mafia, wolf team members or psychopaths.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They can do it at anytime. It doesn't cost a kill.
It is fully possible that they didn't take the 'kill 2 people in one night' buff. Some of the other buffs are very tempting. It is also possible that they just are waiting. hmmm...
Personally I think the extra kill is one of the best. It plays right into their game (it speeds up the time remaining).
Let us say 4 wolves, 8 humans.
At this point it would be 7 humans 4 wolves.
If they convert some one today it would be 5/6, aka one kill away from a win.
if it was 3 wolves, 9 humans, then we would be at 3/8 atm. convert and 3 kills wins it for them, so they COULD end it tonight (if we miss a wolf today)....
All possibilities are true, but I also have to wonder about this unlikely possiblility.
Faskalia is a Wolf that got rez'd on the first night by an unexperienced Priest. The Priest, possibly thinking it was best to use their powers asap, thus brought back a Wolf unknowingly. Finding this the perfect situation, Faskalia decided to get into the Human network as best as he can. Why you ask?
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->First seering on a wolf team member will result in failed seering.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If lynching didn't happen and all that DID happen was a seering, the seering could fail due to the above Wolf ability. Faskalia could then get on the Human's good side and bring all the information he gets back to the Wolves.
Of course, this is an extreme of what might happen, and the only other possible situation I saw at the moment. But also, I'd like to point this out.
<!--QuoteBegin-Faskalia+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Faskalia)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->-Lynch me, then after you can see that I am truly the EA everyone can reveal their whole ideas on who is who and they can also reveal their identitys and items to me.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Either you just admitted to being the Escape Artist, or you're claiming the role to get on the Human's good side. But the fact that you're trying to pry for information makes me a little suspicious that you might be a Wolf trying to infiltrate the Human network.. Of course, this is all coming from my observation, and I could be completely wrong. o.x
Now then, I'll keep my vote for now and move to <b>Room 13</b>
ChocolateThe Team MascotJoin Date: 2006-10-31Member: 58123Members
Faskalia, what I meant for "the only suspect we have" is that your the only one who has any faint clue of being a wolf at all. I wasn't accusing you of anything <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
Anyway, seeing that there are only 3 possibilities of how Faskalia got back alive, here is what I think.
I doubt that the priest did resurrect Faskalia because he can't be sure if he's a wolf or not. The odds of him being a wolf is about 25 - 35% (check my numbers, I'm not sure). That is pretty high if you think of it. Also, when Petco died, we can be 99% sure that he was in fact a human, and so it would be a much better choice to resurrect him.
Also, if I were a priest I would probably make a post proving that I will resurrect that certain person before actually doing it just so to prove that I am in fact a human. It would benefit me a lot and easily remove me as any potential target, while helping my team concentrate efforts on the other players which could be wolves.
There still is a possibility that the priest made a mistake and did resurrect a randomly killed person, but it seems unlikely considering that my first time playing I was a priest and I knew not to blindly resurrect the first person to die (who was in fact a wolf).
Now, seeing as hes most likely to be either vampire or a escape artist, but here is what I think of this situation:
If your an escape artist, you wouldn't be really defending yourself so decisively. You wouldn't need to talk us out of lynching you because you could simply tell us to kill you if we honestly believe your a vampire. The vampire obviously needs to convince the humans that he is a wolf more than the Escape Artist. I can understand if you are an escape artist you want your team to win, but still, I find it odd to be defending yourself so vigorously.
Also, if we were to lynch you and you were an Escape Artist, the wolves would know you are a regular human. They know that you have no special ability and wouldn't necessarily target you. If I were a wolf, I would much rather gamble to get a human with a special role rather than kill the one with a guarantied no role. The wolves already know whether or not you and the rest of us are human or wolf anyway.
Alright, with that said I say that I'm not accusing you of being a wolf or not. I'm just pointing out that it's kind of strange how you are handling this situation and the unusualness of the priest resurrection. I hope that everyone doesn't start turning against me for this post, but i felt like giving my point of view. If there are any holes in my argument (which I think there is) feel free to share.
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
main hole is that anyone can have multiple roles, so he could be the EA and a seer/hunter/psychic/whatever (I don't know the max number of roles a person can have, but I do remember E_Lost saying that you can have multiple roles so long as they don't conflict)
<!--quoteo(post=1625030:date=May 4 2007, 02:05 PM:name=Chocolate)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Chocolate @ May 4 2007, 02:05 PM) [snapback]1625030[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Also, when Petco died, we can be 99% sure that he was in fact a human, and so it would be a much better choice to resurrect him. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Petco would certainly be a better choice, but the odds aren't 99% of him being human. First, there's the odds of there being only werewolves in this game. We can't figure that out, because we don't know how Eternaly Lost decided which roles to use. There's a pretty good chance that it isn't only werewolves though (ignoring the fact that we know that only one person died last night). Now, for there to be a second set of bad guys out there, there would have to have been a successful guarding last night on one of the targets. Since there could be up to four guardians, this is potentially more likely than in other games (or potentially impossible).
Basically, I think Petco is more likely a human than anyone else in the game (and the best option for a priest to pick), but it isn't guaranteed or anything.
Completely unrelated, but now that I see what Thansal got, I'm not disappointed that I didn't get it (as long as that's the full effect of the item).
ChocolateThe Team MascotJoin Date: 2006-10-31Member: 58123Members
True, but my point is still mostly valid. Even though it isn't 99% (I forgot the mafia/hunter/etc?), the chances are pretty high that he is a human.
Thansal; arg, moo, bah.... Forgot about multiple roles, but my point still remains valid to some extent (at least the later part of the post, which is more important). Chances are that there he has only 1 or 2 roles tho, thats all I can really say tho <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />.
<!--quoteo(post=1625028:date=May 4 2007, 04:52 PM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ May 4 2007, 04:52 PM) [snapback]1625028[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Mkay, well, I am going to post my move for now.
/me downs his flask of Magic Water.
"you're feet move faster"
/me moves to room 21 <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
K, Thansal uses his magic water.
Thansal can move 1 extra square tonight.
A lot has happen since I last showed up...
Here the order of how ress work.
item -> Priest -> self power -> wolf power.
Remember that there can be up to 3 priest in the game, so claiming to be revived could in fact be correct because there could be 2 more priest to res you.
I have yet to start on the story, I had a very busy day, and I did manage to get someone to help me correct what has already be written.
Aldaris uses Magic Chains on Thansal, Thansal move speed is reduced to 1 sqaure, making his last move invalid.
Because Thansal used Magic water, he can move 1 extra square so can now move up to 2 square today. ...
I make up a location and vote table later, I got a story to write.
On a side note, I am the host and starting to get confused on this, I can only image how bad this must be for some of you in this game...
<!--quoteo(post=1625121:date=May 5 2007, 03:29 PM:name=EMP_Demon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(EMP_Demon @ May 5 2007, 03:29 PM) [snapback]1625121[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Did said psychic say how many wolves we had to start? Otherwise, we could've gone from 4 wolves to three... <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->There were three wolves left, as of the beginning of night two (This is from before Petco died). It does not include any possible mafia or psychopaths. Feel free to post this information, though I would prefer if you didn't reveal my identity at this time.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Eternaly Lost said that the psychic got the number of werewolves during night 1. This would mean that they could see if the person that died during day 1 was a werewolf. IF that message is legitimate (not from a fake psychic, someone actually sent it to Faskalia), then they know Faskalia isn't a werewolf, at least. So, if this is a legitimate message, it would mean that we started with 3 werewolves.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->(not from a fake psychic, someone actually sent it to Faskalia)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I just realized how vague that seems. Basically, there are two potential ways of the message not being legitimate. The first would be that the sender isn't really the psychic. The second is that Faskalia made it up completely. Pretend that it was clear in the first post rather than appended on afterward.
Comments
So, this is starting out interesting...
<!--quoteo(post=1624849:date=May 3 2007, 10:35 PM:name=EMP_Demon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(EMP_Demon @ May 3 2007, 10:35 PM) [snapback]1624849[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
3) It seems to me like the latter, since he asked if he was dead or not.
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Yes, but that could be read in two ways, possibly more, since he may have changed something when he edited his post. He may have meant:
1) He thought the bold-vote rule applied to the narrator's story, and that a death isn't official if the narrator forgets to put the name in bold. (Note for Fask: The narrator can format his story any way he wants, though the red/bold thing has become a convention)
2) He knew he had a role that would enable him to escape death, and was asking if he's really dead, or if he gets to use his power and come back.
Now, #1 would suggest that the priest ressed him. Normally, I'd think that absurd, since the priest has no way of knowing whether or not Fask is human. We have, however, had some really weird and trusting people, so I can't entirely discount this possibility.
#2 would mean that Fask is either an Escape Artist (Human) or a Vampire (Wolf). Now, at this point we would have no way to tell which, since both behave the same way. The difference, according to the pre-game (Which I just re-checked), is that the Escape Artist can escape death TWICE, not once. The only way to determine it (And I'm NOT suggesting this) would be to lynch him again. If he died, he would be a vampire wolf (Can only come back once). If he lived, he would be the escape artist (Or ressed by the priest), and a confirmed human (Albeit a powerless one) who would likely be wolfed the following night.
Personally, I'm more inclined to believe #2. Of course, that doesn't tell us which side he's on...
Anyway, I'm too tired to go over all of the day one posts right now, but chances are the red team(s) went random for the first night, since that seems to be the current fad. Also probably had a guardian save or something... I mean, we didn't luck out and get ONLY wolves, did we?
2) This almost makes me think there's only one evil team.
3) To me, his post makes me think he knew he was coming back. As I read it, he seemed confused about whether he was actually going to be announced as dead, and suddenly coming back, or whether it should have counted as just a failed attempt, possibly because it was a lynch, and he wasn't sure if his ability would work.
4) I agree.
<!--quoteo(post=1425891:date=Mar 26 2005, 12:14 AM:name=Rules, Faq's, Awards, History, For TWG)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Rules, Faq's, Awards, History, For TWG @ Mar 26 2005, 12:14 AM) [snapback]1425891[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->As a recent change to the way the guardian is played, if a player is successfully protected during the night, the name of the protected player is not revealed. It is simply known that someone did not die that night.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This I assume would apply even with the 2 kills a night thing (I'm tempted to call it upgrade for some reason) is in effect. I think some clarification by the host or someone else would be nice <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
Anyway, I think Ill go to room 18 and search it. I also do a temporary vote on <b>Faskalia</b> just to prevent from me forgetting to vote <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> (and he's the only suspect we have).
Feels good to be not dead <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink-fix.gif" />
Anyway: I strongly believe in Xentor for pointing out the possible scenarios regarding my role and thus vote <b>chocolate</b> for voting the person who is currently most likely human (according to all available information).
And I move to room 20 and search it in the hope of recovering a chainsaw (with some FUEL!).
btw: what happens, if you are an escape artists and get lynched and wolfed the same day/night? Do you loose 2 of your 3 lives, or just 1?
And seriously <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->(and he's the only suspect we have).<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" /> Chocolate is a wolf and I would appreciate if someone could check this.
btw: what happens, if you are an escape artists and get lynched and wolfed the same day/night? Do you loose 2 of your 3 lives, or just 1?
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First, an answer: if you get lynched during the day, then you're dead during the night, and you can't be killed. Thus, this situation can't occur.
Second, I take this (along with the rest of your post) to mean that of the priest/vampire/escape artist possibilities, you're claiming to be the escape artist (instead of being priest revived; clearly you wouldn't claim to be a vampire).
I need to put a vote somewhere, and for the moment I'll put it on <b>Nightstalker</b>.
There were some questions about the guardian in IRC. I can't say for certain how Eternaly Lost is doing things, but since my game is the closest we've had to this, there's a reasonable chance that things went similarly. In my game, the guardian did get a save (due to random.org), and I did not announce it in the thread. (This statement that guardian saves would be announced in the thread was put in the general rules when there was only one kill possible during the night, so the lack of a nighttime death meant that the guardian was successful. I overlooked it, and chances are Eternaly Lost did too.) The guardian was able to protect someone targeted by werewolves, mafia, psychopath, and vigilante simultaneously.
And I just got back from watching Spiderman 3, it was pretty good.
There is one option that makes you Human. (escape artist)
There is one option that makes you a Wolf. (Vampire)
There is one option that doesn't make you anything. (Priest)
TBH, lynching you today would be a relatively safe bet for us. We don't know any Team Evil (unless Seer/Hunter picked something up). If you are the escape artist you STILL don't die. If you are the vampire, then we get a wolf kill. If you were a priest save, well, then we don't know what happened.
However, I am not voting for anyone yet. There really is no info yet.
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Quoted from the signup thread.
Shouldnt there be some kind of ritual involved in order to resurect the vampire. (you know, resurrected beeing passive and all)
An escape artist can do it on his own, but a vampire needs some kind of helping <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" />
Anyway: The way i see it:
You lynch me and I will return again, the next night wolfs will just whack me off. (they pretty much need to do this, because other roles could reveal themselves to me, knowing that I am 100% human)
If there is a guardian he could protect me for one day. So you have 100% certainty, but you lost quite some time and manpower in order to proof that I am human.
Other scenario:
You dont lynch me and live with the uncertain. This leads to one scenario: Wolves dont kill me, because the know if they attack me they loose a chance killing one of the others.
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To sum it up: Wolves know what I am! Humans dont know what I am, but if humans take action against me they loose a lynch and it will result in wolves killing me the next day unless a guardian steps in. This will eventually lead to me beeing one of the few last humans left in a wolf win, or I am going to get lynched/wolved rather early.
Seems like I am pretty much screwed, cause my role in this game is more or less set <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
TBH, lynching you today would be a relatively safe bet for us.
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It would be a safe bet for the wolves, as I explained in my last post. So unless you are refering to the wolves with "us" (which would of course mean that you are a wolf) I dont see how this is a safe bet for us.
The more you argue innocents. the guiltier you look.
Again, I am not saying you are a wolf (thus why I haven't voted for you), I am saying we have NO WAY of knowing what you are. You keep on saying that you are obviously human, and I am just pointing out that you are not obviously anything.
Even if you are a human, wolves don't know what you are. You could have been saved by the priest, or you could be an escape artist.
Addendum to:
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It would be a safe bet for the wolves, as I explained in my last post. So unless you are refering to the wolves with "us" (which would of course mean that you are a wolf) I dont see how this is a safe bet for us.
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EVERYTHING is a safe bet for wolves, they know who is not on their team.
the safe bet is that you are one of 3 things.
If you are an escape artist, you come back again.
If you are a Vampire, we get a wolf kill.
If you were a priest save, well, nothing changes. (you could have been human, or you could have been Team Evil)
Thus, relatively safe bet.
If you ARE the escape artist then you are also safe from being killed night 3 (as you will be dead).
Btw, on the note of us being able to trust you implicitly, well, wolves can also easily use you as an unkowning patsy.
And again, I am not attacking you. I am just pointing out holes in your argument. All of your arguments assume that you are the escape artist. WE DON'T KNOW THIS. A vampire would obviously claim to be the escape artist as well, as if they claimed to be a priest save, the real priest (if there is one) would KNOW they are a wolf.
Again, once there is a convincing argument I will post my vote, but for now there are none.
I will also post my movement a bit latter today.
If everyone would stay low (according to your logic this is what makes you look most innocent) we could just use random.org and roll out a winner <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" />
And everything can work like:
You are too agressive thats why you are a wolve!
You are too passive, I bet you are a wolve trying to confuse us.
Yes, even your favourite scheme aka: "Truely Neutral" can make you look suspicous.
Lets assume you are more right than I am.
-Lynch me, then after you can see that I am truly the EA everyone can reveal their whole ideas on who is who and they can also reveal their identitys and items to me. Then could cross-check it and try to make out who is a wolf. If you protect me, we could do this twice, unless we have more than 1 guardian. And although this sounds like some plan, I still dont feel comfy with the idea of me beeing lynched straight away and even worse, me beeing 100% wolf prey <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
However your Idea is actually a rather good one.
we lynch you today. If you are alive tomorrow then you are most likely the EA and we can all trust you. You then have to piece out what every one ACTUALLY is.
The one problem is that this could be the situation:
You are a Vampire.
The priest brought you back last night.
If we kill you again, you come back b/c you are a Vampire.
(E_Lost, could you confirm if this scenario is possible? Would the Vamp revive trump the priest revive, and have already counted as being spent? Or could this work?)
If you are a human, I DON'T want to kill you (EA or not). I would prefer that we rely on Seer/Psychic/Hunter to find out info for us. Unfortunately we can't.
Ninja Edit:
Thus still no vote.
we lynch you today. If you are alive tomorrow then you are most likely the EA and we can all trust you. You then have to piece out what every one ACTUALLY is.
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Or the wolves could sit back, let him get all the information on human roles... then if they chose it, wham, convert. You now have a wolf in the center of a human network, who knows all their roles.
/me smacks himself.
Thank you EMP for reminding me that I am an idiot.
/me goes back to not trusting ANYONE
But lets contribute: Wolves have 2 buffs out of 7 possible. Unfortunately they were allowed to choose those themselves.
This time around we have to contend with a much larger number of possible rules, and we don't even know those that apply.
To host: How does convert work? Do you convert instead of a kill, or do you convert in addition to the kills?
They can do it at anytime. It doesn't cost a kill.
It is fully possible that they didn't take the 'kill 2 people in one night' buff. Some of the other buffs are very tempting. It is also possible that they just are waiting. hmmm...
Personally I think the extra kill is one of the best. It plays right into their game (it speeds up the time remaining).
Let us say 4 wolves, 8 humans.
At this point it would be 7 humans 4 wolves.
If they convert some one today it would be 5/6, aka one kill away from a win.
if it was 3 wolves, 9 humans, then we would be at 3/8 atm. convert and 3 kills wins it for them, so they COULD end it tonight (if we miss a wolf today)....
curiouser and curiouser.
Faskalia is a Wolf that got rez'd on the first night by an unexperienced Priest. The Priest, possibly thinking it was best to use their powers asap, thus brought back a Wolf unknowingly. Finding this the perfect situation, Faskalia decided to get into the Human network as best as he can. Why you ask?
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If lynching didn't happen and all that DID happen was a seering, the seering could fail due to the above Wolf ability. Faskalia could then get on the Human's good side and bring all the information he gets back to the Wolves.
Of course, this is an extreme of what might happen, and the only other possible situation I saw at the moment. But also, I'd like to point this out.
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Either you just admitted to being the Escape Artist, or you're claiming the role to get on the Human's good side. But the fact that you're trying to pry for information makes me a little suspicious that you might be a Wolf trying to infiltrate the Human network.. Of course, this is all coming from my observation, and I could be completely wrong. o.x
Now then, I'll keep my vote for now and move to <b>Room 13</b>
/me downs his flask of Magic Water.
"you're feet move faster"
/me moves to room 21
Anyway, seeing that there are only 3 possibilities of how Faskalia got back alive, here is what I think.
I doubt that the priest did resurrect Faskalia because he can't be sure if he's a wolf or not. The odds of him being a wolf is about 25 - 35% (check my numbers, I'm not sure). That is pretty high if you think of it. Also, when Petco died, we can be 99% sure that he was in fact a human, and so it would be a much better choice to resurrect him.
Also, if I were a priest I would probably make a post proving that I will resurrect that certain person before actually doing it just so to prove that I am in fact a human. It would benefit me a lot and easily remove me as any potential target, while helping my team concentrate efforts on the other players which could be wolves.
There still is a possibility that the priest made a mistake and did resurrect a randomly killed person, but it seems unlikely considering that my first time playing I was a priest and I knew not to blindly resurrect the first person to die (who was in fact a wolf).
Now, seeing as hes most likely to be either vampire or a escape artist, but here is what I think of this situation:
If your an escape artist, you wouldn't be really defending yourself so decisively. You wouldn't need to talk us out of lynching you because you could simply tell us to kill you if we honestly believe your a vampire. The vampire obviously needs to convince the humans that he is a wolf more than the Escape Artist. I can understand if you are an escape artist you want your team to win, but still, I find it odd to be defending yourself so vigorously.
Also, if we were to lynch you and you were an Escape Artist, the wolves would know you are a regular human. They know that you have no special ability and wouldn't necessarily target you. If I were a wolf, I would much rather gamble to get a human with a special role rather than kill the one with a guarantied no role. The wolves already know whether or not you and the rest of us are human or wolf anyway.
Alright, with that said I say that I'm not accusing you of being a wolf or not. I'm just pointing out that it's kind of strange how you are handling this situation and the unusualness of the priest resurrection. I hope that everyone doesn't start turning against me for this post, but i felt like giving my point of view. If there are any holes in my argument (which I think there is) feel free to share.
Bah.... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
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Petco would certainly be a better choice, but the odds aren't 99% of him being human. First, there's the odds of there being only werewolves in this game. We can't figure that out, because we don't know how Eternaly Lost decided which roles to use. There's a pretty good chance that it isn't only werewolves though (ignoring the fact that we know that only one person died last night). Now, for there to be a second set of bad guys out there, there would have to have been a successful guarding last night on one of the targets. Since there could be up to four guardians, this is potentially more likely than in other games (or potentially impossible).
Basically, I think Petco is more likely a human than anyone else in the game (and the best option for a priest to pick), but it isn't guaranteed or anything.
Completely unrelated, but now that I see what Thansal got, I'm not disappointed that I didn't get it (as long as that's the full effect of the item).
Thansal; arg, moo, bah.... Forgot about multiple roles, but my point still remains valid to some extent (at least the later part of the post, which is more important). Chances are that there he has only 1 or 2 roles tho, thats all I can really say tho <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />.
(posting this on the fly)
Oh, and I'll move to room 3.
Mkay, well, I am going to post my move for now.
/me downs his flask of Magic Water.
"you're feet move faster"
/me moves to room 21
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K, Thansal uses his magic water.
Thansal can move 1 extra square tonight.
A lot has happen since I last showed up...
Here the order of how ress work.
item -> Priest -> self power -> wolf power.
Remember that there can be up to 3 priest in the game, so claiming to be revived could in fact be correct because there could be 2 more priest to res you.
I have yet to start on the story, I had a very busy day, and I did manage to get someone to help me correct what has already be written.
Aldaris uses Magic Chains on Thansal, Thansal move speed is reduced to 1 sqaure, making his last move invalid.
Because Thansal used Magic water, he can move 1 extra square so can now move up to 2 square today.
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I make up a location and vote table later, I got a story to write.
On a side note, I am the host and starting to get confused on this, I can only image how bad this must be for some of you in this game...
in that case I will move to room 1
buggerit, millennium hand and shrimp.
I don't know how much I will be around tomorrow so I am going to random.org to avoid a phantom.
11 says that <b>Araithe</b> gets my place holder vote.
I will hopefully be around enough tomorrow to make an informed vote, but I am not 100% sure.
To repeat myself: According to someone claiming to be a psychic there are 3 wolves in the game now.
I also renew my vote on <b>Chocolate</b> cause last time i forgot the capital C ^^
Meh.
To repeat myself: According to someone claiming to be a psychic there are 3 wolves in the game now.
I also renew my vote on <b>Chocolate</b> cause last time i forgot the capital C ^^
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Did said psychic say how many wolves we had to start? Otherwise, we could've gone from 4 wolves to three...
Did said psychic say how many wolves we had to start? Otherwise, we could've gone from 4 wolves to three...
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I just realized how vague that seems. Basically, there are two potential ways of the message not being legitimate. The first would be that the sender isn't really the psychic. The second is that Faskalia made it up completely. Pretend that it was clear in the first post rather than appended on afterward.