Why it doesn't make sense to accuse someone of hacking:
Slyfox101
Join Date: 2012-11-11 Member: 169370Members
Join Date: 2012-11-11 Member: 169370Members
Currently, there is no first-person spectator mode in NS2. This feature is coming soon. Until it is available, there is no point in starting speculation about whether or not someone in-game is hacking.
If you have the inclination that someone is hacking, contact a server admin and have them check it out. Calling that person out in-game whilst having no evidence besides their k/d ratio (not evidence 99% of the time) doesn't do any good.
The big issue here is that you have no evidence, whatsoever. A k/d ratio, unless 100/0, is never a good indicator of hacking. Good players are becoming frustrated by constant accusations of hacking, and I can relate.
I highly recommend the next time you see someone you think is hacking, realize that unless there is a server admin that can investigate, there is just no point/proof in accusing them.
If you have the inclination that someone is hacking, contact a server admin and have them check it out. Calling that person out in-game whilst having no evidence besides their k/d ratio (not evidence 99% of the time) doesn't do any good.
The big issue here is that you have no evidence, whatsoever. A k/d ratio, unless 100/0, is never a good indicator of hacking. Good players are becoming frustrated by constant accusations of hacking, and I can relate.
I highly recommend the next time you see someone you think is hacking, realize that unless there is a server admin that can investigate, there is just no point/proof in accusing them.
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Of course you ignore them, but that doesn't stop them from spamming complaints and getting other people to do the same. I fail to see how this is obvious if people are still accusing others of hacking. Maybe obvious to some.
NS2 ID is different from their Steam ID which can make it very hard tracking someone down, but if it takes a long time to track someone down they are probably not hacking.
Still I am going off their past experiences and have no real proof. Some people are just good.
There are cheats available for NS2.
Nah, the truly good players just laugh it off and keep playing.
When I played competitive tfc, I was called a cheater many times, it didn't phase me or frustrate me at all.
You cannot just prove that someone is using them by quoting their K/D.
Agreed, unless the KDR is just plain unrealistic and the marine seems to know where you are at all times and prefires the instant your hitbox turns the corner.
Personally I've only seen one suspicious person in my 500+ hours of NS2.
Had a kdr of 35 - 2. (Which I've seen from non-hackers)
But I find it hard to believe that this guy was able to take out a pack of 5 skulks with 1 clip of LMG and pistol. Pistol-whipping skulks that are leap horizontally across his FOV, not missing a single bullet.
But once again... I've only seen one person that I could confidentally say was a hacker, its a tiny itty bitty minority.
As the game gains more popularity, I hope that UWE can deal with hackers better, somehow. Although inevitably, there will always be hackers. Just join another server imo.
Thanks for providing proof though.
This is exactly the type of attitude that encouraged me to start this thread. Just because 'you don't think' its possible without hacks, doesn't mean its not. Even though you have no credible evidence whatsoever, besides a K/D of 35/2 (which is not hard to achieve in a public game), you are still willing to claim that person is a hacker.
To me it's just ridiculous, and I don't understand how someone's good play bothers you so much that you have to go to the extent of accusing them. There is just no proof, this attitude reminds me of early CS days, where people used to throw around hacker accusations on a regular basis. Every time someone died in a way that they did not fully understand, the hacker accusation was the first thing on their mind. It's becoming nearly that bad in NS2.
Of course, when I see someone dominating a server, getting hacker accusations left and right and generally making the experience unfun for all involved I don't care if they are hacking or not.
The only kind of cheating I am worried about is the kind of cheating I have not yet seen. That is if people start doing impossible things like speed hacks to get into hives and take out upgrades or some such. I don't think anyone has seen this kind of cheating in NS2, and it is also so obvious that the perpetrator would be kicked/banned. The problem is that if someone like this got onto a server where there was no admin, then it would ruin the game for many people. They could even troll and follow people to a server. There needs to be some vote/kick or something so that servers can handle problems when admins are not present.
You don't need hacks to ruin a server. Getting marine comm and recycling every building as soon as the game starts is something I already see a lot of, and every time, it empties the server.
gj.
My favorite is when someone just looks at K:D and assumes they're cheating. Even if it's just a fade. Oy vey.
The other one I had mix feelings about.
In both cases I let an admin know and they used their best judgment in spectator. You can never be fully sure, save anticheat program
People are consistently accusing others of hacking, so just because this is obvious to you, does not mean it is obvious to everyone.
I'm curious as to why this post is even relevant..
Reasons to become suspicious of skulks:
If I hear a skulk or stop hearing one.
If he disappears behind a corner
If that spot is a good hiding spot
If I look at my map and I havent seen half of the other team for a while. In smaller matches you will actually know who many skulks are in the next room.
If they have camo I will shoot to scare or shoot in areas in order to hit them so I can see them. Or I call it checking.
and
etc... There are soo many other hints you can use.
It is all about learning how to predict the other players movement once you can aim well.
Like everyone says tell an admin, or press shift+tab go to the recent player list check the profile and look at hours played, or see if they are a good alien as well, or check for clan tags, then look up the clan. Just please don't go around accusing every time you see something impossible happen. Sometimes its just some weird lag bug thing too. Its no fun for the accused, we are just trying to have a fun game like you.
TL;DR: When I watch good players or play with them I would not be able to tell u if they hacked or not by that instance alone.
A pro knows where you are going to be before you do, cloaked or not.
Hard to judge in some situations. If you were running and then stealthed nearby, he could have heard you before hand and suspected you were stealth around the corner and just took an experienced guess at where you might be standing. He could have been looking for your teammate who he heard and accidentally hit you instead etc. If you are stealthed and they know you have camo, avoid hiding in obvious spots as they would likely check it.
If for example you were cloaked for awhile already and he was nowhere near you when you stealthed and shot directly at you in the ceiling then it might be suspect.
Just curious, are you aware there is a bug that when shift walking and you change surfaces you actually are audible to every one else yet you make no noise from your pov? Shift walk from the wall to the floor and you'll make a noise the other team can hear (and potentially easily locate) while you remaining 100% silent from your end.
Also, take note to how far away you can actually hear players. Far too many times I hear skulks well around the corner and in a few spots on every map its just painfully obvious where they will be.
Using rich infestation is also a cause of a lot of rage from new players where they think they are hidden from view above or around a door frame but using minimal infestation you actually are clearly visible.
I could go on and on (scans hard to see in alien vision, the fact you show up on the map when the player may not have looked directly at you, ect..). So just because you think you were hidden doesn't mean you were.... Its a absolute silly reason to call hacks..
Not gonna even touch the 29-1 comment. Just be prepared to change your pants when some one goes 50-1.