Lamest Combat-strats

BarbraStreisandBarbraStreisand Join Date: 2004-01-14 Member: 25308Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Xenocamping and more...</div> I'll start with the Strat i hate most: Alien Xenocamping. Get cloaking. hive 2 and 3 abilities and keep on going BOOM. What i dislike most is some ppl don't even bother to try sneaking into Marine Start and attacking the commchair, they just want the "most-kills-with-one-boom-award". IMHO the lamest Tactic in CO.

For Rines I'd say it is the "everyone-grab-a-GL-tactic". This isn't just stupid for the aliens but for your teammates who haven't got one as well, cause you don't see shish kebab when there is explosions and screenshaking everywhere.

Any other suggestions?

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  • TOmekkiTOmekki Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23524Members
    bah. xeno is, after all, so weak that you'd need at least 2-4 skulks to go boom in order to score kills if the marines have any armor. and the counter is ha or lvl3 armor+welders.

    yes gl is pretty lame. but that has been discussed to death already.
  • BlueNovemberBlueNovember hax Join Date: 2003-02-28 Member: 14137Members, Constellation
    edited March 2004
    Spawn camping. Period. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    It's one thing killing someone who spawns as you are attacking cc/hive, and another to just wait as a cloaked fade / shottie marine to nail anyone who spawns with a single swipe/blast. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Diablo_fxDiablo_fx Join Date: 2003-02-21 Member: 13793Members
    Xeno spam, gl spam. most stupid tactics ever. Sad to see so many consties and vets use them <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-BlueNovember+Mar 25 2004, 11:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BlueNovember @ Mar 25 2004, 11:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Spawn camping. Period. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    It's one thing killing someone who spawns as you are attacking cc/hive, and another to just wait as a cloaked fade / shottie marine to nail anyone who spawns with a single swipe/blast. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I do that constantly. Its called "Supressing reinforcements" <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • UKchaosUKchaos Join Date: 2002-08-10 Member: 1132Members
    webs

    'nuff said <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • RetalesRetales Panigg cultist Join Date: 2003-08-07 Member: 19180Members
    GL, since grenades blast radius is HUUUUUGE <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • AlienCowAlienCow Join Date: 2003-09-20 Member: 21040Members
    I use xenocide all the time. Can't get enough of it. There's nothing you can do about it, and I don't think its lame or particularly common either - if its so bad why is it in the game?
    <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    If marines are clever enough they can prevent xenocide going off - so deal with it. If the skulk is cloaking "waste" your points on getting scan. Bet a bigger gun, shoot em before they get to you - there are so many ways to combat it that it can't be lame. If you wont spend your points on scan then its your own problem - which brings me on to the lamest tactic in CO.
    People just dont give a damn about the team - "We need welders!!!" - so someone else will get one, I dont need to waste a point....same with scan. It ruins the game really, and its sad that its the same people that are massively helping the team every game. Therefore the lamest tactic is self preservation.

    I've gone a bit OTT methinks <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • That_Annoying_KidThat_Annoying_Kid Sire of Titles Join Date: 2003-03-01 Member: 14175Members, Constellation
    how about we stop focusing on "what is lame" about combat, and start looking at positives, is it just me or has the NS community kinda gotten colder / more negative?

    effective xeno rushes take TEAMWORK, as one xenocide won't to much unless you are all hurt, effective GL spam also takes teamwork, as we all know the reload time isn't the quickest so people need to cover the GLer. Also it becomes a trivial matter of dodging 4 grenades, then anihilating When you encounter webs, get a welder [you should have one if you ever weld the comm chair or teamates] and suddenly the webs aren't a problem.
  • KeyserKeyser Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13591Members
    GL is only effective against skulks, gorges, and dim-witted lerks. Fades and Onos pay no mind to GL spam.
  • Thats_EnoughThats_Enough USA Join Date: 2004-03-04 Member: 27141Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-Diablo_fx+Mar 25 2004, 11:50 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Diablo_fx @ Mar 25 2004, 11:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Xeno spam, gl spam. most stupid tactics ever. Sad to see so many consties and vets use them <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Interesting generalization. Please elaborate.

    Anyway. Xeno and GL spam is definitely the most annoying. However, I tend to go xeno skulk if I know there are people on my team going to go onos/fade/etc. Going xeno skulk keeps the marines busy, not allowing them to level up so quick, while the rest of the alien team can level up and destory the rines. Yeah, xeno is cheap, but so is GL spam, so I think it all evens out.

    The worst CO games are when the entire alien team decides to go SUPER SKULK thinking it's SO GREAT. Then they realize skulk is garbage against 3 HA and JPs. But what do you expect? In my opnion, CO brings out the more rambo-style and I WANT KILLS" style of players. From experience, I know for a fact that my friend has only now started playing NS (he's in CAL-im for CS) and doesn't care for old-school NS, only for CO.

    *sigh* <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • BarbraStreisandBarbraStreisand Join Date: 2004-01-14 Member: 25308Members
    Well, to me "lame strats" are strats that don't need ANY skills. Sitting cloaked outside rine start and waiting till three or four rines walk by then xenoing IS such a strat.

    Same thing with the GL: Some guys REALLY know how to use it, sadly most DON'T and keep spamming and spamming and that's pointless imho.
  • BarbraStreisandBarbraStreisand Join Date: 2004-01-14 Member: 25308Members
    webs are cool though and really part of the khaara strategy. I'm not talking about abilities in general but about abusing them...
  • kavasakavasa Join Date: 2003-01-05 Member: 11889Members, Constellation
    I like how people try to say "well such and such an ability is ok but only if used in ways that don't make me feel bad". An alien team that shoots exclusively for xenocide skulks will get its face knocked in by a marine team that makes use of HA and welders. A marine team with a lot of GLs will get manhandled by fades and onos. An alien team that beats you with a mixture of fades gorges lerks onos and xenoskulks <b>outplayed you</b>, deal with it.

    As for spawncamping, you <i>need</i> to leave the CC alone for a minute or so, until your whole team has spawned and made its way to marine start - otherwise you'll be picked off from the chair. It sucks, but getting outplayed always sucks.

    The thing that bothers me about combat is that any decent alien team with 2-3 gorges will probably live long enough to get hordes of onos and win. But I haven't reached an iron-clad conclusion there yet, so.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    <span style='color:white'>***Moved.***</span>
  • ForlornForlorn Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2634Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin-Keyser59+Mar 25 2004, 01:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Keyser59 @ Mar 25 2004, 01:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> GL is only effective against skulks, gorges, and dim-witted lerks. Fades and Onos pay no mind to GL spam. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Lerks have a hella trouble against GL's when you are playing 10v10 or more
  • Ph0enixPh0enix Join Date: 2002-10-08 Member: 1462Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-kavasa+Mar 25 2004, 06:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kavasa @ Mar 25 2004, 06:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The thing that bothers me about combat is that any decent alien team with 2-3 gorges will probably live long enough to get hordes of onos and win. But I haven't reached an iron-clad conclusion there yet, so. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Ditto. A single player willing to go gorge and get web pretty much guarantees an alien win. God forbid you get more than one.
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