That is not a "Gorge Fortress" Thats a gorge who is too much of a poor sport to get a new game on.
A true "Gorge Fortress" is a mini base that a gorge builds on the frontlines of attack, to assist teammates in healing, and if you have it, Bilebomb and Web.
Thats true a gorge fortress should aid the team, that why I think the best place for one is holding down an RT and you just hold it off as long as you can and hey if you get 40 res make a break for a hive.
<!--QuoteBegin-Avenger-X+Mar 21 2004, 01:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Avenger-X @ Mar 21 2004, 01:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Nefilim+Mar 21 2004, 02:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nefilim @ Mar 21 2004, 02:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> There's a difference between "fighting to then end when you still have a chance to win" and "just trying to survive because you've already lost the game." <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> ok so when do you not have a chance? as long as theres spit in your mouth and res in your belly you have a chance I've played half life mods for a while now, maybe not as long as some, but I've seen some amazing comebacks from things that I would never have thought could have been pulled off. and if people just give up that easily then whats the piont of playing at all? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> There is no chance for a no-hive gorge to beat a team of marines with heavy weapons.
None.
Even if you got that last hive up, the HA train will just come in and kill it within 5 seconds. Your team of hive-1 skulks won't do jack against them.
There is no chance in Hell that a marine team will defeat an entire team of three-hive fades, lerks, and onos (who all have 100 res to evolve again if they die) when they only have one resource tower. I've been playing for over a year and I haven't seen <b>a single game</b> where marines made a come-back with one resource tower.
The best come-back I've ever seen was when aliens had sensory/defense, 7 RTs, and we had doubles and a hive... and we had a great comm to pull it all off too. Even still, we were a hair from losing it all. That just goes to tell me that marines in more desperate situations are absolutely hopeless.
<!--QuoteBegin-Nefilim+Mar 21 2004, 08:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nefilim @ Mar 21 2004, 08:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> [QUOTE=Avenger-X,Mar 21 2004, 01:53 PM] There is no chance for a no-hive gorge to beat a team of marines with heavy weapons.
None.
There is no chance in Hell that a marine team will defeat an entire team of three-hive fades, lerks, and onos (who all have 100 res to evolve again if they die) when they only have one resource tower. I've been playing for over a year and I haven't seen <b>a single game</b> where marines made a come-back with one resource tower.
The best come-back I've ever seen was when aliens had sensory/defense, 7 RTs, and we had doubles and a hive... and we had a great comm to pull it all off too. Even still, we were a hair from losing it all. That just goes to tell me that marines in more desperate situations are absolutely hopeless. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I once saved the game as a gorge by sneaking in a hive before all the hives got completely locked down. It's not impossible...just extremely rare. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Avenger-X+Mar 21 2004, 02:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Avenger-X @ Mar 21 2004, 02:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Nefilim+Mar 21 2004, 02:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nefilim @ Mar 21 2004, 02:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> There's a difference between "fighting to then end when you still have a chance to win" and "just trying to survive because you've already lost the game." <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> ok so when do you not have a chance? as long as theres spit in your mouth and res in your belly you have a chance I've played half life mods for a while now, maybe not as long as some, but I've seen some amazing comebacks from things that I would never have thought could have been pulled off. and if people just give up that easily then whats the piont of playing at all? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> This was true in 1.0, when you could build multiple hives. Many times in 1.0 I was the gorge, we lost the last hive, but I'd already ran to the other hives and put both of them up. The mariens could not respond fast enough in that case.
Now in 3.0, you can have only one hive building at a time, and with the vastly reduced cost and research times of marine buildings, its far easier to set up a mini-base in each hive as you take it, preventing any rogue gorges from putting up the hive. Plus, with the added ping, as soon as it stops, you (the marines) know a hive has been put up. Theres only 3 locations where this can be done, so it takes far less time for the marines to check those locations that it does for the hive to build.
exactly, so the fortress isn't bad, its just your intentions. if you just want to prolong the game then thats not cool. but if think you have a chance of saving it then by all means go for it all the way.
<!--QuoteBegin-Avenger-X+Mar 21 2004, 03:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Avenger-X @ Mar 21 2004, 03:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> exactly, so the fortress isn't bad, its just your intentions. if you just want to prolong the game then thats not cool. but if think you have a chance of saving it then by all means go for it all the way. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> No, its still bad, due to the way the game currently works. If you've lost your last hive, you have <b>absolutly zero</b> chance of recovering the game. Its not possible, unless the entire marine team quits.
maybe your right and the odds are so small of you being able to save the game. but on the other hand it doesn't take a rine team long to find a gorge at the end of the game maybe like 1-2 minutes tops so while theres little chance of success theres allso little chance of it taking long.
The point is prolonging the game mearly for the sake of your own ego is bad mm'kay?
No-one likes to sit in limbo for even a few minutes watching a gorge huddle is some vent. You may think its fun, but your just **** off your team, and probably the marines as well. So just don't do it.
The only no-hive comebacks I've ever seen have been as a result of the team still having an Onos/Fade to hold marines back until the hive goes up. What you're talking about now is ONE gorge hiding out with a bunch of D chambers to save res to put a hive back up(usually at no more than one node). Even if you did manage to evade the marines hunting you long enough to put up a hive, it will be completely undefended(no new chambers, no skulks) and the marines need only crush it in the next couple of minutes before it finishes. It is a waste of everyone's time.
thats a good piont a lone gorge would have very very slim chances, but on the other hand with a little team work if some other aliens escaped with you to your RT fortress then maybe you'd still have a chance. cuz I dunno bout you but no hive comebacks are fun to play.
Even if it does waste people's time, I've rarely seen an Alien team oppose the construction of a new hive in a no-hive situation. It's a much more constructive use of res than hiding in a vent with 3 other Skulks and a handful of DCs. To me, it at least shows an attempt to selflessly spend res to try and reverse a bad situation, although it's given that a few no-hive Skulks and Gorges can't hold off fully upgraded HAs; but fighting to the very end is moreso enjoyable than waiting to have grenades fired up your rear end.
thats the piont I'm trying to get across I don't want the idea of fortressing to be hide as long as you can I want it to be see if you can turn things around however bad the odds are, which means you don't hide in vents and stuff like that.
The only way "fortressing" can aid a team in reversing a no-hive situation is providing a lvl 3 ability to the team. The term used for turning around a bad situation is called "teamork".
yeah you got a point there that was a poor usage of words on my part, but I think there should be less vent hiding because it is not any fun for the rest of the alien team. ( course if you got your whole team to go skulks and hide toghther in a vent that'd be kinda amusing) but thats besides the piont
<!--QuoteBegin-Avenger-X+Mar 21 2004, 02:06 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Avenger-X @ Mar 21 2004, 02:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Your down to your last hive, The the terret factorys nearly up and a heavie train is marching your way. you know you can't win the fight so as a skulk with some spare res you scurry up a vent somewhere and find a small place to throw togther as many DCs as you can before the end. then of course the hive goes down and then beggings the search for the fortress gorges that are hid away in some far off vent.
now the question is is that right or is that wrong? while its fun to play fortress and see how many JPers you can spit kill but on the other hand it drags out the game and isn't much fun for the rest of the alien team you left to die and rot at the hive.
I just want your opion on the matter of gorge fortresses and what you think about them. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You need to read your first post again.
You go from hiding in a vent and then it shouldn't be about hiding in a vent?
Play the game and when the heavy train is coming for you hive, fight, evolve or drop chambers in the hive and then live or die.
Don't
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->as a skulk with some spare res you scurry up a vent somewhere and find a small place to throw togther as many DCs as you can before the end.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's pointless and annoying watch a lone player hold on to some extra time in a game.
first of all that was a hypathetical statement to see what the general opion was of vent fortresses. did I say that that was MY idea of what it should be? did I ? huh ? no I didn't that was just a hypothetical thing.
see and thats the general opion is not to vent fortress so anyone reading this see's that most people don't like it, thats the purpose of the forums is to exchange ideas and opions and what not.
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A true "Gorge Fortress" is a mini base that a gorge builds on the frontlines of attack, to assist teammates in healing, and if you have it, Bilebomb and Web.
There's a difference between "fighting to then end when you still have a chance to win" and "just trying to survive because you've already lost the game." <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
ok so when do you not have a chance? as long as theres spit in your mouth and res in your belly you have a chance I've played half life mods for a while now, maybe not as long as some, but I've seen some amazing comebacks from things that I would never have thought could have been pulled off. and if people just give up that easily then whats the piont of playing at all? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There is no chance for a no-hive gorge to beat a team of marines with heavy weapons.
None.
Even if you got that last hive up, the HA train will just come in and kill it within 5 seconds. Your team of hive-1 skulks won't do jack against them.
There is no chance in Hell that a marine team will defeat an entire team of three-hive fades, lerks, and onos (who all have 100 res to evolve again if they die) when they only have one resource tower. I've been playing for over a year and I haven't seen <b>a single game</b> where marines made a come-back with one resource tower.
The best come-back I've ever seen was when aliens had sensory/defense, 7 RTs, and we had doubles and a hive... and we had a great comm to pull it all off too. Even still, we were a hair from losing it all. That just goes to tell me that marines in more desperate situations are absolutely hopeless.
Bottom line from here: Rationalize as much as you want, if you're slayed/kicked for doing it, don't be surprised.
There is no chance for a no-hive gorge to beat a team of marines with heavy weapons.
None.
There is no chance in Hell that a marine team will defeat an entire team of three-hive fades, lerks, and onos (who all have 100 res to evolve again if they die) when they only have one resource tower. I've been playing for over a year and I haven't seen <b>a single game</b> where marines made a come-back with one resource tower.
The best come-back I've ever seen was when aliens had sensory/defense, 7 RTs, and we had doubles and a hive... and we had a great comm to pull it all off too. Even still, we were a hair from losing it all. That just goes to tell me that marines in more desperate situations are absolutely hopeless. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I once saved the game as a gorge by sneaking in a hive before all the hives got completely locked down. It's not impossible...just extremely rare. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
There's a difference between "fighting to then end when you still have a chance to win" and "just trying to survive because you've already lost the game." <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
ok so when do you not have a chance? as long as theres spit in your mouth and res in your belly you have a chance I've played half life mods for a while now, maybe not as long as some, but I've seen some amazing comebacks from things that I would never have thought could have been pulled off. and if people just give up that easily then whats the piont of playing at all? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
This was true in 1.0, when you could build multiple hives. Many times in 1.0 I was the gorge, we lost the last hive, but I'd already ran to the other hives and put both of them up. The mariens could not respond fast enough in that case.
Now in 3.0, you can have only one hive building at a time, and with the vastly reduced cost and research times of marine buildings, its far easier to set up a mini-base in each hive as you take it, preventing any rogue gorges from putting up the hive. Plus, with the added ping, as soon as it stops, you (the marines) know a hive has been put up. Theres only 3 locations where this can be done, so it takes far less time for the marines to check those locations that it does for the hive to build.
No, its still bad, due to the way the game currently works. If you've lost your last hive, you have <b>absolutly zero</b> chance of recovering the game. Its not possible, unless the entire marine team quits.
No-one likes to sit in limbo for even a few minutes watching a gorge huddle is some vent. You may think its fun, but your just **** off your team, and probably the marines as well. So just don't do it.
now the question is is that right or is that wrong? while its fun to play fortress and see how many JPers you can spit kill but on the other hand it drags out the game and isn't much fun for the rest of the alien team you left to die and rot at the hive.
I just want your opion on the matter of gorge fortresses and what you think about them. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You need to read your first post again.
You go from hiding in a vent and then it shouldn't be about hiding in a vent?
Play the game and when the heavy train is coming for you hive, fight, evolve or drop chambers in the hive and then live or die.
Don't
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->as a skulk with some spare res you scurry up a vent somewhere and find a small place to throw togther as many DCs as you can before the end.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's pointless and annoying watch a lone player hold on to some extra time in a game.
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