Are Gorge Fortresses Morally Right?

AvengerXAvengerX Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27459Banned
<div class="IPBDescription">Its a tuff question to figure</div> Your down to your last hive, The the terret factorys nearly up and a heavie train is marching your way. you know you can't win the fight so as a skulk with some spare res you scurry up a vent somewhere and find a small place to throw togther as many DCs as you can before the end. then of course the hive goes down and then beggings the search for the fortress gorges that are hid away in some far off vent.

now the question is is that right or is that wrong? while its fun to play fortress and see how many JPers you can spit kill but on the other hand it drags out the game and isn't much fun for the rest of the alien team you left to die and rot at the hive.

I just want your opion on the matter of gorge fortresses and what you think about them.
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  • Boy_who_lost_his_wingsBoy_who_lost_his_wings Join Date: 2003-12-03 Member: 23924Banned
    I think it's morally wrong to spell like that.
  • AvengerXAvengerX Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27459Banned
    yeah I know my spelling is really bad, I probly should spell check next time. but then again you don't need to spell much to play NS like I can type words like readyroom and /kill in my consol so its all good
  • RaVeRaVe Join Date: 2003-06-20 Member: 17538Members
    :/

    It's both

    Why it's morally good : Marines can do it why can't we?
    Why it's morally bad : Prolong the game ololololol

    Together with SCs,MCs and DCs, you could say that will prolong the game for who knows how long....
  • AvengerXAvengerX Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27459Banned
    yeah I've built some fortresses that have been pretty impressive course the fate of all fortresses no matter how grand is the siege cannon. they allways find you and they allways siege after you take down a couple JPers
  • SiDSquishySiDSquishy Join Date: 2003-10-15 Member: 21704Members
    The answer is no. Why? Because it drags the game out. I couldn't care less once the games over what you do with your res but let it end. It's not like the marines arn't going to freaking find you. In 1.03 with new spots and being able to build ontop of skulks heads while they were on the wall it was MILDLY entertaining finding new spots with friends.

    NOW ITS NOT.
  • AvengerXAvengerX Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27459Banned
    that is true but what if you fortified a RT and managed to save for a hive and build the hive and come back and win the game! true it wouldn't be very pratical at all but theres allways that small chance of hope
  • JavertJavert Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15954Members
    It's not really a question of morality, that's for the Discussion forum <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
    It's just a matter of ettiquette and plus some survivalist fun factor.
    Besides, some servers just end the game when the hive and all but ONE player is left.
  • NefilimNefilim Join Date: 2003-08-09 Member: 19222Members, Constellation
    What's worse is when marine commanders see that they messed up, then drop a bunch of GLs and HMGs in base with whatever res is left. The games always end up being much longer than they should be.

    A gorge fortress takes less than two minutes to kill.

    My best times as a losing marine at the end of the game was to recycle everything but the armory and arms lab, then drop a bunch of shotguns for the remaining marines. It's entertaining to see how many fades and onos we can take down before they kill the last one of us; and it only takes about 2 minutes to end the game.
  • Boy_who_lost_his_wingsBoy_who_lost_his_wings Join Date: 2003-12-03 Member: 23924Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin-Avenger-X+Mar 21 2004, 02:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Avenger-X @ Mar 21 2004, 02:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I can type words like readyroom and /kill in my consol so its all good <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    aaahhahahah thats gold
  • AvengerXAvengerX Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27459Banned
    so I think we can agree that its ok for a gorge fortress at the end of game cuz it doesn't take long to kill one anyways. but what about thoose gorges that build one the entire game and don't even try to help the team thats something that I don't care for and I feel is a disgrace to the gorge and what it stands for
  • SiDSquishySiDSquishy Join Date: 2003-10-15 Member: 21704Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->so I think we can agree that its ok for a gorge fortress at the end of game cuz it doesn't take long to kill one anyways. but what about thoose gorges that build one the entire game and don't even try to help the team thats something that I don't care for and I feel is a disgrace to the gorge and what it stands for <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    No we can't agree. Its wrong in both cases. Why? Because it bores me and in the end ns is all about me.
  • AvengerXAvengerX Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27459Banned
    rines don't just give up, so neither should aliens. and the all about you attitude is the worst attitude for NS. NS is about teamwork thats the way teams win the game alien or rines is by working toghther to win.
  • ZekZek Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 7962Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited March 2004
    Avenger, how exactly will the aliens win if the only remaining player is a gorge hiding in a vent with his DCs? It's not done as an attempted comeback, it's done to prolong the game for no reason.

    It doesn't really have anything to do with morals, but laming up to prolong the game(For either side) is stupid and completely counter-productive. It's not really a problem at all with hidden DC farms though. Find the gorge by his healing sounds(no hives = constantly healing) and/or MT, and use siege/GLs/JPs to flush it out. Game over. I just wish aliens could do something like that about marines. No amount of laming can save a doomed alien team from marine sieges, but cracking a well defended marine base is absolute hell regardless of how much map control you have.
  • RedWingateRedWingate Join Date: 2004-03-15 Member: 27349Members, Constellation
    edited March 2004
    Wow there you can see the effects of evolution:

    turrets - turrents - terrets (soon terrents ?)

    ....impressive.... <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • panda_de_malheureuxpanda_de_malheureux Join Date: 2003-12-26 Member: 24775Members
    depends if its lame or not, if your whole team is telling u to just die, just die. if theyre all lolololing keep going
  • Norml_E_HighNorml_E_High Join Date: 2003-03-30 Member: 15055Members
    Best part is when you can get a bunch of dcs + 3 MCs. Then they can only find you by spotting you, or finding you with scan. <3 silence regnerating.
  • KaMiKaZe1KaMiKaZe1 Join Date: 2002-11-18 Member: 9196Members
    God bless admin slaying.
  • BarbraStreisandBarbraStreisand Join Date: 2004-01-14 Member: 25308Members
    Maybe it's stupid for your team to prolong the game, but personally I find it quite amusing as a rine to hunt down the last gorges and smoke'em out of their caves... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • AvengerXAvengerX Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27459Banned
    yeah I agree with barbra its part of the game, and yes it can be fruststraiting to the rines but then again there are lots of frustraiting things in the games. like CO games all toghther but that's for another forum.
  • paranoid1paranoid1 Join Date: 2003-06-07 Member: 17072Members
    It's wrong and just prolongs a game.

    I don't care if the other players are laughing, IF i had admin i would slay you right away.

    Those chambers and yourself might have tipped the balance defending the last hive, but no you crept in a vent and built a fortress, the hive dies and i have to wait for you too die so we can start another game. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    great...gg

    admin = slay is the best <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • AvengerXAvengerX Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27459Banned
    I see what your saying but when you loose a game you know it before you loose. not allways but sometimes. and saying that 1 skulk could tip the balance thats like saying 1 LMG could tip the battle agaisnt 3 oni ( I think thats the right word) and I still think if you held down a RT somewhere you could get a hive and who knows maybe come back. anything can happen in NS if your open minded
  • XythXyth Avatar Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22312Members
    I only ever make a gorge hut after I've fought as much as I can at the hive, but we still have no chance. Then I just grab a few other skulks and we go to a usually predetermined location that has other chambers set up in it, and wait.
  • AvengerXAvengerX Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27459Banned
    yes well I definitly think that your first priority lies with the hive, thats what aliens are all about. but there are cases where theres no more good you can do there so I think that Xyth definitly has the right idea with fortresses.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Official stance:

    The 'ping of death' was introduced for a reason. This reason was to keep single aliens from prolonging the game once it was effectively over. Thus, Gorge fortresses are not acceptable, as well. Server rules may of course vary, but on the base level, your actions are not intended by the devs, the effort of removing the possibility entirely is just not in sensible relation to the problem, especially considering the existence of metamods.
  • AvengerXAvengerX Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27459Banned
    the ping of death exisist because the aliens life force is connected to the hive. thus without the hive they die. its as simple as that. secondly I believe under no circumstances should any team ever give up aliens or rines. thats the part of the game thats fun. no one enjoyes slaughtering rines that don't even try and fight back. and same with aliens the fun of the game is the trying to win as hard as you can.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Erm... The Ping of Death is a pure gameplay mechanic - take it from the guy who playtested it on the night of its implementation.
    As for the rest of your elaborations; suspension of disbelieve only goes so far. When a single alien player fortresses while his teammates all wait in the limbo because they can't respawn anymore, the whole thing has nothing to do with holding on anymore, it's simply anti-social. Argue as much as you want, but that's what it is: Egoistic.
  • NefilimNefilim Join Date: 2003-08-09 Member: 19222Members, Constellation
    edited March 2004
    How about making all towers cease to function when the hive dies.

    Without a hive, it's like they have no brain... so how can they think to shoot, heal, or cloak?

    I'd like to see gorge webs defuse grenades instead of get blown up by them. If a gorge comes in and webs the area, then there's no GL spammers. Umbra an onos and tear the marine base down.


    And Avenger, what's so fun about bunker busting? Seriously. The game feels futile after a half hour of trying to kill marines in base who only have one res node. Having marines who only control three or four nodes against aliens with six nodes and three hives and continue to fight back is fun; having marines who sit in base and make no progress at all, but at least kill a ton of aliens before they eventually get overwhelmed isn't fun at all.

    There's a difference between "fighting to then end when you still have a chance to win" and "just trying to survive because you've already lost the game."
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Interesting suggestions. How about you take them into the appropriate forum? <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • NefilimNefilim Join Date: 2003-08-09 Member: 19222Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+Mar 21 2004, 01:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Mar 21 2004, 01:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Interesting suggestions. How about you take them into the appropriate forum? <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Rgr that
  • AvengerXAvengerX Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27459Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin-Nefilim+Mar 21 2004, 02:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nefilim @ Mar 21 2004, 02:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    There's a difference between "fighting to then end when you still have a chance to win" and "just trying to survive because you've already lost the game." <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    ok so when do you not have a chance? as long as theres spit in your mouth and res in your belly you have a chance I've played half life mods for a while now, maybe not as long as some, but I've seen some amazing comebacks from things that I would never have thought could have been pulled off. and if people just give up that easily then whats the piont of playing at all?
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