how about focus not adding more damage, but going through (non heavy) armor, without touching the armor values. Or something like 20%/40%/60% more penetrating.
Of course, it'll have to be tuned for it not to be too powerful, as jp's and LA's would fall quite easily.
edit: well so much for my flying by the topic, but I guess it's already been suggested
<!--QuoteBegin-Pepe_Muffassa+Mar 12 2004, 07:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pepe_Muffassa @ Mar 12 2004, 07:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> this is starting to sound like a "lets nerf the aliens" thread - and that is the absolule last thing the aliens need right now.
I think the marines need to learn to adapt as a team!!! even in combat. The first upgrade I get is always armor - because of focus. Now, if the rest of my team also got armor, then we would all be 2 bite kills again, and wouldn't have anything to complain about. Get your uber godly shotguns at level 3 instead of 2 or perhaps even level 4!!! and quit whining about focus. Once you have tried that a few times, come back here and tell me how uber focus is.
"OMG!!!I CNT HAVE HMG IN LVL3!!!!!ONEONEONE1111ONROENONEON1" <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Absolutley not, I'm all in for reducing knockback and marine-supar-strafe-?ber-jumping. Though, I think that the game, at least focus is very focused and almost requeries an alien (except for onos) to use focus. And i think that this is even worse than D-M-S.
<!--QuoteBegin-Align+Mar 12 2004, 10:00 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Align @ Mar 12 2004, 10:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> But you still only survive one more bite Lee Harvey, unless someone welds you. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That was kind of my point. Under any other circumstances aliens can usually overcome Focus. With the JP/Resupply combo focus is REQUIRED. There is NO way to kill a talented JP/Resupplier without focus. Even Webs tend not to hold them long enough (they skill coast through the air for a second out of the 2.5 they are webbed). Talented JPers can avoid much of the webbing anyway.
1: You don't base stuff off of chance. We want NS to be a strategic game, not a card game like magic the gathering. Infact, the LMG, HMG, pistol and shotgun shouldn't have random scatter patterns; I'v missed skulks because all the pellets went left instead of right before. Not good.
2: Nerfing focus = bad. Sensory on hive 1 = me getting my rines to lock down hives 2 and 3, putting up obs and turrets, then going nuts with upgrades.
Onos w/ no regen and no way of taking away the marine distance advantage = useless Fade w/ no cara, no regen, and hive 2 weapon = useless. Lerk with no umbra and no regen or cara = useless.
The aliens get a great advantage in RT's, but they're **** outta luck if the marines get a 2-hive lockdown when they went with sense. Without a good focus attack, they'd be screwed.
<!--QuoteBegin-Tempting the port that serves+Mar 15 2004, 02:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tempting the port that serves @ Mar 15 2004, 02:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 1: You don't base stuff off of chance. We want NS to be a strategic game, not a card game like magic the gathering. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'll have you know MtG has more strategy than just about any game I've ever seen. Admittedly a lot of it is about minimizing the random chance that is also present, but they give you the tools to carry out that task very well.
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Of course, it'll have to be tuned for it not to be too powerful, as jp's and LA's would fall quite easily.
edit: well so much for my flying by the topic, but I guess it's already been suggested
I think the marines need to learn to adapt as a team!!! even in combat. The first upgrade I get is always armor - because of focus. Now, if the rest of my team also got armor, then we would all be 2 bite kills again, and wouldn't have anything to complain about. Get your uber godly shotguns at level 3 instead of 2 or perhaps even level 4!!! and quit whining about focus. Once you have tried that a few times, come back here and tell me how uber focus is.
"OMG!!!I CNT HAVE HMG IN LVL3!!!!!ONEONEONE1111ONROENONEON1" <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Absolutley not, I'm all in for reducing knockback and marine-supar-strafe-?ber-jumping. Though, I think that the game, at least focus is very focused and almost requeries an alien (except for onos) to use focus. And i think that this is even worse than D-M-S.
That was kind of my point. Under any other circumstances aliens can usually overcome Focus. With the JP/Resupply combo focus is REQUIRED. There is NO way to kill a talented JP/Resupplier without focus. Even Webs tend not to hold them long enough (they skill coast through the air for a second out of the 2.5 they are webbed). Talented JPers can avoid much of the webbing anyway.
1: You don't base stuff off of chance. We want NS to be a strategic game, not a card game like magic the gathering. Infact, the LMG, HMG, pistol and shotgun shouldn't have random scatter patterns; I'v missed skulks because all the pellets went left instead of right before. Not good.
2: Nerfing focus = bad. Sensory on hive 1 = me getting my rines to lock down hives 2 and 3, putting up obs and turrets, then going nuts with upgrades.
Onos w/ no regen and no way of taking away the marine distance advantage = useless
Fade w/ no cara, no regen, and hive 2 weapon = useless.
Lerk with no umbra and no regen or cara = useless.
The aliens get a great advantage in RT's, but they're **** outta luck if the marines get a 2-hive lockdown when they went with sense. Without a good focus attack, they'd be screwed.
I don't like instakill weapons either.
I'll have you know MtG has more strategy than just about any game I've ever seen. Admittedly a lot of it is about minimizing the random chance that is also present, but they give you the tools to carry out that task very well.