<!--QuoteBegin-Geronimo+Mar 12 2004, 09:34 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Geronimo @ Mar 12 2004, 09:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Thats something for Flayra to think about :/ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm sure in beta 4 we will see stuff like this:
- Fixed all unhappiness issues with people - Fixed world hunger while I was at it - Got rid of crime - Found a way to make communism work
I actually made an offer in my retirement post (which got locked due to somepeople being useless, oh well.). The offer is to help any clan (though I do not feel that the CAL I teams would accept it, understandable), with strategies and tactics, and any player who wants to boost their personal skill, I have already helped a few people out, and I am currently helping a foreign NS team, if any other new teams wants to capitialize on this offer, I'll be back at school saturday or sunday and I can review demos.
<!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Mar 12 2004, 02:40 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Mar 12 2004, 02:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Firewater+Mar 12 2004, 02:06 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Firewater @ Mar 12 2004, 02:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I dont need those who CAN excel, I need those that are already exceled, the kind of team would need to have as much experience as I do, otherwise we won't be able to do a damn bit of good against the top teams. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> God forbid not making cal- invite instantly.
Half the fun of clans is starting out in the rough and watching it develop into something great. You can't just slap together a team and expect greatness, and if you do that anyway then you are just hurting yourself. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Too many teams I have played for in online play that started from scratch, most never lasted more than a week, thats why I'd prefer people of my experience.
There are good clans looking for good people. Sometimes it is hard to find players. I have been out of the loop for a bit, but it seems like there arent as many good clans or stable clans now as compared to 1.04 or 2.01.
<!--QuoteBegin-Act Chill+Mar 12 2004, 07:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Act Chill @ Mar 12 2004, 07:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> There are good clans looking for good people. Sometimes it is hard to find players. I have been out of the loop for a bit, but it seems like there arent as many good clans or stable clans now as compared to 1.04 or 2.01. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> In 2.01 I'd say we only had two real good clans, or maybe three; HAM eR (Exigent)
I'd say it's much tighter now (pandas, er, bm, exigent and so on), I'm really looking forward to the cal-finals.
KCSA isn't new, we have been playin' NS since 1.04, however we have just recently started looking at recruiting explicitly for NS and getting our talent pool up to par.
We are not looking for the best, we are looking for those that like to have fun. We can teach you everything we know and bring you up to speed quickly.
Starting and keeping a clan going isn't easy, havning been around for 3 years, I can tell you that most clans last less than 6 months, so pick wisely.
Website is in the sig, if you want to check us out.
<!--QuoteBegin-DramaKing+Mar 12 2004, 09:23 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DramaKing @ Mar 12 2004, 09:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hey new dudes, come by #pandas if you keep getting your **** kicked in scrims and talk to us. We will try and help you get better...
NS is full of **** players and clans, we need better teams immediately. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteBegin-DramaKing+Mar 12 2004, 09:23 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DramaKing @ Mar 12 2004, 09:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Hey new dudes, come by #pandas if you keep getting your **** kicked in scrims and talk to us. We will try and help you get better...
NS is full of **** players and clans, we need better teams immediately.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Its not so much as we all suck, its just theres a very fine line from pub strats yes' and match strats yes
I have been playing since 1.0 (and damn proud of it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> )
we just have potental, aleast i think <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
we get a little better each scrim
after all rome wasn't built in a day
but i'll come, the big thing we need is a deicated comm (going to take forever) that would help us alot <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Clans need all types of people, poeple where between them, they know how to do what needs to be done. Then they teach each other. The clan I'm in, TMM, went through hard times, but is around, and will continue to be around. I know for a fact that I am better since joining TMM, and much more so than I learned from the two previous clans (|ds| and [TDA]). I think my clan has what it needs, and it knows to stay together, and what it has to do. It is a place I have learned and I am glad to call myself a member of TMM. For those that cannot say that, it may be best to try to find a different clan. For those who can, I applaud you.
<!--QuoteBegin-Geronimo+Mar 12 2004, 09:34 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Geronimo @ Mar 12 2004, 09:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Also, something that is holding people back is the high noob-factor of NS. People in clans tend t obe arrogant and act usperior, scarign people away, while some stupid people can become hated in 5 minutes for not listening to your team, and those that know... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Ok.... I'm not trying to flame here but I'm tired of people saying that the reason more people don’t join competitive play is because current clanners are "scaring them away" mT is fairly new, been around since 1.0 days but didn’t get competitive till late august 2003, while we were getting started I can honestly say that we received nothing but help from all of the top clans: envy, eR, dn, ir, etc. I think allot of people who say that the current clanners are "scaring people away" are saying this because 1) The current clans repeatedly beat them or 2) They are basing all clanner behavior on a FEW isolated incidents that occurred on a pub server. I can assure people, from having experiencing going from pub play to competitive play, that most experienced clans are friendly to new clans that really want to take the time and effort to get good. Most experienced clanners are happy to see new clans emerge it gets boring scrimming the same 5-6 clans over and over.
<!--QuoteBegin-Last.+Mar 13 2004, 09:51 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Last. @ Mar 13 2004, 09:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> you were just one of the lucky ones pollo. just look at ycsp/oss/etc etc. what's the community attitude towards them? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> On YCSP I feel they are a weak team with GOOD skill potential. Whats holding them back is, you guessed it, negative attitude. With the exception of 3-4 members. I really liked some of their members and hope they can help the rest because it would be a shame to lose another clan.
On OSS I had nothing but pleasent experiences with them during the closed beta. However recently Nitro has been a bit anal on the CAL forums and have lost some respect of mine. I was confused by his behavior because he was a really nice guy to me in closed beta.. I try to have respect for all teams...
Basically because even though clan A might be good, they might not be nice guys...but they can change that.
If competetive NS is going to work, we have to suck up our stupidity and have fun, remember it is a game for gods sake. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Last.+Mar 13 2004, 09:51 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Last. @ Mar 13 2004, 09:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> you were just one of the lucky ones pollo. just look at ycsp/oss/etc etc. what's the community attitude towards them? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Like I said if your a clan that really wants to get good by practicing and by paying their dues most of the experenced clans will respect you and treat you well. If your being disrespectful or just expecting to win win win without first taking 20+ losses to good clans then your probably not going to be very well recieved.
As far as attitude about YcSp. I've never seen any problems with them, they don't seem to scrim much imo.
As far as attitude goes for OSS, all I have to say is that OSS is hardly a new clan and any negative attidude surrounding them does not come from the fact that other clans just like to mistreat the new guys.
well, just look at the new clans on cal, like push, KIR, 3v, and some new clans haven't joined it yet but will eventually, like CiS and i think zD.
I almost agree with the talent pool being dry, but... we may start to see some better players soon b/c of all the people 3.0 brought in.
OR MAYBE NOT, because steam-HL crashes whenever you attempt to exit.
yes, let this turn into a steam-bashing thread, bwahahaha
::edit:: oh yeah, and the way in which a lot of clans are going about recruiting is mistaken. people on irc tend to be folks who are already vets, so you can't really be surprised when no one new shows up. you're going to have to pub and find the good people, and **** them up. i wish the clan recruitment forums here were more effective, but it seems as though hardly anyone views them.
While the delta clanscene is kinda stagnant, the omega scene is getting a lot of newer clans, or just clans making their CAL debut. Either way, a growing clan scene is good.
Also, those big scary delta clans are, for the most part, pretty nice guys who realize that the clan-scene is tough on newer clans and do their bit to help, for most you need only ask for it.
I just got like, a really nice idea <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
What if the high-level clans got together in an attempt to further the clan scene? Announce a "recruiting camp" or whatever, and start reviewing people playing. Random pubbers, newbies, anyone who wants to play adn that's not already in a clan can participate. I'm not claiming this will enable anyone recruiting good players, but it will help the mid-low level clans and perhaps create a forum for creating new clans. In the long run this would broaden the clan scene and help people like Firewater to get their "already experienced players". If you had a few 6vs6 games like this every other weekend it would probably help lots, and would take at the most one or two hours each time.
<!--QuoteBegin-tjosan+Mar 14 2004, 12:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (tjosan @ Mar 14 2004, 12:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I just got like, a really nice idea <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
What if the high-level clans got together in an attempt to further the clan scene? Announce a "recruiting camp" or whatever, and start reviewing people playing. Random pubbers, newbies, anyone who wants to play adn that's not already in a clan can participate. I'm not claiming this will enable anyone recruiting good players, but it will help the mid-low level clans and perhaps create a forum for creating new clans. In the long run this would broaden the clan scene and help people like Firewater to get their "already experienced players". If you had a few 6vs6 games like this every other weekend it would probably help lots, and would take at the most one or two hours each time.
Anyways, just a random idea. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Not sure if they're still doing it, but if there is interest it may still be viable.
Ahh the clan scene is growing quite nice. Its kinda intresting to see more pub clans quite a few clans use to be private only and they would send one or two guys out to get a match going. With this increase in clans it may actually help NSPlayers get into a game because if they can get lucky enough to get on a good clans team and see how a clan works together and how NS is all about teamwork we may not have as many players doing silly things like getting a shotgun and running off alone <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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I'm sure in beta 4 we will see stuff like this:
- Fixed all unhappiness issues with people
- Fixed world hunger while I was at it
- Got rid of crime
- Found a way to make communism work
DL version beta 4 TODAY!!!!111
God forbid not making cal- invite instantly.
Half the fun of clans is starting out in the rough and watching it develop into something great. You can't just slap together a team and expect greatness, and if you do that anyway then you are just hurting yourself. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Too many teams I have played for in online play that started from scratch, most never lasted more than a week, thats why I'd prefer people of my experience.
In 2.01 I'd say we only had two real good clans, or maybe three;
HAM
eR
(Exigent)
I'd say it's much tighter now (pandas, er, bm, exigent and so on), I'm really looking forward to the cal-finals.
We are not looking for the best, we are looking for those that like to have fun. We can teach you everything we know and bring you up to speed quickly.
Starting and keeping a clan going isn't easy, havning been around for 3 years, I can tell you that most clans last less than 6 months, so pick wisely.
Website is in the sig, if you want to check us out.
NS is full of **** players and clans, we need better teams immediately. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-DramaKing+Mar 12 2004, 09:23 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DramaKing @ Mar 12 2004, 09:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Hey new dudes, come by #pandas if you keep getting your **** kicked in scrims and talk to us. We will try and help you get better...
NS is full of **** players and clans, we need better teams immediately.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Its not so much as we all suck, its just theres a very fine line from pub strats yes' and match strats yes
I have been playing since 1.0 (and damn proud of it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> )
we just have potental, aleast i think <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
we get a little better each scrim
after all rome wasn't built in a day
but i'll come, the big thing we need is a deicated comm (going to take forever) that would help us alot <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Ok.... I'm not trying to flame here but I'm tired of people saying that the reason more people don’t join competitive play is because current clanners are "scaring them away" mT is fairly new, been around since 1.0 days but didn’t get competitive till late august 2003, while we were getting started I can honestly say that we received nothing but help from all of the top clans: envy, eR, dn, ir, etc. I think allot of people who say that the current clanners are "scaring people away" are saying this because 1) The current clans repeatedly beat them or 2) They are basing all clanner behavior on a FEW isolated incidents that occurred on a pub server.
I can assure people, from having experiencing going from pub play to competitive play, that most experienced clans are friendly to new clans that really want to take the time and effort to get good. Most experienced clanners are happy to see new clans emerge it gets boring scrimming the same 5-6 clans over and over.
On YCSP I feel they are a weak team with GOOD skill potential. Whats holding them back is, you guessed it, negative attitude. With the exception of 3-4 members. I really liked some of their members and hope they can help the rest because it would be a shame to lose another clan.
On OSS I had nothing but pleasent experiences with them during the closed beta. However recently Nitro has been a bit anal on the CAL forums and have lost some respect of mine. I was confused by his behavior because he was a really nice guy to me in closed beta.. I try to have respect for all teams...
Basically because even though clan A might be good, they might not be nice guys...but they can change that.
If competetive NS is going to work, we have to suck up our stupidity and have fun, remember it is a game for gods sake. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
animosity... is... good?
Like I said if your a clan that really wants to get good by practicing and by paying their dues most of the experenced clans will respect you and treat you well. If your being disrespectful or just expecting to win win win without first taking 20+ losses to good clans then your probably not going to be very well recieved.
As far as attitude about YcSp. I've never seen any problems with them, they don't seem to scrim much imo.
As far as attitude goes for OSS, all I have to say is that OSS is hardly a new clan and any negative attidude surrounding them does not come from the fact that other clans just like to mistreat the new guys.
animosity... is... good? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I thought you quit ns.
I almost agree with the talent pool being dry, but... we may start to see some better players soon b/c of all the people 3.0 brought in.
OR MAYBE NOT, because steam-HL crashes whenever you attempt to exit.
yes, let this turn into a steam-bashing thread, bwahahaha
::edit:: oh yeah, and the way in which a lot of clans are going about recruiting is mistaken. people on irc tend to be folks who are already vets, so you can't really be surprised when no one new shows up. you're going to have to pub and find the good people, and **** them up. i wish the clan recruitment forums here were more effective, but it seems as though hardly anyone views them.
animosity... is... good? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
What?
Also, those big scary delta clans are, for the most part, pretty nice guys who realize that the clan-scene is tough on newer clans and do their bit to help, for most you need only ask for it.
What if the high-level clans got together in an attempt to further the clan scene? Announce a "recruiting camp" or whatever, and start reviewing people playing. Random pubbers, newbies, anyone who wants to play adn that's not already in a clan can participate. I'm not claiming this will enable anyone recruiting good players, but it will help the mid-low level clans and perhaps create a forum for creating new clans. In the long run this would broaden the clan scene and help people like Firewater to get their "already experienced players". If you had a few 6vs6 games like this every other weekend it would probably help lots, and would take at the most one or two hours each time.
Anyways, just a random idea.
What if the high-level clans got together in an attempt to further the clan scene? Announce a "recruiting camp" or whatever, and start reviewing people playing. Random pubbers, newbies, anyone who wants to play adn that's not already in a clan can participate. I'm not claiming this will enable anyone recruiting good players, but it will help the mid-low level clans and perhaps create a forum for creating new clans. In the long run this would broaden the clan scene and help people like Firewater to get their "already experienced players". If you had a few 6vs6 games like this every other weekend it would probably help lots, and would take at the most one or two hours each time.
Anyways, just a random idea. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not sure if they're still doing it, but if there is interest it may still be viable.
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