Korn Bites Back At The Fcc

MoquiaoMoquiao Join Date: 2003-05-09 Member: 16168Members
<div class="IPBDescription">about ****in time!</div> <a href='http://www.fmqb.com/article.asp?id=20402' target='_blank'>AVE IT </a>

"It?s probably the most inspirational, the most spectacular understanding of what?s going on in this country right now," raved Stern. "I believe that young people ? I?m talking about people 18, 16, 20 ? are freaking out right now because of what is going on with the religious right. They are angry. They are angry about the corporations running the music business. They are angry with the radio business. They are angry. And this Korn video, if you can get your hands on it, is the best music video I have ever seen."


if howard stern likes it. its goood
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  • AllUrHiveRblong2usAllUrHiveRblong2us By Your Powers Combined... Join Date: 2002-12-20 Member: 11244Members
    Psh. Coming from a bunch that suckled off the sony teet for 7 of their albums, the message seems a bit dulled.
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-AllUrHiveRBelong2Us+Mar 7 2004, 08:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AllUrHiveRBelong2Us @ Mar 7 2004, 08:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Psh. Coming from a bunch that suckled off the sony teet for 7 of their albums, the message seems a bit dulled. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Agreed
  • MoquiaoMoquiao Join Date: 2003-05-09 Member: 16168Members
    its better then nothing tho. it may be slow progress.. but still
  • MulletMullet Join Date: 2003-04-28 Member: 15910Members, Constellation
    BLah.....Korn is too dramatic.
  • DubbilexDubbilex Chump Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9799Members
    Definitely a step down the right path - the video direction reminds me of a certain Rage Against The Machine video, however...

    Nonetheless, this is definitely a video I'll be supporting. Korn may suck as hard and as much as they want - I'm just happy that they've FINALLY realized what corporate nu-metal tools they are <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    This falls under the category of writing and prodcuing songs complaining about song that are written and produced only to make money in term only hoping to take advantage of controversy and make money.

    Yah real good message. This is called forced image, hip hop artists do it all the time, they sing about being rich and living the highlife even if they don't have 10 thousand dollars of their own money. The more you can make yourself out to be a rebel in the rock world the more records you will sell.


    I'll pretend I didn't see Korn compared to RATM in this thread and move on.
  • DiscoZombieDiscoZombie Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18951Members
    I'm with AYHABU and CWAG... but because of howard stern, not korn =P

    howard stern is totally right wing except when it comes to the FCC, which actually affects his profession... he kisses Bush's butt but now is complaining because colin powell's son has been picked to lead the FCC, heralding a new era of censorship in media :-/ which is no good, but I wish the people who speak up against it didn't do so only because it's in their own financial interests <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
    Taking a step away the legitimacy of the song/video for a bit, I fail to see how this has anything to do with "biting back at the FCC". The entire song is clearly about the music industry and doesn't mention the FCC at all. This FCC stuff is recent, and it takes a lot more than a week or two to write a good song AND produce a music video, and distribute them both.
  • TestamentTestament Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4037Members
    Who said good? It's mainstream music made for the teenage masses.
  • ForlornForlorn Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2634Banned
    The music industry is in deep trouble, sooner or later it will shape up under dire circumstances.
  • MedHeadMedHead Join Date: 2002-12-19 Member: 11115Members, Constellation
    <img src='http://xmedheadx.homestead.com/files/musicohnoes.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

    Seriously, if it's such a <b>terrible</b> business that offers <b>no</b> profit and <b>no</b> growth, <b>leave the business.</b>
  • RedfordRedford Monorailcatfjord Join Date: 2002-04-28 Member: 528Members, NS1 Playtester
    Korn is incapable of r0x0ring, ever, because they are emo and their music consists of people shouting last time I checked.
  • xioutlawixxioutlawix Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 7118Members, Constellation
    What a bunch of narrowminded music-bashing hate mongers composing the vocal majority. I don't enjoy the majority of what korn puts out either, but I won't invalidate their music simply because I don't like it, seemingly in complete disregard of the fact that many people worldwide actually love them.
  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Members
    Can we all just agree that our opinions are bound to differ?
  • Marik_SteeleMarik_Steele To rule in hell... Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9466Members
    Just heard the song. It's certainly nothing complex, it certainly is repetitive, but it has a sense of being the sort of thing that can really get a crowd jumping around during a live performance. My main measure of singers or bands is a simple "do they sound as good/better live than on CDs?" Its a generalization that has so far worked very well for pinpointing everyone from Britney Spears and the various boy bands all the way to Jimi Hendrix and Norah Jones. Korn falls somewhere in the middle depending on the album being discussed -- their first two CDs and a few select newer songs contain more of the crowd raisers, and this sounds like the sort of song you could put a lot of energy into for a live performance.

    As for the music video...it's right, I doubt MTV or any similar channel will put it on air anytime soon. And at least it admits that it, too, falls into the category of single, saying "steal this video"
  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Members
    I guess that is a logical way of deciding which songs are good and which are bad. Usually I just decide that depending on which songs "strike a chord" with me so to speak.
  • coilcoil Amateur pirate. Professional monkey. All pance. Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 424Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    I'm moving this to Discussions. Follow the link and watch the video; regardless of what you think of KORN (I can't stand 'em), the video itself has a serious message to make. They're not cashing in on anything, in my opinion; artists like KORN get as ripped off by the music industry as listeners do, and the facts they quote in the video speak very bluntly to that fact.

    Anyway, I'd like to hear some more-intelligent, less-knee-jerk reactions to the video itself... what do you guys think?
  • MoquiaoMoquiao Join Date: 2003-05-09 Member: 16168Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-coil+Mar 8 2004, 09:02 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coil @ Mar 8 2004, 09:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm moving this to Discussions. Follow the link and watch the video; regardless of what you think of KORN (I can't stand 'em), the video itself has a serious message to make. They're not cashing in on anything, in my opinion; artists like KORN get as ripped off by the music industry as listeners do, and the facts they quote in the video speak very bluntly to that fact.

    Anyway, I'd like to hear some more-intelligent, less-knee-jerk reactions to the video itself... what do you guys think? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    yes.. this is my point...

    all y ou guys are doing is whining how its korn so it doesnt matter etc..

    look past the performers at the message!
  • MrMojoMrMojo Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9882Members, Constellation
    Everyone's cashing in on something. Nothing wrong with it, you don't expect your cable man to work for free.

    The message doesn't matter if they don't mean it, really.
  • That_Annoying_KidThat_Annoying_Kid Sire of Titles Join Date: 2003-03-01 Member: 14175Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Redford+Mar 7 2004, 09:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Redford @ Mar 7 2004, 09:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Korn is incapable of r0x0ring, ever, because they are emo and their music consists of people shouting last time I checked. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I would have to agree, and besides hating the RIAA and the music industry is whats "in" these days


    FIGHT THE POWER!


    *rebels against music sharers as to conform to non conformity*
  • HandmanHandman Join Date: 2003-04-05 Member: 15224Members
    Last time I checked, Korn was not emo. Please do not clump them into a catagory that I occasionally enjoy to listen to.
  • BlackMageBlackMage [citation needed] Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17474Members, Constellation
    it's kinda funny ifyou look at it.
    "can you guys give us a single please?"
    "sure, how about this one?"
    "y'all wanna single so s*ck it s*ck it!"
  • taboofirestaboofires Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9853Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Mar 7 2004, 11:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Mar 7 2004, 11:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <img src='http://xmedheadx.homestead.com/files/musicohnoes.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

    Seriously, if it's such a <b>terrible</b> business that offers <b>no</b> profit and <b>no</b> growth, <b>leave the business.</b> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The idealist inside me says that music is not about money, but rather ideas and creativity. The rest of me thinks my inner idealist is half sad, half hilariously funny.
  • killswitchkillswitch Join Date: 2003-02-05 Member: 13141Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Mar 8 2004, 03:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Mar 8 2004, 03:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AllUrHiveRBelong2Us+Mar 7 2004, 08:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AllUrHiveRBelong2Us @ Mar 7 2004, 08:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Psh. Coming from a bunch that suckled off the sony teet for 7 of their albums, the message seems a bit dulled. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Agreed <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Lots of independent artists slag the RIAA all the time. It's refreshing to see someone on the gravy train actually protest, whether or not it seems hypocritical.
  • RatRat Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11486Members
    as coil said, the facts themselves are the significant part of the video. regardless of the messenger, the message is still poignant. anyone else sick of hearing after every radio station ad "This is a Clear Channel Communications Station"? I live in Houston and College Station depending on what part of the week, and in the past month have been all over parts of my entire state. Outside of small (both fiscally and in the physical range of their broadcast), I have YET to find an FM station that plays classic rock, modern rock, pop hits or a less abrasive mix of music that DOESN'T belong to a corporate conglomerate. Everyone touted MS as being a monopoly, but the oligopoly enjoyed by certain companies in the music industry and film industry is even MORE oppressive, as those are two mediums that are supposed to be "art" and "free of expression." How is it NOT a monopoly to have on company controlling the FIVE major video music channels on TV? Why aren't we seeing lawsuits out the **** about this? Simply put, the artists are far more dependent on the corporate machine than it is on them. Don't get me wrong, in most areas I'm pro-business, but it's mostly pro-COMPETITIVE-business, NOT pro-monopolistic-business.
  • MrMojoMrMojo Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9882Members, Constellation
    "Local" and not "corporate" things don't last. Sure, the people around that area might buy things from it once in a while, but most go to the "big" "corporate" stores.


    We're all hoping for free music with artists that care about giving good quality music, but no one actually expects that. You wouldn't work for free as a doctor, something more important than music, so why do you expect artists to give you free music?


    Corporations and publicity and "conforming" ( "selling out?" ) are the only ways for bands to survive and to actually make money.
  • RatRat Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11486Members
    Mojo, there is a LARGE difference between a "corporation" and a "monopoly"

    I'm not saying I want the labels to work for free or not be **** about intellectual property rights violations. What I do want is something that all markets need to survive--competition.

    The music industry has ultimately come down to the same problem Wal-Mart created. Only big labels can provide a competitive edge, a large profit margin, and the ability to move product (just like Wal-Mart can). So by providing volume pricing, massive monetary contracts, and still being able to have the supplier make a profit, the suppliers are happy (in this case artists...with Wal-Mart, it's companies like John Deere, Matel, Hasbro, and other big name manufacturers) and therefore take the contracts. The situation goes on, and Wal-Marts demands keep going up for product, and therefore the discounts keep getting bigger from the supplier. Eventually Wal-Mart can buy the product from a supplier, mark it up, and STILL sell it for less than it takes smaller companies to simply buy it from the supplier. So now smaller retailers without the purchasing power of Wal-Mart go out of business. Think small independent record labels who can't negotiate with artists for big contracts and CD manufacturers for volume prices. That seems like natural selection at work in a market economy until the final step--when the suppliers can't afford to NOT do business with the giant labels, retail chains, etc. Because they've got such massive accounts with the retailers, if they drop the accounts, their revenues plummet them into bankruptcy. So then you have suppliers going out of business if they put up a fight. To survive as a company--especially a publically traded or affected commodity (ie, a singer's fanbase)--you CAN'T afford to cut your strings with accounts those size if you want to be able to make any sort of money.

    Ultimately, what happens when you have corporate giants with the purchasing power they do, you not only force others out of the market, reducing competition, but you end up rearranging the supply/demand curves where the suppliers are now dependent upon those who initially held the demand--eliminating the freedom of suppliers to provide to a variety of market demanders.
  • XzilenXzilen Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11642Members, Constellation
    edited March 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Dubbilex+Mar 7 2004, 09:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dubbilex @ Mar 7 2004, 09:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Definitely a step down the right path - the video direction reminds me of a certain Rage Against The Machine video, however...

    Nonetheless, this is definitely a video I'll be supporting.  Korn may suck as hard and as much as they want - I'm just happy that they've FINALLY realized what corporate nu-metal tools they are <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Very much so. Except I have to agree with Dr. D's response more.
  • SpetsnazSpetsnaz Join Date: 2003-12-26 Member: 24761Members, Constellation
    edited March 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-That Annoying Kid+Mar 8 2004, 04:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (That Annoying Kid @ Mar 8 2004, 04:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    *rebels against music sharers as to conform to non conformity* <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    too l8 man u have conformed to answering this post like the rest of us <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

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    Korn do tell the truth! being their #1 fan they are biting back nicely! U can forget about all that other pish they call music korn tell it how it is... who cares about what lables and record deals at the end of the day i mean take robbi williams for instance WHAT A LOAD OF PISH he signed an 8 million record deal. Since he has released a <i>FEW</i> songs wow! amazing freaking incredible if u tell me! he just sponges off the money and gets fat, i mean if u gunna do it right make some god dam decent music!

    Y'ALL WANT A SINGLE SAY **** THAT, **** THAT ****
  • XzilenXzilen Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11642Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Spetsnaz+Mar 13 2004, 06:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Spetsnaz @ Mar 13 2004, 06:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-That Annoying Kid+Mar 8 2004, 04:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (That Annoying Kid @ Mar 8 2004, 04:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    *rebels against music sharers as to conform to non conformity* <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    too l8 man u have conformed to answering this post like the rest of us <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

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    Korn do tell the truth! being their #1 fan they are biting back nicely! U can forget about all that other pish they call music korn tell it how it is... who cares about what lables and record deals at the end of the day i mean take robbi williams for instance WHAT A LOAD OF PISH he signed an 8 million record deal. Since he has released a <i>FEW</i> songs wow! amazing freaking incredible if u tell me! he just sponges off the money and gets fat, i mean if u gunna do it right make some god dam decent music!

    Y'ALL WANT A SINGLE SAY **** THAT, **** THAT **** <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I think I feel sorry for you :-\

    Since you went out to state your opinion about KoRn, I'll go out to state mine.

    They aren't anything great. I won't say they suck, because they at least write their own music. But so many bands have done so much better. Are you telling me they are better than Led Zeppelin was? Or explain to me how they are more talented than Jerry Cantrell is.

    Also, please, your english doesn't need to be perfect. Heck, mine isn't very good at all when it comes to grammar, but please, try to write more coherently. Thanks.
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