The Girl Who Doesn't Feel Pain.

LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
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<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Gabby Gingras has a disease so rare she's the only person her parents and doctors can find in the U.S. suffering from it. Like any other three-year-old, Gabby takes her share of slips and falls. Her reaction to each is predictable — at least for her family.

    For no matter how hard Gabby hits the ground, she will not shed a single tear. Hard as it is to fathom Gabby Gingras feels no pain. There is no cure, nor will she outgrow it.

    "She fell down the stairs the other day in the garage," her dad says. "She just picked herself up and started climbing up the stairs again like nothing had happened."

    "She never cried," her mother adds.

    Gabby was born with a genetic defect called "Hereditary Sensory and Autonomic Neuropathy Type-5. It is so rare her doctors don't know of another person with it in this country. Research done for her parents turned up a dozen known cases in the world.

    "A dozen in the world," Trish Gingras says. "There are no support groups, there are no Web sites, there are not parents who can tell us what we might expect. Nothing."

    It was the last thing Trish and Steve Gingras expected when Gabby became a little sister to their daughter Katie three years ago.

    "Oh, she was the sweetest little baby," Trish says.

    But something didn't seem right when their little baby kept scratching her face. Things got worse when Gabby started teething.

    "She (was) severely gnawing on her hands, when the teeth come through even a little bit — biting, biting, biting, so they looked like raw hamburger," Trish says.

    They were the first puzzling symptoms of Gabby's disorder later diagnosed by neurologist Stephen Smith of Gillette Children's Specialty Healthcare.

    "Little tiny nerve fibers, the smallest of the nerve fibers, that are supposed to record pain, send that signal to the brain, so you can interpret what it is. Those fibers are not working," Smith says.

    So often we think of pain in a negative way. But it is pain, that protects us.

    Because Gabby feels no pain, she no longer has any teeth.

    "Didn't hurt her at all getting a tooth ripped out," Steve Gingras says.

    The teeth she didn't break off while biting toys were removed by an oral surgeon after Gabby chewed up her mouth and tongue so badly she had to be hospitalized.

    "Pain is the protective mechanism, and she doesn't have that," Dr. Smith says.

    Gabby didn't have pain to save her eyes either. She scratched them so severely, that at one point doctors sewed them shut to keep her fingers out. But, the damage was already done.

    Last week Gabby's family was at Fairview University Medical Center to discuss the removal of her left eye, now swollen and blind from glaucoma brought on by the scratching.

    The vision in Gabby's scratched right eye, her good eye, has been measured at 20-300.

    "There are days where you look at (baby) pictures and you see those bright eyes ... and you wish you knew then what you know now. We wish we'd have thought of the idea a little bit sooner for the goggles," Trish says.

    The swim goggles she wears around the clock were her dad's idea. They provide a layer of protection that is quite possibly the only reason Gabby can see her beloved princesses — her dolls and the characters in movies — at all anymore.

    "She is awesome about wearing them. They're just part of her," Trish says.

    The goggles are part of Gabby's wardrobe wherever she goes, including pre-school in Monticello where Gabby has been assigned a paraprofessional who makes sure she doesn't get hurt.

    Caution seems justified. Gabby broke her jaw a year ago and no one knew it for more than a month. Last fall, she snuck out of bed, stood in front of a hot steam humidifier and suffered second-degree burns.

    "She never felt the pain of the burn," Trish says.

    But if Gabby was cursed by genetics, she was blessed with some wonderful tools for coping. Witness a conversation between Gabby and her mom when the child is caught on the family couch with a beverage."

    "I'll have to take your milk, because we're not supposed to have chocolate milk in the living room right?"

    "Too late now," Gabby teases.

    "She's got attitude and I think that will serve her well," Trish says. "She needs a little bit of attitude,"

    Gabby's attitude and spirit win over everyone she meets. Earlier this month she was crowned Princess for a Day at a royalty brunch in Becker.

    Gabby's parents have no idea what's ahead for their daughter — but they are determined the girl who can't feel pain will know what it feels like to be happy.

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  • tedortedor Join Date: 2004-01-29 Member: 25700Banned
    if she can talk she can learn things will mess her body up. gg bad parenting.
  • GadzukoGadzuko Join Date: 2002-12-26 Member: 11556Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-tedor+Mar 2 2004, 08:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (tedor @ Mar 2 2004, 08:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> if she can talk she can learn things will mess her body up. gg bad parenting. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What are you talking about, bad parenting? She tore out her teeth and chewed up her hands before she could communicate anything, that's bad parenting to you?
  • ZigZig ...I am Captain Planet&#33; Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members
    bad tedor =\



    poor girl.

    today is one of those depressothon days in O/T.
  • tedortedor Join Date: 2004-01-29 Member: 25700Banned
    they left the kid alone to scratch her eyes out.
    my mistake*, they're quite possibly the best** parents ever.
















    *are you high?
    **worst
  • GadzukoGadzuko Join Date: 2002-12-26 Member: 11556Members, Constellation
    Tell you what tedor, you stay with your child 24/7 for about 3 years, then I'll listen to what you have to say. Until then, you obviously have no clue what you're talking about.
  • tedortedor Join Date: 2004-01-29 Member: 25700Banned
    except my child will <i>feel pain</i>.
  • MulletMullet Join Date: 2003-04-28 Member: 15910Members, Constellation
    Hey, not to sound like a pedophile or anything, but that is going to suck for her when she grows up to be a woman. <---- seriously.
  • ZiGGYZiGGY Join Date: 2003-01-19 Member: 12479Members
    Can she feel emotional pain?
  • BergerBerger Join Date: 2002-11-16 Member: 8945Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-tedor+Mar 2 2004, 08:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (tedor @ Mar 2 2004, 08:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> except my child will <i>feel pain</i>. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That is the most disgusting thing I've seen someone say on these forums. Congratulations.
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    its impossible to stop a child from doing something as simple as biting a toy or scratiching thier eyes without physically removing thier ability to do so, ie taking away the toys, or giving them goggles. There is no way to monitor a child's actions 24 hours a day, at some point you need to be able to look away from them.
  • ZigZig ...I am Captain Planet&#33; Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members
    edited March 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-tedor+Mar 2 2004, 05:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (tedor @ Mar 2 2004, 05:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> they left the kid alone to scratch her eyes out.
    my mistake*, they're quite possibly the best** parents ever.
    [...]
    *are you high?
    **worst <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    alright, best parent ever. i'm taking a bite.


    do you believe that they can keep their daughter from moving, from performing simple actions, at <i>all times</i>? the correct answer is, no, they can't.

    unless they take her everywhere, tied-up, into the bathroom, into the kitchen, into bed, etc.

    would you do that if you were a parent? no! you'd make the kid miserable!!

    now that's assuming you KNEW about the disorder.

    moreover, they did NOT know of the disorder (which, i might add, has 12 other recorded instances in the world??) . if your kid is happily chewing away on a toy, are you gonna rip it out of his hand? i sure as hell hope not. not many parents are gonna do that unless they find out he has this same unfortunate disorder. what if your kid has his fingers in his mouth? are you going to take a <i>baby's hand out of its mouth</i><!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->



    jesus christ, buddy. i think our potential posterity is safer without you in the gene pool to torment them.
  • tedortedor Join Date: 2004-01-29 Member: 25700Banned
    keep thinking that.
    you just ruined that child's life.
  • ZigZig ...I am Captain Planet&#33; Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-tedor+Mar 2 2004, 05:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (tedor @ Mar 2 2004, 05:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> keep thinking that.
    you just ruined that child's life. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    elaborate.

    you're saying you WOULD tie up your crying infant and raise it and teach it until it reached adulthood, all out of INSTINCT because somehow you would just <i>KNOW</i> it had the disorder?

    yeah. keep thinking <i>that</i>.
  • ZigZig ...I am Captain Planet&#33; Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members
    honestly.. that's called child abuse.
  • tedortedor Join Date: 2004-01-29 Member: 25700Banned
    last time i checked it was a parent's job to make sure their kid didn't kill themself.
    CORRECT ME I'M WRONG.
  • ZigZig ...I am Captain Planet&#33; Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members
    edited March 2004
    i don't recall her killing herself.

    if she appears to be sucking her hand or chewing toys, what does that look like to you?

    is that suicide where you come from?
  • GadzukoGadzuko Join Date: 2002-12-26 Member: 11556Members, Constellation
    Last time I checked human beings were not born telepathic (so they magically know their child has a disorder), nor with the capability to stay awake and alert for three years watching their child's every move. Amazing how that's been manifested in you tedor, truly amazing.
  • ZigZig ...I am Captain Planet&#33; Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members
  • tedortedor Join Date: 2004-01-29 Member: 25700Banned
    sometimes i ask myself how i got to be so good.
    like uh, realizing that if my kid only had one eye, something was probly wrong. :(
  • ForlornForlorn Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2634Banned
    It's not like the child scratched out her eyes in one day.

    More like she did it over a long period of time I'm gessing.

    It seems to me the parents are to blame for this. If I were the girl I'd consider euthinizing myself. A life with no physical pain, being blind, and no teeth?


    Sounds like a horror movie. /me shudders.


    Really, tendor is correct, while the parents can be given credit for having the most rare diesease in the world, there is no one else to blame other than the parents for having a child who destroyed themselves.


    I mean, the parents come home and see a baby with blood red eyes, or a bloody mouth, and are like "Meh whatever it's just a stage"


    I'm sorry but I don't buy it
  • ZigZig ...I am Captain Planet&#33; Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members
    YES. now you're getting it.

    in order for you to realize that the child has only one eye

    <b><i>it has to ONLY HAVE ONE EYE.</i></b>

    what i mean by that is, the eye has ALREADY been damaged beyond repair.

    that is the present condition of their daughter. you've stated that you could do no better. thank you for doing so.
  • ZigZig ...I am Captain Planet&#33; Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Forlorn+Mar 2 2004, 05:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Mar 2 2004, 05:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> More like she did it over a long period of time I'm gessing. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    you know, the ocular jelly is pretty sensitive.
  • tedortedor Join Date: 2004-01-29 Member: 25700Banned
    you need to not take things literally.
    what i meant by that is that she was in the process of destroying her EYES.

    you've stated you're retarded. thank you for doing so.
  • P-KhanP-Khan Join Date: 2003-05-27 Member: 16776Members
    Which the <i>did</i> realize something was wrong. If they didn't, then the article wouldn't be present. What would you do if your child grew without pain sensors? Watch over it 24/7 ?!

    What if you are not watching over the baby falls down, breaks her leg and doesn't have pain sensors? Would you know that the baby was injured until it was too late?

    I say they are good parents. If they were bad parents, would they have searched for more info on the problem? Would they have thought about the swim goggles the girl now wears?
  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    Yeah, but you can't see that she can't feel unless you catch her doing something that'd hurt, as they did, and watch her walk away from it like it was nothing.
  • HybridclawHybridclaw Join Date: 2003-11-03 Member: 22271Members
  • tedortedor Join Date: 2004-01-29 Member: 25700Banned
    they realized they were being stupid and fixed it.
    why can't you?
  • ZigZig ...I am Captain Planet&#33; Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-tedor+Mar 2 2004, 05:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (tedor @ Mar 2 2004, 05:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> you need to not take things literally.
    what i meant by that is that she was in the process of destroying her EYES.

    you've stated you're retarded. thank you for doing so. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    so by conjecture, she has no choice by to go through a <i>PROCESS</i> of destroying them?

    she can't just scratch her eyes out? it's MANDATORY she go through the truoble of scraping them evvvvvvver so sloooooowly for the benefit of her parents?


    your argument is going nowhere, fast.
  • coilcoil Amateur pirate. Professional monkey. All pance. Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 424Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    tedor, think of it this way:

    You walk in to see your baby gnawing on her own hands, drawing blood with apparently no intention of stopping. You grab her hand away and yell at her, and she gets a frightened look in her eye - clearly she was doing something wrong. But she's not even a toddler; eventually she will forget and go right back to chewing on her hand.

    Any other child would have its own in-built "you're doing something wrong" -- chewing on your hand *hurts*! In addition, this is a disorder so rare than there are probably 12 people on the entire planet who have it. If you saw your child repeatedly hurting itself, would you come to the conclusion that she had an amazingly rare disorder that prevented her from even knowing she was hurting herself? No. You'd assume she was being disruptive, trying to attract attention, etc.

    It's hard to protect a child who can't even tell how hard is too hard to rub her eyes. The article mentions her *sneaking* out of bed to stand in front of a radiator. Her parents weren't standing idly by watching their child give herself second-degree burns. They did the best they could with an extraordinary and extraordinarily difficult situation.
    ________

    Last but not least: are you a parent? No? Then shut it. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

    To the rest of the posters, please ignore tedor and focus on more useful contributions to the thread.
  • tedortedor Join Date: 2004-01-29 Member: 25700Banned
    i don't have to be a parent to have common sense.
    how does a 3 yearold sneak out of bed. come on.

    think about it coil.

    and uh, what are useful contributions? saying you feel bad about the kid? it's a forum. people talk. avoid interfering.
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