Here's One For The Riaa...

Anime_Tentacle_MonsterAnime_Tentacle_Monster Join Date: 2003-01-06 Member: 11931Members
So you buy a game with a soundtrack NSF:UG for example...

is it illegal to download a torrent of the game soundtrack?

being you purchaced the game...

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  • ZigZig ...I am Captain Planet! Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members
    nothing is legal anymore.
  • Anime_Tentacle_MonsterAnime_Tentacle_Monster Join Date: 2003-01-06 Member: 11931Members
    when there is money involved...yes very much so. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • GadzukoGadzuko Join Date: 2002-12-26 Member: 11556Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Zig+Feb 27 2004, 07:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Feb 27 2004, 07:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> nothing is legal anymore. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You just broke the law, son.
  • l3igDl3igD Join Date: 2003-11-20 Member: 23262Members
    If you already have the game why dont you rip the music your self?
  • SpceM0nkeySpceM0nkey Join Date: 2003-01-19 Member: 12480Members
    I guess you just bought the licence to use the music during the game. Same thing applies with movies. I have the fight club dvd, does that mean I should be entitled to the original soundtrack?

    The answer is no. Its called fair use.
  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
    <!--QuoteBegin-Anime Tentacle Monster+Feb 27 2004, 06:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Anime Tentacle Monster @ Feb 27 2004, 06:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So you buy a game with a soundtrack NSF:UG for example...

    is it illegal to download a torrent of the game soundtrack?

    being you purchaced the game... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yes, there are game soundtracks sold. Most are hard to find in the US except for just exceptionally outstanding games (GTA:VC) but in other countries OST's (Original Sound Track) are readily available for purchase.

    So the fact that they are for sale, yeah, that makes it illegal to DL the mp3s.

    However it should be perfectly legal for you to record it yourself from the game...
  • pieceofsoappieceofsoap Join Date: 2002-11-21 Member: 9535Members, Constellation
    If you can rip the tracks from the game, its perfectly legal. If you cant, Its not.
    *Disclaimer* the the Pantsu Ninja known as pieceofsoap may not actually know what he is talking about *Disclaimer*
  • Anime_Tentacle_MonsterAnime_Tentacle_Monster Join Date: 2003-01-06 Member: 11931Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Yes, there are game soundtracks sold. Most are hard to find in the US except for just exceptionally outstanding games (GTA:VC) but in other countries OST's (Original Sound Track) are readily available for purchase.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Understandable, however I think its rather hypocritical though when they get mad but dont make what we want available for us.... <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    well here are a few ones:

    You can't download the soundtrack to a movie b/c you actualy don't HAVE most of that music in the movie (its generaly just small pieces of songs, if the song is even inffact in there)

    Same often (though not always) Goes for games.
  • EEKEEK Join Date: 2004-02-25 Member: 26898Banned
    Well, Homeworld has a soundtrack for sale, but hell, go to the relicnews forums, people chat in there about ripping the songs to MP3 and Relic doesn't give a damn.
  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+Feb 28 2004, 03:44 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Feb 28 2004, 03:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So the fact that they are for sale, yeah, that makes it illegal to DL the mp3s.

    However it should be perfectly legal for you to record it yourself from the game... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    but isn't it legal to download the mp3's if you already have a copy yourself? just like downloading mp3's of old vinyls you have because you don't have the right equipment to transfer it to your pc?
  • 7Bistromath7Bistromath Join Date: 2003-12-04 Member: 23928Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Sp@ceM0nkey+Feb 27 2004, 08:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sp@ceM0nkey @ Feb 27 2004, 08:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I guess you just bought the licence to use the music during the game. Same thing applies with movies. I have the fight club dvd, does that mean I should be entitled to the original soundtrack?

    The answer is no. Its called fair use. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Look, look! Somebody who doesn't know what the term "fair use" is supposed to mean! He must work for the RIAA!

    The spirit of fair use, the very core of it, has always been that you can do whatever you want with stuff you've bought, as long as you don't make money doing it, or cut down the owner's profits by redistributing.
  • xectxect Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9807Members
    I don't think you can download the tracks from a published soundtrack, since the soundtrack is a seperate product. If the songs are there on the CD as audio tracks, you can use them, if not, I don't think you're allowed to rip/download them.
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    007, Fairuse dosn't mean anytihng any more.

    This is sad and unfortunate, but it basicaly dosn'

    and xect as it basicaly right, if some one else was to rip them from the game you could then download em (that does fall under fair use with no questions), but downloading the OST would probably not be underfair use (As OSTs tend to be honestly different then what you get ingame)
  • LokeTheSleekPeruvianLokeTheSleekPeruvian Join Date: 2003-08-21 Member: 20054Members
    Does this RIAA can sue you if you live in south america?
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    probably

    It depends on what your countries laws are reguarding copyrites.
  • LokeTheSleekPeruvianLokeTheSleekPeruvian Join Date: 2003-08-21 Member: 20054Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Thansal+Feb 28 2004, 09:51 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thansal @ Feb 28 2004, 09:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    It depends on what your countries laws are reguarding copyrites. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Almost none <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    thats actualy hard to believe. (simply b/c no artist would ever make any money in your country).

    there is a godo chance that the govn't there is very lax about enforcing them, however that dosn't stop the RIAA from suing the ponce off of you.

    However, you would have to find out for your self by actualy looking into your laws.
  • BirdyBirdy Join Date: 2003-05-29 Member: 16825Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Thansal+Feb 28 2004, 05:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thansal @ Feb 28 2004, 05:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> thats actualy hard to believe. (simply b/c no artist would ever make any money in your country).

    there is a godo chance that the govn't there is very lax about enforcing them, however that dosn't stop the RIAA from suing the ponce off of you.

    However, you would have to find out for your self by actualy looking into your laws. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Bring it RIAA.

    Netherlands > you. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • LokeTheSleekPeruvianLokeTheSleekPeruvian Join Date: 2003-08-21 Member: 20054Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Thansal+Feb 28 2004, 10:03 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thansal @ Feb 28 2004, 10:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> thats actualy hard to believe. (simply b/c no artist would ever make any money in your country).

    there is a godo chance that the govn't there is very lax about enforcing them, however that dosn't stop the RIAA from suing the ponce off of you.

    However, you would have to find out for your self by actualy looking into your laws. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    w/e , come visit us, you will see for yourself.
  • XiileXiile Join Date: 2003-02-22 Member: 13818Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Zig+Feb 27 2004, 07:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Feb 27 2004, 07:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> nothing is legal anymore. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That's so true. >:\
  • moultanomoultano Creator of ns_shiva. Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10806Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts
    It is legal to rip them yourself, but it is illegal to download someone else's rip.
    The first counts as fair use.
    the rationale is that somehow the copy that someone else has is actually a different recording even though in reality they are bit exact.
  • 7Bistromath7Bistromath Join Date: 2003-12-04 Member: 23928Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Thansal+Feb 28 2004, 10:03 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thansal @ Feb 28 2004, 10:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> there is a godo chance that the govn't there is very lax about enforcing them, however that dosn't stop the RIAA from suing the ponce off of you. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yes it would. RIAA is strictly a US organization, and while many countries have equivalent organizations, not half of them have the same amount of power and/or ruthlessness as ours.

    Go find whoever you're getting your info from and slap them to death.
  • 7Bistromath7Bistromath Join Date: 2003-12-04 Member: 23928Members, Constellation
    edited February 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-moultano+Feb 28 2004, 03:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (moultano @ Feb 28 2004, 03:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It is legal to rip them yourself, but it is illegal to download someone else's rip.
    The first counts as fair use.
    the rationale is that somehow the copy that someone else has is actually a different recording even though in reality they are bit exact. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    No, that's a crock. If you have it, you have it. If you have a legal copy of the media, it is illegal to upload, not download. The problem with a fileshare service like Kazaa is that unless you switch the thing into high leech mode, you automatically redistribute what you're grabbing. This also makes a download tool like bitTorrent questionable, but I think it could probably be defended in court unless the judge were a complete know-nothing as far as tech is concerned.
  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
    BT is perfectly legal, it's just wether the things you put up are allowed. I believe they put up Red Hat (the dld able version) as an example torrent on their site. That's allowed, just like putting something like a free mod (with the correct copyright and legal mumbo-jumbo) but distributing illegal software is, well, illegal.
  • 7Bistromath7Bistromath Join Date: 2003-12-04 Member: 23928Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Cereal_KillR+Feb 28 2004, 03:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cereal_KillR @ Feb 28 2004, 03:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> BT is perfectly legal, it's just wether the things you put up are allowed. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The same goes for Kazaa. I wasn't saying either one of the utilities are illegal themselves, that's stupid crap I'd expect a RIAA marketroid to spout off. What I'm saying is that the practice of using bT to download copyrighted files you already have a legal copy of in some other medium is questionable, but defensible.
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