Faq updated

FlayraFlayra Game Director, Unknown Worlds EntertainmentSan Francisco Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 3Super Administrators, NS2 Developer, Subnautica Developer
<div class="IPBDescription">Software rendering</div>Hey all,

I've updated the official NS FAQ.  Not too many changes, but mostly updated to fit NS in it's current incarnation.

The biggest change is that we won't be able to support software rendering for version 1.0.  This will be fixed in a future version, but we need to work with VALVe to get this fixed.  

I'm a bit sad about this, as I really wanted to support it at the gate.  It's a tradeoff though.   We can delay NS and coordinate with the next HL patch, or we can not support it for v1.0.  In the end, there are many more people with accelerators that want to play, so we decided to ship earlier.

For those that were banking on playing in software, maybe we can help.  There are a lot of accelerators that are very cheap now, and you can probably just buy one and install it easily, for as little as around $20.  MonsieurEvil has found some good links for you, and I hope this won't stop you from enjoying NS very soon.

Sorry again for the mixup, it's all part of the wild ride that is game development.

<a href="http://computers.cnet.com/hardware/1,10121,0-1107-402-0,00.html?pn=1&ob=2&qt=&qn=&F2=0&F5=0&F6=0&F8=0&F10=4&F11=0&sm=2&np.x=67&np.y=8" target="_blank">Link #1</a>

<a href="http://computers.cnet.com/hardware/1,10121,0-1107-402-0,00.html?pn=1&ob=1&qt=&qn=&F2=0&F5=0&F6=0&F8=0&F10=3&F11=0&sm=1&ps.x=9&ps.y=2" target="_blank">Link #2</a>

<a href="http://computers.cnet.com/hardware/1,10121,0-1107-402-0,00.html?pn=4&ob=2&qt=&qn=&F2=0&F5=0&F6=0&F8=0&F10=1&F11=0&sm=2&np.x=53&np.y=9" target="_blank">Link #3</a>
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  • ZeroPointNRGZeroPointNRG Join Date: 2002-05-18 Member: 628Members
    My ATi Radeon 8500LE was only €130, that's a GeForce 3 equilivent videocard.
  • NecroNecro &lt;insert non-birthday-related title here&gt; Join Date: 2002-08-09 Member: 1118Members
    take me foir example, ur normal lazy bum, who never goes outside..or to sleep, i baught my computer with a nice gf4 (tad of money from parents) but surely u can easily get a cheap 3d card.



    <!--EDIT|Flayra|Oct. 17 2002,18:49-->
  • PeregineDivePeregineDive Join Date: 2002-07-15 Member: 951Members
    I wish I had a GeFoce 4 =P  I'm still pimpin' on my GeForce 2 MX baby!!

            -PD
  • ZeroPointNRGZeroPointNRG Join Date: 2002-05-18 Member: 628Members
    I don't think a lot of people will complain, Flayra. I think 99% of the people have a 3D accelerator.
  • SpooK1SpooK1 Join Date: 2002-10-10 Member: 1469Members
    i heard that geforce4 < geforce 3...


    is this true ?
  • myname321myname321 Join Date: 2002-10-17 Member: 1521Banned
    NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!, I have a 3d graphics card but i cant install it thanks to my mess up agp slot,I could only play on SOFTWARE!!!! SCREW IT!!!!
  • MooMoo_the_SnowCowMooMoo_the_SnowCow Join Date: 2002-08-03 Member: 1057Members
    You can might beable to pick of a tnt2 that uses the PCI slot i think i use to have one.
  • bob2bob2 Join Date: 2002-06-15 Member: 772Members
    8500 le is now running at 99 us dollars, it runs at 250, easily oc'd to 315, and has 128mg ddr, supports per pixel shading, and lots of other goodies.. check it out, tis worth the money..
  • UnknownUnknown Join Date: 2002-06-12 Member: 759Members
    <!--me&Unknown--><span id='ME'><center>Unknown kisses his Voodoo3 3000.</center></span><!--e-me-->

    So what if its a terrible card.  Its better then nothing.....

    I plan on getting a new computer with a good video card for X-mas.
  • bob2bob2 Join Date: 2002-06-15 Member: 772Members
    lol, im runnin a voodoo3 3500 right now, the only bad thing about it is, i have xp drivers that dont allow most games to recognize it.. but i still run anything that is supported fine.. : )
  • EosEos Join Date: 2002-06-08 Member: 738Members
  • ZeroPointNRGZeroPointNRG Join Date: 2002-05-18 Member: 628Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->i heard that geforce4 < geforce 3...


    is this true ?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    No. A friend of mine has a GF4 ti4400 and another friend has a GF4 ti4600. And they both smoke the GeForce 3.

    The card I think you mean is a GeForce 4 MX. The MX is the cheap version of the GF4, but it is so bad that it is a GeForce 2 MX clocked to GeForce 3 speeds.
  • GhostfaceKillahGhostfaceKillah Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1438Members
    i gots the geforce 2 mx and im runnin most games perfectly fine
  • NecroNecro &lt;insert non-birthday-related title here&gt; Join Date: 2002-08-09 Member: 1118Members
    even tho the gf2mx and gf4mx suck they ARE good cards when lets say atm ur stuck with software mode.
  • TurkishTurkish Join Date: 2002-09-16 Member: 1324Members
    I have no problem with it


    /me kisses g3 ti 500 box   i luv j00
  • alyandonalyandon Join Date: 2002-10-17 Member: 1523Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Version135b+Oct. 17 2002,19:04--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Version135b @ Oct. 17 2002,19:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->lol, im runnin a voodoo3 3500 right now, the only bad thing about it is, i have xp drivers that dont allow most games to recognize it.. but i still run anything that is supported fine.. : )<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I believe that the Windows 2000 certified drivers will work under XP.  If not, check this link out:

    <a href="http://www.voodoofiles.com/type.asp?cat_id=1" target="_blank">http://www.voodoofiles.com/type.asp?cat_id=1</a>
  • alyandonalyandon Join Date: 2002-10-17 Member: 1523Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--myname321+Oct. 17 2002,18:48--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (myname321 @ Oct. 17 2002,18:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!, I have a 3d graphics card but i cant install it thanks to my mess up agp slot,I could only play on SOFTWARE!!!! SCREW IT!!!!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You can pick up a PCI version of the Gefore 2MX for around $40US.
  • TheEnigmaTheEnigma Join Date: 2002-10-17 Member: 1519Members
    I think that the real problem will be the newbies that run under software mode <b>anyways</b>, despite having a 3d accelerator. They'll download NS, try to run it in software, have it not work and be 'ogmz this mod sux cos i kant run itlolol'. Maybe setting opengl or d3d as a default would help.
  • saint0zsaint0z Join Date: 2002-10-16 Member: 1505Members, Constellation
    *snicker*
    as the ns team makes an agreement with cnet for a portion of the profits for all the stranded with software mode *snicker*

    <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->  <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->  <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->

    jk
    the faster we get the game out the betta sez me
  • saint0zsaint0z Join Date: 2002-10-16 Member: 1505Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--|SpooK|+Oct. 17 2002,18:44--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (|SpooK| @ Oct. 17 2002,18:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->i heard that geforce4 < geforce 3...


    is this true ?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yes and no, the Geforce 4 Ti(power) series is nvidias strongest line of vid cards out right now. While nvidias other gf4 line, the MX(value) has been tested to run at less than dandy power.  A gf2GTS has more uber raw power for games.  So if you have a choice between gf4MX and gf2GTS, definitely go for the gf2.

    Nvidia is also fading out the gf3 series

    ps. i saw that other post i just wanted to make it clearer

                <!--emo&::onos::--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tiny.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='::onos::'><!--endemo-->                    
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  • Snake13Snake13 Join Date: 2002-04-30 Member: 554Members
    I'm sorry but if you can't muster enough cash to get at least a voodoo 1 I don't know how you can afford to be on the internet, I mean 3d accelerators have been out for what 8 years?
  • Sgt_XSgt_X Join Date: 2002-03-01 Member: 261Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--TheEnigma+Oct. 17 2002,13:35--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (TheEnigma @ Oct. 17 2002,13:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->I think that the real problem will be the newbies that run under software mode <b>anyways</b>, despite having a 3d accelerator. They'll download NS, try to run it in software, have it not work and be 'ogmz this mod sux cos i kant run itlolol'. Maybe setting opengl or d3d as a default would help.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Maybe Flay could code it so that it what mode your in and tells you about the disadvantages in software if it see you using it.
  • DerfudDerfud Join Date: 2002-09-29 Member: 1370Members
    you guys should check out <a href="http://www.ncix.com" target="_blank">Netlink Computers</a>
  • SkriftSkrift Join Date: 2002-09-25 Member: 1329Members
    Well... good! OK, now I can brag about my card. <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->

    (overclocked) GeForce 4 Ti 4200 64mb

    I know there´s not really anything to brag about but I still have nightmares of the time when I used to have a Geforce 2 MX/MX 400. *shudders*
  • Dr_ShaggyDr_Shaggy Join Date: 2002-09-26 Member: 1340Members, Constellation
    Well I had a Geforce2 MX 32meg but I burnt it out somehow. The replacement I got was a 64meg Geforce2 Ti which I'm currently using and am very happy with it. There really isnt anything I <i>can't</i> run with it. The newest of the new games I might have to turn down to 800x600 from my usual 1024x768 but other than that, I'm running a lot of stuff with an old card.

    Not too long ago a local hardware store had Geforce3 Ti500's on sale for like $150 (Canadian! ). If only I had the money at the time, that is such a steal. They're really phasing out those Geforce3's which sucks, but if you can find one cheap, I'd really recommend one. I'd estimate that that Ti500 that I couldn't afford would be better than a much more pricy GF4 4200, or at least comparable.

    <i>Edit: Yes I've heard good things about the ATI 8500 series and I'm sure they're cheap, but I'm more of a NVIDIA fan with their fantastic drivers and track record, although I should support the Canadian company...</i>
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    <!--QuoteBegin--TheEnigma+Oct. 17 2002,21:35--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (TheEnigma @ Oct. 17 2002,21:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->I think that the real problem will be the newbies that run under software mode <b>anyways</b>, despite having a 3d accelerator. They'll download NS, try to run it in software, have it not work and be 'ogmz this mod sux cos i kant run itlolol'. Maybe setting opengl or d3d as a default would help.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Already taken care of.
  • ireValireVal Join Date: 2002-09-30 Member: 1390Members
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  • ZawathZawath Join Date: 2002-07-28 Member: 1020Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Oct. 18 2002,02:00--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Oct. 18 2002,02:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--TheEnigma+Oct. 17 2002,21:35--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (TheEnigma @ Oct. 17 2002,21:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->I think that the real problem will be the newbies that run under software mode <b>anyways</b>, despite having a 3d accelerator. They'll download NS, try to run it in software, have it not work and be 'ogmz this mod sux cos i kant run itlolol'. Maybe setting opengl or d3d as a default would help.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Already taken care of.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Errrr...do you really want that kind of players in your team? I don`t think so
  • WoggyWoggy Join Date: 2002-10-09 Member: 1466Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->I think that the real problem will be the newbies that run under software mode anyways, despite having a 3d accelerator. They'll download NS, try to run it in software, have it not work and be 'ogmz this mod sux cos i kant run itlolol'. Maybe setting opengl or d3d as a default would help.
    <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Isnt that a GOOD THING? If people are too stupid to know theyve got a 3D accelerator, I DONT WANT EM TO PLAY.
    I think software should be gotten completely rid off. if 99.9% of CS n00bs use software, good bye to them.
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    If you're going to use Pricewatch, pair it with resellerratings.com to avoid getting burned by shady retailers.

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