Ns Takes To Long To Have Fun With.
Twinky
Join Date: 2004-02-10 Member: 26346Members
Join Date: 2004-02-10 Member: 26346Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Step to step guide with agrresion.</div> Right, in my oppinion, it takes to long to have fun with NS. It isnt: Starting up, joining server, fun.
Right, when you actually get steam to work, there's first this thing with CD servers. Eventhough Steam was invented to fully get rid of cheaters pll still use CD. Ok so I installed it, and it got errors with STEAM.
SO I choose another server. Once I join a server, it takes way to much time to actually see whats going on in the game. The game has and history of its own and there's no way you can check for a few second where the battle is, whats going on and so on.
Ok, then when you've spend time enough to see another round coming, there's a big chance people are n00bs and the game is **** it within minutes. But because its lame to end a game in 1 minute. The game becomes heavily unbalanced right from the start with no action, sudden comebacks or so-on.
Then when you do get two right teams, the game becomes a slow waiting procces, waiting for resources that is. If your a builder (comm, gorg) U'll be bored stiff because of this, unless there is some newber whining about something.
When you do actually get a good game started, its very rare that it will stay that way. The way the whole system works with marines and aliens is way to chaotic.
Back in the old days of BY server, it was simply joining and having fun. Because everyone knows each other. Now when a person jumps in the CC and sells everything the admins dont even do anything.
Now what if, I were a normal person who just plays to have fun and I werent a kid who spends like 3 hours gaming, this game whould suck cuz you need to invest so much time. Sure the drug sure tasted good when u've actually won a good game but its so rare I'd rather start up Wolf or Warcraft3, simply because its more automaticly teambased orientated.
Then when you feel like telling this on the forums, you forget your password and then you try to recover it, only getting errors in your face.
Right, NS is way to user unfriendly.
Right, when you actually get steam to work, there's first this thing with CD servers. Eventhough Steam was invented to fully get rid of cheaters pll still use CD. Ok so I installed it, and it got errors with STEAM.
SO I choose another server. Once I join a server, it takes way to much time to actually see whats going on in the game. The game has and history of its own and there's no way you can check for a few second where the battle is, whats going on and so on.
Ok, then when you've spend time enough to see another round coming, there's a big chance people are n00bs and the game is **** it within minutes. But because its lame to end a game in 1 minute. The game becomes heavily unbalanced right from the start with no action, sudden comebacks or so-on.
Then when you do get two right teams, the game becomes a slow waiting procces, waiting for resources that is. If your a builder (comm, gorg) U'll be bored stiff because of this, unless there is some newber whining about something.
When you do actually get a good game started, its very rare that it will stay that way. The way the whole system works with marines and aliens is way to chaotic.
Back in the old days of BY server, it was simply joining and having fun. Because everyone knows each other. Now when a person jumps in the CC and sells everything the admins dont even do anything.
Now what if, I were a normal person who just plays to have fun and I werent a kid who spends like 3 hours gaming, this game whould suck cuz you need to invest so much time. Sure the drug sure tasted good when u've actually won a good game but its so rare I'd rather start up Wolf or Warcraft3, simply because its more automaticly teambased orientated.
Then when you feel like telling this on the forums, you forget your password and then you try to recover it, only getting errors in your face.
Right, NS is way to user unfriendly.
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*gotta go for tea...will edit and finish my disagreement afterwards* <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Pressing the "C" key will show an overhead view of the map, showing all your teams structures, where everyone is, and where the action is taking place.
Its really not that hard to know whats happening once you've seen where everything is placed.
2.) AlienCow!, how do u choose your servers?
3.) I do like the way the game is played, but it was diffrent a year back where everyone used voicecomm and all that sorts of stuff.
There are servers where everyone uses mics, and they are much much more fun for it. Try joining clan servers, they tend to attract the type of players with headsets. As for what is fun about NS, there is no point trying to tell you if you don't know yourself - you still won't like it.
And clanservers are filled with stackers, Yaaay! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Anyways, in response to picking servers, I go with vaguely well known names, or ones that sound official <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> . Otherwise, I find clan servers are very good at wittling out the annoyances in life, due to many harsh rulings eheheh.
I, too, used to live and breath on the BlueYonder servers. Then they collapsed <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
There are still MANY good servers out there.
For Combat Only, I recommend "Danster's Combat ONLY | Warservers.com" - which seems to have a very good atmosphere and I play on a lot with my mates.
<u>What is fun about NS?</u>
Come on guys, we need to sell this to him. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Its the best-looking best-gameplay most-fun most-tense most-unique most-adictive Half Life mod in existence. But to gain this from it, you need to give something back to the game; namely time. (If time isnt your style, head for the Danster's server i suggested, Combat is FAST)
#1) It is fun for a multitude of reasons and not necessarily the same multitude for each person. Here are a few such reasons people would likely cite.
a) The game is somewhat original in gameplay, genre, and theme. Granted we've all seen AvP since it was a little kid, but this is more simplistic a storyline and more flexible system of play. It still maintains that "fresh breath of air" feel to it comparied to other games.
b) Also compared to most other mods for HL (and most other games I can think of) the level of graphical detail and immersion makes you feel more a part of the game in many instances that other mods and games simply can't offer... even on the professional level.
c) Despite the occasional laming f***tards that frequent the servers there is usually a very good level of cooperation through teamwork. The level of difficulty for lone rambos (aside from those "1337 h4X0r" / script kiddie rambo gods) promotes squad-based teamwork instead of the "I'm on your team don't shoot me" crap that happens in CS, DoD, and TFC only all too often.
d) Touching back on the genre thing again. I can't think of any other enjoyable AND FREE (aside from the cost of a $5 copy of HL) game that allowed you to experience both the strategy and arms race of RTSs and still be able to saddle up with your machine guns and blow away the enemy. You simply get to have your cake and eat it too.
#2) The majority of the time I just look for the best ping that has a reasonable number of players on it. I do NOT look for insanely large games though as they tend to favor one team on a per map basis and so you tend to know the outcome before the game even starts. Go for servers with players between 12 and 16 people to be able to experience both the level of cooperation and balance that most maps are designed for. Also if you are concerned about how far along the game is you can usually check out the server info to get a read on player scores. This will be an indicator of how far into the game they really are. For low player count the games will go faster and the scores will usually rise faster. Just the opposite for larger games (that aren't stacked with uber skill on one team that is), but in general if you are looking to join new games look for servers with fairly low player scores.
#3) I'm not sure where you play, but there is still a large population that use voice communication on the servers i play on. One thing I HAVE noticed is that in 2.x and 3.x there are a lot more comms that seem to not have voice. You'll notice however that they do have voice before they get in the chair. One big reason for this is that the standard voice chat key for all games I can think of is "V" and many people will purposefully bind that key in thier config menu without considerint the repurcussions when in the comm chair. The default setting for the comm chair uses "V" as the cancel button and effectively overrides voice chat. So just as a note to all regular comms that aren't aware of this... DON'T USE "V" FOR VOICE CHAT UNLESS YOU INTEND NEVER TO USE IT. Aside from this I actually have to mute a bunch of people that spam the comm channels. That brings me to one complaint of a bug I've noticed but haven't bothered to look up to see if its documented or not yet. When muting players it is often the case that more than one player gets muted at a time instead of just the one you selected. On top of that, the mute persists across map changes and if the original person you muted leaves before you unmute him you will not be able to unmute all the people that were arbitrarily muted in the process.
I'll stop rambling now. Back to the heart of your question though, if you're really in want of quick action stick with co_ maps or co_ only servers. The action starts almost immediately and there isn't any concern for placement of buildings and strategy other than kill kill kill. Leave ns_ maps for when you are feeling patient enough to sit through a typically longer and slower paced game.
It sounds like a big problem for you is the players, and not necessarily the game itself. There are lots of new people to NS. Once the majority of people actually understand the game the environment will be better, but for now you either have to find regular servers, or be willing to help those new players that don't know the game very well, so that it will improve for the future.
Here here! (or is it "Hear hear!" ?). Anyway. It's a dirty job, but somebody's gotta do it. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Join a clan if you really can't cope with the general public on a daily basis.
*EDIT* If the above applies and you suck at games, make your own clan. I did with horrible success...more of a laugh than anything serious lol. In fact it never got further than 4 mates playing on the same server with a fnny website about CoW (see link )
Btw, I don't cheat I just hate the idea of having to actually download some **** **** freaking program just to play the game I already spent like 50 hours downloading **** to play.
no they do not
and since I still have to use won because valve is out freaking the dog even though i sent them proof that I own the game I have to use won and of course with that every time I fail to join a server I have to cancel back to the very first screen and start again because for some reason if I try to join another server right away the screen gets stuck and I can't see anything at all.
maybe I have seen the error in my ways.
Then again,
maybe not.
Btw, I don't cheat I just hate the idea of having to actually download some **** **** freaking program just to play the game I already spent like 50 hours downloading **** to play. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's made even worse by the fact that people can still cheat while running CD. People found that out back in the CS days, but still admins require the useless program, so use it anyway, just to be able to play the game.
Right, when you actually get steam to work, there's first this thing with CD servers. Eventhough Steam was invented to fully get rid of cheaters pll still use CD. Ok so I installed it, and it got errors with STEAM.
SO I choose another server. Once I join a server, it takes way to much time to actually see whats going on in the game. The game has and history of its own and there's no way you can check for a few second where the battle is, whats going on and so on.
Ok, then when you've spend time enough to see another round coming, there's a big chance people are n00bs and the game is **** it within minutes. But because its lame to end a game in 1 minute. The game becomes heavily unbalanced right from the start with no action, sudden comebacks or so-on.
Then when you do get two right teams, the game becomes a slow waiting procces, waiting for resources that is. If your a builder (comm, gorg) U'll be bored stiff because of this, unless there is some newber whining about something.
When you do actually get a good game started, its very rare that it will stay that way. The way the whole system works with marines and aliens is way to chaotic.
Back in the old days of BY server, it was simply joining and having fun. Because everyone knows each other. Now when a person jumps in the CC and sells everything the admins dont even do anything.
Now what if, I were a normal person who just plays to have fun and I werent a kid who spends like 3 hours gaming, this game whould suck cuz you need to invest so much time. Sure the drug sure tasted good when u've actually won a good game but its so rare I'd rather start up Wolf or Warcraft3, simply because its more automaticly teambased orientated.
Then when you feel like telling this on the forums, you forget your password and then you try to recover it, only getting errors in your face.
Right, NS is way to user unfriendly. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
go play cs then...
also, i never been to one of those....learn to get a good server then
Right, when you actually get steam to work, there's first this thing with CD servers. Eventhough Steam was invented to fully get rid of cheaters pll still use CD. Ok so I installed it, and it got errors with STEAM.
SO I choose another server. Once I join a server, it takes way to much time to actually see whats going on in the game. The game has and history of its own and there's no way you can check for a few second where the battle is, whats going on and so on.
Ok, then when you've spend time enough to see another round coming, there's a big chance people are n00bs and the game is **** it within minutes. But because its lame to end a game in 1 minute. The game becomes heavily unbalanced right from the start with no action, sudden comebacks or so-on.
Then when you do get two right teams, the game becomes a slow waiting procces, waiting for resources that is. If your a builder (comm, gorg) U'll be bored stiff because of this, unless there is some newber whining about something.
When you do actually get a good game started, its very rare that it will stay that way. The way the whole system works with marines and aliens is way to chaotic.
Back in the old days of BY server, it was simply joining and having fun. Because everyone knows each other. Now when a person jumps in the CC and sells everything the admins dont even do anything.
Now what if, I were a normal person who just plays to have fun and I werent a kid who spends like 3 hours gaming, this game whould suck cuz you need to invest so much time. Sure the drug sure tasted good when u've actually won a good game but its so rare I'd rather start up Wolf or Warcraft3, simply because its more automaticly teambased orientated.
Then when you feel like telling this on the forums, you forget your password and then you try to recover it, only getting errors in your face.
Right, NS is way to user unfriendly. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
go play cs then...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
and the warm arms of the community reach up and embrace all........
To the original poster, there's one reason I love NS..
It's captured my interest in a way, TFC, DOD, CS, BF1942, SOF2, etc could not by rewarding players who not only play well, but those who play as a team.
I'm not a "great" shot.. However, I'm a big help to my team because I'll pick up the welder and weld that RT, or I'll simply guard something until I'm told to move on...
So it allows people without the uber-l33t aim to have an enjoyable game.
Sure there are griefers who enjoy shooting spawn with a GL on a friendly fire Server... But for the most part.. the players here are pretty decent..
Also, while there are cheats to get around C-D, the casual cheaters that just downloaded something off the internet to try it will be stopped from joining the server, so it can help some.
Except it crashes some people's STEAM, causes lock ups in game for others.. and I can't tell you how often my machine has completely locked up after exiting a CD game.
I'm a big fan of the concept and these guys are on top of their updates but it can be a pain...
So not everyone's experience is a bed of roses..... and some resentment comes from that.
EDIT - Wow 400 posts.. it seems like only yesterday I was on post 55..... I must spread more crap around here then I thought.