Another Lag Issue..

XstremoXstremo Join Date: 2004-02-05 Member: 26095Members
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<div class="IPBDescription">Lag when lots of players gather</div> Hi,

I'm dealing with a realy realy and I mean REALY annoying lag issue. I play normally with 40 ping (cable) and usually join dutch/german/uk servers, with good pings 50<. But when lots of players join together in one tiny place, in a co_ map when the aliens camp at the CC or something like that and the marines spawn, I start lagging real bad! My choke goes up to 100 and my loss to 10 and my ping rises above 400! <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> This happens on all the servers I play on.. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->

Has anyone got a fix for this? Or is anyone dealing with the same bug/lag?!

Thx in advance
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  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    1) make sure you have told steam to NOT auto update.
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  • XstremoXstremo Join Date: 2004-02-05 Member: 26095Members
    How? <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • MoebiusMoebius Join Date: 2002-08-01 Member: 1045Members, Constellation
    Type net_graph 1 and see what your FPS is at the time of the lag, your computer might be causing your latency to go up because it can't handle that kind of activity.
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  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    hehe, I seem to remember there just being a check box, however I can no longer find it.

    What you wana do it pop open the moniter tab and tell it to stop doing stuff.
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  • JaspJasp Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13076Members
    Thansal the option is still thier, you have to right click the games in the games menu and select properties. Then disable auto update for each, although when you play a game it automatically turns it back on for the game you played.
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  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    ahhh, cool thanks <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • XstremoXstremo Join Date: 2004-02-05 Member: 26095Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Moebius+Feb 5 2004, 06:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Moebius @ Feb 5 2004, 06:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Type net_graph 1 and see what your FPS is at the time of the lag, your computer might be causing your latency to go up because it can't handle that kind of activity. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I have a good pc, so my fps is 60 constantly.

    And I've still got lag, even when I tried what Jasp said.
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  • AngeluszAngelusz Harmonic entropist Join Date: 2003-07-10 Member: 18072Members, Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester
    Lag and fps don't have anything in common:

    Fps: Frames per second: how fast your pc draws the game on your screen.

    Lag is internet related, 3 main 'things'.
    -Loss: Packages from the server to client which get 'lost', causes lag.
    -Choke: Packages from client to server which get lost, causes lag.
    -Ping: i'm not sure how this works, but it's displayed in MS (milliseconds).
    I think this is about how long it takes for a certain package to travel between server and client.
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  • XstremoXstremo Join Date: 2004-02-05 Member: 26095Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Archon+Feb 6 2004, 01:59 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Archon @ Feb 6 2004, 01:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Lag and fps don't have anything in common:

    Fps: Frames per second: how fast your pc draws the game on your screen.

    Lag is internet related, 3 main 'things'.
    -Loss: Packages from the server to client which get 'lost', causes lag.
    -Choke: Packages from client to server which get lost, causes lag.
    -Ping: i'm not sure how this works, but it's displayed in MS (milliseconds).
    I think this is about how long it takes for a certain package to travel between server and client. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    So true! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • AngeluszAngelusz Harmonic entropist Join Date: 2003-07-10 Member: 18072Members, Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester
    <!--QuoteBegin-Xstremo+Feb 6 2004, 02:15 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Xstremo @ Feb 6 2004, 02:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Archon+Feb 6 2004, 01:59 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Archon @ Feb 6 2004, 01:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Lag and fps don't have anything in common:

    Fps: Frames per second: how fast your pc draws the game on your screen.

    Lag is internet related, 3 main 'things'.
    -Loss: Packages from the server to client which get 'lost', causes lag.
    -Choke: Packages from client to server which get lost, causes lag.
    -Ping: i'm not sure how this works, but it's displayed in MS (milliseconds).
    I think this is about how long it takes for a certain package to travel between server and client. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    So true! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    By the way, i'm running on 100 fps constantly, owned. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
    Want to increase the graphics of your ns? pm me.
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  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    so now the thing to do is run with net_graph 3 enabled and ignore (FPS, b/c as others said it has NOTHING to do with your ping <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
    look at choke and loss (and possibly in/out but I don't know much bout those <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->)

    and yes, ping = amount of time it take for a pkt to reach the server <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • MoebiusMoebius Join Date: 2002-08-01 Member: 1045Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Archon+Feb 5 2004, 10:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Archon @ Feb 5 2004, 10:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Lag and fps don't have anything in common:

    Fps: Frames per second: how fast your pc draws the game on your screen.

    Lag is internet related, 3 main 'things'.
    -Loss: Packages from the server to client which get 'lost', causes lag.
    -Choke: Packages from client to server which get lost, causes lag.
    -Ping: i'm not sure how this works, but it's displayed in MS (milliseconds).
    I think this is about how long it takes for a certain package to travel between server and client. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Hmmm, actually, I know from experience that your computer being not so good can cause lag. Latency is delay, the amount of time it takes your computer to send or recieve a packet to or from its destination. If your computer can't handle the amount of stuff a game is throwing at you it will cause your latency to go up. Lately I purchased a new computer to replace the one I had been using for about 5-6 years I saw a 20-30 ping decrease as a result.
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  • XstremoXstremo Join Date: 2004-02-05 Member: 26095Members
    But my pc doesn't suck or anything.. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    AMD 2600+
    256 Adata DDR 400 mhz memory
    GF4 Ti 4200 (8x agp, 128mb)
    Cable, 3000 kbit

    It's just that I have lots of lag when lots of players gather! <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    /me shakes head

    ping can be affected by ONE Piece of hardware (well ok up to 3 actualy)

    1) Modem (56K, Cable, ADSL)
    2) NIC (Only if you are ussing an external modem)
    3) Router (only if your ussing one)

    NO OTHER piece of hardware can mess up your ping (well if you have 100ft of cat5 spooled in your basement it will mess it up also but thats different <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->)

    There are certain programs that can mess with it (if you are running WinXP/2K and you have a dialup then make sure you have QOS Pkt scheduler disabled)

    Ping is literaly the time it takes for your computer to send a packet to the server.

    Faulty Network hardware MIGHT increase ping but that is probably b/c it is messing up choke/loss (Again, check those for us, would you?)
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  • XstremoXstremo Join Date: 2004-02-05 Member: 26095Members
    I run W2k, router seems fine, NIC looks great (new drivers and everything) and my connection is good at the moment.. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Odd, I know.. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • AsanoAsano Join Date: 2004-01-21 Member: 25560Members, Constellation
    I got a small question where is the QOS Pkt scheduler at ? and how do i disable it on windows 2k ? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    ummm
    start--> settings --> Controll panel --> Networkconections --> Rclick Your networkconnection(what ever it is) --> Properties

    in that menu there might be said qos pkt scheduler <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> (uncheck it)
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  • AsanoAsano Join Date: 2004-01-21 Member: 25560Members, Constellation
    edited February 2004
    Muahaha! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> DIE skulk! <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif' /><!--endemo-->
    and Thx for the help <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    np <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    did it help?
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  • Doobie_DanDoobie_Dan Join Date: 2003-10-23 Member: 21892Members, Constellation
    edited February 2004
    Your computer lagging due to it not being able to handle the game CAN cause lag. Before it sends and receives packets, it has to go from the NIC/modem to the processor/memory etc. It's obviously not the major issue, but it can be to a smaller degree.

    I notice the same problem as him, only in crowded rooms in combat maps (maybe in ns and I haven't noticed). It never happened with 2.01 in WON.

    Edit: Xstremo... your avatar... omg...
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  • AsanoAsano Join Date: 2004-01-21 Member: 25560Members, Constellation
    Yea it helped thxs <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • XstremoXstremo Join Date: 2004-02-05 Member: 26095Members
    I haven't seen a solution yet.. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • AngeluszAngelusz Harmonic entropist Join Date: 2003-07-10 Member: 18072Members, Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester
    Xstremo's avatar rox, about 100000 people use it. because its good. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Anyway, what does the disabling of QOS do?
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  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    QoS is not related to xstremo's prob but here is a quick one:
    Basicaly it is designed to not swamp a slow connection by trying to send out pkts to fast. It will regulate the flow, however this just causes choke <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
    Note, I think I am basicaly wrong on that (exept for the choke factor <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
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  • AngeluszAngelusz Harmonic entropist Join Date: 2003-07-10 Member: 18072Members, Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester
    <!--QuoteBegin-Thansal+Feb 7 2004, 10:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thansal @ Feb 7 2004, 10:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> QoS is not related to xstremo's prob but here is a quick one:
    Basicaly it is designed to not swamp a slow connection by trying to send out pkts to fast. It will regulate the flow, however this just causes choke <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
    Note, I think I am basicaly wrong on that (exept for the choke factor <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    lol? you're basically wrong, means, that all you just posted there is crap? ^^

    Well, i'll disable it then, let's see wheter that'll boost me internet connection <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • XstremoXstremo Join Date: 2004-02-05 Member: 26095Members
    OI! Gimme me friggin solution!
    <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • XstremoXstremo Join Date: 2004-02-05 Member: 26095Members
    NS just lost a customer.. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    *Uninstalls*
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