I Think I've Been Overclocked

Nil_IQ · January 2004

<div class="IPBDescription">Holy sizzling athalons batman!</div> Some of you who know me from NS (as Roadkill) may know that my computer suffers from frequent crashing fits. Now, after owning the thing for a year and a half, I think i've finally sussed why it does it.

I've been overclocked.

That's the only explaination. Why else would my mainboard reach over 50 degrees (that's 122 farenheight) in 20 minutes?

A week ago, I downloaded a diagnostic program (SiSoft Sandra) to see what was wrong. The first error message I see is

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Warning W2541 - FSB exceeds chipset rated FSB. If you’re over clocking the system just be aware that it may not be as stable as you may think.
Fix: Reduce the FSB in the BIOS settings/jumpers to the rated FSB.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

Well that sounded right, it certainly isn't "stable". The second message I noticed was that my CPU temperature was too hot, which was strange because i'd only been playing NS for about 1/2 an hour beforehand.

To cut a long story short (I have re-written this entre post because I rambled), I have what <i>claims</i> to be an Athalon XP1800+ (which is 1533mhz), but occasionally it will switch back to 1050mhz. It also gets very hot very quickly, which is particularly noticeable with CPU-intensive games (20 minutes of Halo and it was at 60C/140F degrees, ouch).

I'm begining to question whether maybe the guys at the computer shop gave me a 1050mhz processor and overclocked it, then charged me for a 1500. If this is what they've done, i'm impressed. That's actually a really good, if morally wrong idea, although it DOES leave me with a computer which could double as an electric oven if I could fit an egg on the heatsink.

So, how do I know if i've been overclocked? (SiSoft Sandra seems to think I have been) And what should I do? Complain to the computer people or just put more fans in and live with it? (they <i>were</i> cheap after all.

Before the inevitable reply comes up, here are my specs:

Althalon 1800+ (1533mhz)
384mb RAM
Radeon 9700 pro
Really obscure sound card
Don't know the make of motherboard, but it's an SiS something

Okay, those specs probably didn't help much, but if you need to know any other specs, let me know. As it is, it seems to be only one specific part of the motherboard (one of the heatsinks) which gets hot, so i'm going to see if I can get a bigger heat sink, or just point a big fan in there for now.

Thanks in advance for helping a computar nub.

Berger · January 2004

That sounds very familiar. Where did you download this program?

Zel · January 2004

which heatsink is getting hot? some boards have lots of them.

the athlonxp 1800 runs at 11.5x133
there is no athlon rated to 1050 default, although some motherboards can read the wrong default speed.

if you can find the motherboard model or rated speed of it, it would be very helpful. that error from SiSoftSandra sounds like the motherboard is running faster than its rated at, causing the northbridge to overheat, as opposed to the processor, which can probably handle that overclock.

also, get the speed of your ram. it would say PC100, PC133, PC2100, PC2700 or PC3200. at the speed your motherboard is running right now you should have at least PC133.

if it takes the system 20 minutes to overheat then perhaps the culprit is overall case airflow. rerouting wires or leaving the sidepanel off may solve that. no matter how well a heatsink works, if the whole chassis heats up itll be useless.

a top quality cpu heatsink will cost 30-50 USD and a northbridge cooler costs 15-30 USD, and depending on your motherboard, it may be very difficult (or easy) to change the northbridge heatsink. however, the healthiest thing would be to run the motherboard at its rated speed, as opposed to increasing cooling. definitely ask the place you bought it from, because if the computer came overclocked then they ripped you off.

Nil_IQ · January 2004

I don't know what a northbridge is, but i've managed to isolate the part which gets the hottest; it seems to be a headsink more-or-less in the middle of the processor. I doubt if this helps but it's orange <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

I should think putting a bigger heatsink in it's place and/or another fan pointed at it would help.

As for the speed of my ram, i'll have to turn my comp off to find it, so i'll post back when i've found out.

Zel · January 2004

there should be a very large heatsink near the top of the board that has a fan on it. thats the cpu heatsink. the main hsf (hsf = heatsink+fan combo).

under that, but above the videocard is another heatsink. thats the northbridge, its the main chip of the motherboard, and controls the interface between your add-on cards, ram and processor. its also called the motherboard chipset. sounds like according to SiSoft Sandra that it wants to run at 100 mhz, and someone's made it go at 133mhz. (that accounts for the 1.053ghz vs 1.533 ghz discrepancy, because a processor runs at the motherboard speed times a certain multiplier scalar. your processor is doing 11.5 times 133, and 1053 would be 10.5 times 100. thats a pretty darn large overclock for the motherboard, but not too bad on the processor (low-end athlons easily go way up there))

//too many parenthesees...

see if theres any words written on the mainboard while youre in there, sometimes between the card slots on the lower end itll say the model name. gotta find out its specifications!

edit: also try and see how that middle heatsink is attached, some northbridges have clips and can be easily changed by messing with the clips. but some of them of your board's approximate age were glued on and it would be too much work or dangerous to change. a fan pointing at it would be the best bet in that situation, or running it at spec (at spec = at specified, rated speed)

Nil_IQ · January 2004

Right, my ram is in 2 sticks, the 128mb one is PC133, the other stick doesn't have any writing on. *edit* The other stick is newer so most likely as good if not better *edit*

The part that's overheating is DEFINATELY the northbridge from what you've said. Does this mean I need a new mobo, or will it be easy to get a bigger/better heatsink? I know you said it could be either way, but what is generally the case?

As for what model my mobo is, i'm still clueless. No visible writing but i'm sure it's an SiS (sillicon integrated systems) one.

Well, until I can get to the PC shop, *points desk fan at northbridge*

Zel · January 2004

SiS made the northbridge, but many motherboard manufacturers use SiS chipsets.

youll have to see how the northbridge heatsink is attached. some are epoxied on, which, although possible is damn hard to remove. some ahve metal clippies like bent paperclips, which arent too difficult to jerry-rig a new one in place, and some have pushpins, which are the easist to remove, although youll have to remove the mobo from the chassis to do that. (mobo = motherboard)

<a href='http://www.xoxide.com/thti1hipecha.html' target='_blank'>http://www.xoxide.com/thti1hipecha.html</a>
<a href='http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/vaniccopchip.html' target='_blank'>http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/vaniccopchip.html</a>
<a href='http://www.zalman.co.kr/english/product/zm-nb47j.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.zalman.co.kr/english/product/zm-nb47j.htm</a>

be careful with fan speeds, these tiny 40mm fans can get an annoying buzz.

edit: ive got a big tall fanless one thatll do 200 mhz <a href='http://www.amdzone.com/articleimages/motherboards/asus/a7v600/socket.jpg' target='_blank'>http://www.amdzone.com/articleimages/mothe...v600/socket.jpg</a>

Soylent_green · January 2004

Nil Iq, unless you have done it before or have help from someone who have, installing an athlon XP heatsink is quite scary.

The core is a bare(like pentium 3's) thumbnail-sized, glass-like rectangle and those heatsinks usually strap on pretty hard, applying lots of pressure to the core. And it is quite easy to slip up with the screw driver when attaching the "straps" and doing a nice little gash in the motherboard. Be sure you know what your doing(not that it's particularilly difficult but the result of doing things like carelessly applying lots of force to one side of the heat sink and chiping the core is not fun) and take it easy.

Also, do clean of the old gunk(don't use oily substances, use pure aceton, iso-propanol or something like that which won't leave residue when it evaporates. Preferably use a clean lint-free cloth, but plain toilet paper will do if you must(blow of any lint if you can see it afterwards, don't leave finger prints on the core)). If the old interface material is that rubbery stuff that melts when you heat it aceton will work best. If you have that stearine like stuff Intel likes to use then your going to need something stronger in all likelyhood, like xylen or tolouen(...or benzene if your not easily scared by carcinogens).

You need new thermal interface material, some coolers come with it. If the one you choose does not then you need to get some yourself, most people prefer paste, I would get a small tube of arctic silver 3 or 5(a good quality silver paste that is easy to clean off) whichever is easiest/cheapest to find.

As for a heat sink, if you really hate noise then you might want something like the copper/aluminium version of the zalman cnps7000 if your mother-board has mounting holes around the CPU heatsink(in case your wondering, the all copper version is very heavy and I wouldn't dare strapping that thing to a bare-cored processor).

You can grab a program like <a href='http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php#download' target='_blank'>CPU-Z</a> and you should be able to use that to find the processors real identity.

Soylent_green · January 2004

... and oh, you tend to reach the equilibrium in something like 20 minutes under full load, so I don't think you need that much added cooling, you might even get away with just changing the thermal interface material to something better and doing it properly(using too much or leaving thick greasy fingerprints will definetly hurt performance, you want the thinest, even layer that completely covers the core possible).

If you live close to a computer hardware store you can probably get a small tube of descent paste quite cheaply, and ~3g is good for at least 10 re-applications even if you apply too much and have to take some off(when applying, you usually put a small amount on and use a sharp edge like a razor, crafts knife, expired(clean) credit/student discount/library cards or such and gently spread it out over the entire core applying very little pressure and most people take some and smear on the bottom of the heatsink then wipe of the excess with a lint-free cloth as well). If you have to get a new heat-sink you might need it anyway(unless it comes with a small square of pre-applied paste/tape/stearine like crap), so this is the definite cheap-o way to go, the only drawback is that you might need to do it twice if using better paste alone didn't work and the second time you re-install the heat-sink is as creepy as the first <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'>.

[WHO]Them · January 2004

it could also be that it's possessed by the devil.

My cpu runs at 60C/140F all the time. I just thought it was normal for that model ( AMD T-Bird 1.2GHz ).

Zel · January 2004

50C is mediocre 60C is unhealthy, 70C is dangerous, 80C is deadly. 40C is very nice, 30C and your chip will not age (really, itll live twice its normal life expectancy)

i mean, 60 works, but the chip will die after about three years of uptime.

athlon 1.2 is a very hot chip, i think 50C is normal. your 60 is a bit high, the case probably has poor airflow. many smaller retail cases with pentium fours run 55-60, and they sell millions of those things.

of course, <a href='http://pcdb.overclockers.com.au/view.php?page=spic&name=Starkin&picname=Starkin_5.jpg' target='_blank'>mine</a> runs about 35 C after overclocking <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

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but keep in mind that Nil_IQ's problem was with his northbridge chipset, not the processor itself. also, some motherboards read back temperatures 10C different from others due to calibration problems with the thermal sensors.

DiscoZombie · January 2004

does a liquid cooling system like that use hella electricity? or is it comparable to fans?

Zel · January 2004

err... my pump is using a couple watts, maybe half a lightbulb worth, electricity generally isnt soemthing we worry about. but a silent pump and a slower fan on the radiator makes the system twice as quiet as if you had howevermany fans it would take to keep your processor at 35C <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'> quiet, stable, fun, and lots of work, and not really cheap. its a hobby. theres a reason dell and compaq dont use watercooling. (although some places are starting to sell liquid cooled laptops with the new generation processors)

Nil_IQ · January 2004

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Soylent green @ Jan 18 2004, 06:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Nil Iq, unless you have done it before or have help from someone who have, installing an athlon XP heatsink is quite scary.

The core is a bare(like pentium 3's) thumbnail-sized, glass-like rectangle and those heatsinks usually strap on pretty hard, applying lots of pressure to the core. And it is quite easy to slip up with the screw driver when attaching the "straps" and doing a nice little gash in the motherboard. Preferably use a clean lint-free cloth, but plain toilet paper will do if you must blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah computer-talk computer-talk computer-talk computer-talk computer-talk computer-talk computer-talk computer-talk computer-talk computer-talk </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Woah woah woah! Don't get me wrong, there is NO WAY i'm going to try and do this on my own. In case you didn't notice, I didn't know what a northbridge was before this post, so no way am I going to try and change it myself, but thanks for your enthusiasm. SiSoft Sandra does say that my maximum FSB is 100mhz, while my frontside bus is at 133.

Oh, and it wasn't a 1050 before, it was a 1150, which sounds like a more reasonable overclock. Just a shame that the computer shop is so far away; you have to go a loooong way to find a place that doesn't rip you off (no, I don't think they ripped <i>me</i> off considering how much I payed for it).

HonkindaBig · January 2004

I would update your BIOS and then run SiSoft again and see if anything changes. Had somewhat of a similiar problem and it was just the SiSoft using some of the information from your BIOS to indentify clock speeds and such which gave me errors before I updated my BIOS.

Some motherboard BIOS information also dont have there temp parameters correct and can be -/+10 degrees in reality.

Use SiSoft to give you motherboard information or just simple open it and look for a model # on the motherboard and use that in a search engine to find a BIOS update.

Hope this helps!

GWAR · January 2004

Edit: Your talking about chipsets, not cpus... Ooops....

Soylent_green · January 2004

4800 RPMs is high, much higher then you should need to cool that thing, your using an all aluminum heat sink/tiny fan or something right? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'>

Nil_IQ · January 2004

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (GWAR @ Jan 19 2004, 12:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> What RPM is your heat sink running at? mine runs too slow (4800 rpms) but it still stays relatively cool due to good airflow in my case.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
I have no idea. I thought the heat-sink itself was just the metal bit, how can it have a "speed"?

And as I stated before, it's only the northbridge getting hot, not the processor.

Soylent_green · January 2004

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Woah woah woah! Don't get me wrong, there is NO WAY i'm going to try and do this on my own. In case you didn't notice, I didn't know what a northbridge was before this post, so no way am I going to try and change it myself, but thanks for your enthusiasm.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

... At some point I didn't know what a north bridge was either, I learned, it really isn't difficult(still, changing a bare-cored processor is somewhat creepy)...

At least try running CPU-Z which is a program for identifying CPU's...

Soylent_green · January 2004

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I have no idea. I thought the heat-sink itself was just the metal bit, how can it have a "speed"?</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

Correct, it is just a metal chunk but they allmost allways come with a fan stuck to the top that usually is screwed or glued. He was just being lazy and refering to "that fan on the heat-sink" with heat-sink.

If you go into BIOS and look around you can usually find information on fan speeds, some motherboards/fans do not support this however. Some programs that can be run from windows are capable of displaying the fan speed as well if the motherboard supports it.

Nil_IQ · January 2004

My fan's running at 2801rpm, which i'm pretty sure isn't very much. My northbridge doesn't have a fan, only a smallish heatsink.

When I get it taken to the shop I should probably ask them to put an extra fan in there as well as a new northbridge...

Soylent_green · January 2004

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>My fan's running at 2801rpm</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>, my fans running at ~1400 RPM(big and slow), but it's attached to a ~750 g chunk of pure copper, that makes alot of difference.

romano · January 2004

To answer your question, <b>NO</b> you were not "overclocked". 1150mhz is the proper speed for an XP 1800+ when running at 100mhz FSB (multiplier of 11.5, 11.5x100 = 1150mhz). To get the proper CPU speed of 1533mhz, you must run the chip at 133mhz FSB, which puts it at 11.5x133 = 1533.

First off, Sandra is known to report incorrect things from time to time, so take those readings with a grain of salt. Now, download and run CPU-Z, found <a href='http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php' target='_blank'>here</a>. Although it appears the site is down atm, so I've mirrorred it <a href='http://s89071063.onlinehome.us/files/cpuz.zip' target='_blank'>here</a>. Run this program and take some screenshots of the "CPU" and "Mainboard" tabs. Here are mine for reference.. <a href='http://s89071063.onlinehome.us/files/cpuz1.jpg' target='_blank'>CPU tab</a>, <a href='http://s89071063.onlinehome.us/files/cpuz2.jpg' target='_blank'>Mainboard tab</a>.

This will give you detailed <i>correct</i> information about your CPU and Mainboard model/maker. Most likely the motherboard you are using does not support 133mhz FSB CPUs, which is why your XP1800+ defaults to 1150mhz.

From where I sit you'll end up having 2 options... (1) enjoying a 1150mhz CPU and try to sort out your overheating issues, or (2) buy a new mobo which supports your CPU, run it at 1533mhz, and most likely solve your overheating <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Majin · January 2004

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nil_IQ @ Jan 19 2004, 01:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> My fan's running at 2801rpm, which i'm pretty sure isn't very much. My northbridge doesn't have a fan, only a smallish heatsink.

When I get it taken to the shop I should probably ask them to put an extra fan in there as well as a new northbridge...  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Just put the fans in your self!
Go to the local Computer Store and buy a pair of 5 inch cooling fans.
They are very simple to install. Get the ones that have a connecter, so you can use your existing power connecters to power the fan.

I added 4 Case fans when I got my system.
I have a 4 inch on the CPU heat sinks and a 5 inch aimed at the base of the CPU and the MB.

The point is, I don't need all these fans, but every part of my computer is FROSTY!

Adding lots of extra fans is ALOT cheaper than getting a Liquid cooled system.

Talesin · January 2004

Which is why I always go with ASUS mobos, with the VIA chipset. No silliness like this to deal with.

Nil, if you go the new-mobo route (no, they can't just swap out the northbridge) I'd recommend the ASUS A7V8X Deluxe, or the A7V600/-X. Good, solid boards that I'd swear by (instead of at, like the nForce crap) to a customer.

(edit) And just how loud is your case, Majin? And by '4-inch', do you mean 80mm? 5-inch would be a 92mm? Or did you mean a 120mm? (Yes, computer case fans are rated in millimeters for the most part, not inches) What kind of CFM do you get with those fans? Did you take the time to set up a proper path? What's your I/O rating? I maintain a 1:2, in my machine. (/edit)

Majin · January 2004

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Talesin @ Jan 19 2004, 02:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Which is why I always go with ASUS mobos, with the VIA chipset. No silliness like this to deal with.

Nil, if you go the new-mobo route (no, they can't just swap out the northbridge) I'd recommend the ASUS A7V8X Deluxe, or the A7V600/-X. Good, solid boards that I'd swear by (instead of at, like the nForce crap) to a customer.

(edit) And just how loud is your case, Majin? And by '4-inch', do you mean 80mm? 5-inch would be a 92mm? Or did you mean a 120mm? (Yes, computer case fans are rated in millimeters for the most part, not inches) What kind of CFM do you get with those fans? Did you take the time to set up a proper path? What's your I/O rating? I maintain a 1:2, in my machine. (/edit)  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
First,
I have a AUSU MB
with VIA X533 Chip Set. Nothing ever goes wrong, ever! Not to mention the inteligent BIOS that will alart you to over heating and adjust fan speed.

Taken from <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=17&t=59604' target='_blank'>Here</a>
</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
1 is on the Processor = 80mm
1 aimed at the Processor = 92mm
1 is aimed at the CD-RW/DVD roms = 92mm
1 is aimed across the MB = 92mm
1 is out the front = 92mm
1 is out the back = 92mm
1 is on the GFX card = about 50 mm
1 is for the Power = 92mm
</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Yep thats right you read it correct my case has a total of 8 fans in it.
Its so damn Loud, you don't want to know. Not to mentions I wired the 1 aimed at the processor into the same power line as the one on the CPU so when the CPU adjusts its speed to increase cooling so does the 92mm one aimed at the base. The thing sounds like its reving!
Then you have the CD/DVD roms, when they start up!

I went over bord on cooling because you can never have enough.
I check the Bios readout of the CPU, it never gets above 32c

Soylent_green · January 2004

[QUOTE]To answer your question, NO you were not "overclocked". 1150mhz is the proper speed for an XP 1800+ when running at 100mhz FSB (multiplier of 11.5, 11.5x100 = 1150mhz). To get the proper CPU speed of 1533mhz, you must run the chip at 133mhz FSB, which puts it at 11.5x133 = 1533.[/QUOTE]

It might possibly be an athlon chip(most of which run at 100 MHz FSB) running with a multiplier of 11.5, allthough I'm not sure if they ever made 11.5 multipliers for that series. It is unlikely that such a processor would overclock all the way to 1533 MHz. Also it could be an athlon XP 1500+ or something that has been overclocked by using a higher multiplier if the motherboard allows setting the multiplier. I know some VIA and Nforce do, don't know about SIS.

[QOUTE]First off, Sandra is known to report incorrect things from time to time, so take those readings with a grain of salt. Now, download and run CPU-Z, found here. Although it appears the site is down atm, so I've mirrorred it here. Run this program and take some screenshots of the "CPU" and "Mainboard" tabs. Here are mine for reference.. CPU tab, Mainboard tab.[/QUOTE]

I've allready suggested that twice.

MedHead · January 2004

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zel @ Jan 18 2004, 08:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> 50C is mediocre 60C is unhealthy, 70C is dangerous, 80C is deadly. 40C is very nice, 30C and your chip will not age (really, itll live twice its normal life expectancy)

i mean, 60 works, but the chip will die after about three years of uptime.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Here's a list of temps for Athlons:

<a href='http://www.thedigerati.us/info/amdcpuchart.html' target='_blank'>http://www.thedigerati.us/info/amdcpuchart.html</a>

It's not strange to have that hot of a chip.

Teufel_Eldritch · January 2004

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MedHead · January 2004

Try it again... it's working now.

Nil_IQ · January 2004

So basically it's new mobo time. Meh.

*edit* Ok, so what sort of mobo do I want? I can probably ask the guys in the store, but if you can recommend me something it would help. It needs to support bigger processors, since that's the next thing i'm upgrading (i'm thinking at least 2.6ghz, I want it to last a while). Apart from RAM, but that's not exactly hard to install <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

*edit edit* Sooo in other words I haven't been overclocked, i've been whatever it's called when my mobo is working harder than it should. Is there even a word for that? I would suggest moboclocking would be a good word for it <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

I Think I've Been Overclocked

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