A Suggestion

dignomedignome Join Date: 2003-08-04 Member: 18853Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
For maps officially accepted into the NS mod, why not make it a requirement to submit the source .map to the team as well. They could store it on a disk or some other removable media safely. (cds have a shelf life of 60/70 years) And, by request, send the source to the author if something should happen. (Or if the author leaves the community he may assign someone else to make the changes, unless told by the author not to continue it)

That is the hardest thing to replace. Textures, sounds and all other things can easily be redone. It's sad to see some of the best maps become lost when the mapper formats and forgets to backup the files or in a hard drive failure. I'm glad that ns_nancy will be coming back, but I really liked ns_bast. (I'm probably the only one that liked it though)

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  • DarkATiDarkATi Revelation 22:17 Join Date: 2003-06-20 Member: 17532Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin--dignome+Jan 18 2004, 01:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dignome @ Jan 18 2004, 01:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> For maps officially accepted into the NS mod, why not make it a requirement to submit the source .map to the team as well. They could store it on a disk or some other removable media safely. (cds have a shelf life of 60/70 years) And, by request, send the source to the author if something should happen. (Or if the author leaves the community he may assign someone else to make the changes, unless told by the author not to continue it)

    That is the hardest thing to replace. Textures, sounds and all other things can easily be redone. It's sad to see some of the best maps become lost when the mapper formats and forgets to backup the files or in a hard drive failure. I'm glad that ns_nancy will be coming back, but I really liked ns_bast. (I'm probably the only one that liked it though) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    A good idea and it has already happened. Flayra requires the BSP and the RMF/MAP file because of what happened to Bast and Nancy.

    ~ DarkATi
  • RiceyRicey Join Date: 2003-01-04 Member: 11822Members
    in 60 to 70 years we'll be using coins to hold info.. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> and word DO BACK UP.. i didnt and i lost half of co_farm <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> (everyone on #nsmapping knows it)
  • AeaAea Join Date: 2003-10-09 Member: 21552Members
    Why didn't the mappers do backups of such important maps anyhow?
  • PlaguebearerPlaguebearer Join Date: 2002-03-21 Member: 338Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Sometimes even backups fail. I used to keep all my maps and mapping stuff (texture wads, source pics, etc) backed up on a HD all of their own... and then had that one AND my main drive fail simultaneously.
  • MrBenMrBen ns_eclipse, ns_veil caretaker Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8575Members
    I distrubute my rmf quite abit and have it uploaded so if my hdd fails then i can get it back off someone else or download it. Depends what is the most recent version.
  • EriasErias Join Date: 2003-08-17 Member: 19878Members
    Back up important files (like maps that you've worked on for months) on a separate physical drive or two (c'mon, hard disk space is a dime-a-dozen nowadays) and <i>burn cd's</i> ... cd's don't easily get corrupted or damaged.

    Backup is your friend. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • JezpuhJezpuh Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15157Banned
    Well, it's a good idea. But now this new decompiler is out, it will be easier to get your map back.
  • amckernamckern Join Date: 2003-03-03 Member: 14249Members, Constellation
    just dont let your cd's melt in the sun

    also if there is a fire, just take your backup cd, and not the hole computer

    parts can be replaced, data cant

    amckern
  • JezpuhJezpuh Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15157Banned
    Wow dude, you scare everyone away with your fire disasters <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    edited January 2004
    Bad news people!!!

    If we put it on cd we only have 5 to 10 years left to make a backup of that <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    <a href='http://www.m2com.com/cdfaqs.html' target='_blank'>The FAQ</a>

    DVD recorables on the other hand have a lifetime of 100 years (or so I was told)
    4.7gb for a file of 5 to 10 mb... Ah wel just put your entire half-life directory on it to so you can play ns and map just about anywhere where there is a dvd player <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • dignomedignome Join Date: 2003-08-04 Member: 18853Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Although manufacturers quote studies that predict lifetimes of 20, 50, or even 100 years for a written or manufactured disc, the longevity will no doubt ultimately be limited by the cumulative effects of small scratches and contaminants that are introduced through normal handling and use.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The shelf life of an unrecorded disc has been estimated at between 5 and 10 years.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    ^Why would you store a blank disc again?

    Why would you constantly be using a backup disc? I'm going to go ahead and believe the 60/70 year information, as I have cd-rs from the 80's that still work...with no data loss. With all the information out there on the internet, they are correct. Manufacturing standards do change. Cd's aren't made from the exact same materials from year to year. And, if you misuse or improperly store the cd, it will be messed up very shortly. That's why I have all my cd's in jewel cases and not laying around on a table or something just waiting to be scratched up...especially the important stuff.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Q: What is the unrecorded shelf life of CD-R Media? How long can I store a CD-R disc before I record on it?

    A: Media manufacturers estimate the shelf life of CD-R media to be between 5 and 10 years.

    Q: How long will data recorded on a CD-R disc remain readable?

    A: Lifetime estimation of any storage medium is a very complex and statistics-based process. Improper testing or measurement procedures can seriously impact and compromise lifetime estimates. ANSI Committee IT-9 is currently developing comprehensive guidelines for CD-ROM and CD-R life estimation. The CD-R media manufacturers have performed extensive media longevity studies using these industry defined tests and mathematical modeling techniques, with results claiming longevity from 70 years to over 200 years. The primary caveat is how you handle and store the media. With proper handling and storage, your CD-Rs will outlive you. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
  • amckernamckern Join Date: 2003-03-03 Member: 14249Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--JezPuh+Jan 19 2004, 11:19 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JezPuh @ Jan 19 2004, 11:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Wow dude, you scare everyone away with your fire disasters <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Wow dude, you scare everyone away with your fire disasters <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    When U live in australia, with at least 3 threats each xmas, you gota leran the best way to save your ****, and data

    amckern
  • ReebdoogReebdoog Join Date: 2003-09-20 Member: 21035Members
    Yeh, true, i love Down here, And the threats aren't great, specially over summer. Alot of people i know have a removable hard-drive with all tehir stuff on it and just grab that if they need to run
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