so they changed the destroyable nodes already? <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo-->
Comon, everyone 'grows' out of that noob stage eventualy Messenjah. Also a quick Q: Didn't see it in the log but has Power armor been removed? thought I saw that somewhere.(hopes he's wrong.)
I realize that. I am just making sure that I dont go around acting like I know everything and that it is imposible that I might be wrong by doing the exact oposite.
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<!--QuoteBegin--Khaim+Oct. 04 2002,22:15--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Khaim @ Oct. 04 2002,22:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Comon, everyone 'grows' out of that noob stage eventualy Messenjah. Also a quick Q: Didn't see it in the log but has Power armor been removed? thought I saw that somewhere.(hopes he's wrong.)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> i believe power armors been gone for a few rcs now...
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<!--QuoteBegin--Fam+Oct. 04 2002,21:40--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Fam @ Oct. 04 2002,21:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->What? Eh? Stop making things up! All of the alien abilities are your normal weapon keys, 1-4 in my case. If you have hud_autoswitch (or fastswitch, I forget) turned on, to blink you press 3, then click. Its not hard. This does not mean you have to traverse the menu, it is just to stop cheaters. Any arguments? No? Good.
Messenjah: That refers to func_breakables mostly.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> pwned ^_^
Power armor was replaced by Heavy armor, if i'm not mistaken (which I probably am, but I swear I saw that somewhere.)
Destructable nodes just means this game is going to be even more dynamic than it already is. Defending your base, your buildings, and now, defending your resources. All while attacking your enemy's..well...everything
<!--QuoteBegin--Zcaliber+Oct. 04 2002,15:28--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Zcaliber @ Oct. 04 2002,15:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->As I recall, Power armor was NOT replaced by heavy armor.
Power armor is a universal Marine upgrade.
Heavy Armor is a droppable 'Item'.
I could be wrong though...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Exactly!
I can see where most of them are coming but this thread is turning into a nest of out of date or just plain never happened rumours.
On Resource Towers, I might find it a bit annoying but seeing as how I know next to nothing of the play dynamics I can't judge. Let the PTs get through on RC with it in and then let them say if the system works or if it's frustrating for such and such reason.
As for the resource node thing, I agree with their effort to decrease gaming time and rampant node switching, but I don't agree with the method. (and no, I haven't played)
Perhaps when you destroy the resource tower, you destroy (ie. ignite or whatever) a signficant portion of those resources. So, if a resource node is switched a couple times, it then soon becomes unprofittable to take it over again.
Just a suggestion. A variation on that might be better.
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<b>Point 1:</b> As Comprox said, Power Armor no longer exists. It will not appear in NS. Armor for marines works as follows:
Standard: 50 armor. Each armor upgrade (max of 3) adds 20 points to base armor, and improves absorption (I don't have figures).
Heavy Armor: 200 armor. Armor upgrades add 20/upgrade. Heavy Armor absorbs 100% damage.
<b>Point 2:</b> The destroyable resource nodes are 99% likely being taken out. I did not hear Flay say this officially, so I may be wrong; however, I did hear him say "it looks like the destroyable nodes make games *longer*, not shorter. Guess that didn't work."
PsuedoKnight, I like that idea. And maby all three modes could be toggled by the server? Unlimited node switching - Decreasing profit node switching - No node switching or something like that... maby the names of the modes could be better than those I came up with though... <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->
or maby just a variable that you set to 0, 1 or 2...
Long games are fine as long as anyone who joins the game half-way through has the same advantages as someone who has been playing from the begining of the map and can, within a reasonable amount of time, figure out what is going on and where.
The problem is NS is being made for public games. People will want to play short games, fast rounds...
On the one side, long games are good; you can really get in the game, and if you win/lose you really are exited about it. You have the time to get deep into tactics, etc. However, if games take too long, the game gets boring, and might result in a stalemate.
On the internet, i think games of 30 minutes/45 minutes are good. In counterstrike you can see people getting on and off the server all the time, in NS it makes a difference since you become a team...
I think the dev's aim for the best lenght there is. We all do. Trust.
....Buh? Er... okay. I'll just have to play NS and see the resource node thing and see how it is... It would appear many share my opinion of it being a bad idea...
20 points? Wouldn't that make it come out at some... "rare-seen" armor number in a game, like, 70, 90, and 110, as opposed to 80, 100, and 120? Those sound like more common numbers, but I guess it's up to you. I mean, when I have 90 armor or health (besides while playing as a Medic in TFC), I think "....Am I at max armor or what?..." But if it's 80, 100, or 120 (like the Demoman), I'm still a little confused, but I can figure out quicker that I am at max.
i thnik Flayra is right, the games can take too long, mostly when aliens or marines really try to get a very good attack time (only lv5´s and HAM´s) and i dont think you all have flatrates (i hope you know what this is, i live in germany and dont know if it is available in america and other countries too)
Nice work on double-posting, nuke... <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->
Destroyable nodes? When you say the code is gone, you mean the code that makes it so that you can't build towers on nodes after a previous tower has been destroyed? Okay, let me say it in English. You mean the code that makes nodes non-reuseable is gone? Or it's still in? I hope it's gone. I want to reuse them... erm... RTS style... well... I can't think of many RTS's that use "nodes" as their resource points...
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->The destroyable node code is gone. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Hooray! Common sense triumphs once again!
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->I can't think of many RTS's that use "nodes" as their resource points... The only one I can think of is KKND.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> How could you not think of Total Annihilation? NS nodes sound exactly like metal patches, except that metal was unlimited.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->and i dont think you all have flatrates<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Broadband flatrates are very common nowadays. I wouldn't be concerned about that. It's not a very convincing argument for shorter games anyway, as even the people who pay time based fees stay online for longer, fixed periods of time.
<!--QuoteBegin--CollateralDamage+Oct. 04 2002--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (CollateralDamage @ Oct. 04 2002)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->I think it's more a question of how <i>long</i> the delay has to be before a tower can be rebuilt.
By the way, is the number of resources one node can yield limited?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That is the best idea I have read so far. I'd definately like to see that rather that never be able to use it again.
Forget that, I read the rest of the thread now. I'm also glad that idea is scrapped.
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I assumed what the guy above me said was true and if it was then I still think that I am right.
(yes, I WILL continue to blame things on being a n00b for a good while)
Didn't see it in the log but has Power armor been removed? thought I saw that somewhere.(hopes he's wrong.)
Didn't see it in the log but has Power armor been removed? thought I saw that somewhere.(hopes he's wrong.)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i believe power armors been gone for a few rcs now...
Messenjah: That refers to func_breakables mostly.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
pwned ^_^
Destructable nodes just means this game is going to be even more dynamic than it already is. Defending your base, your buildings, and now, defending your resources. All while attacking your enemy's..well...everything
But what do I know?
Power armor is a universal Marine upgrade.
Heavy Armor is a droppable 'Item'.
I could be wrong though...
Power armor is a universal Marine upgrade.
Heavy Armor is a droppable 'Item'.
I could be wrong though...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Exactly!
I can see where most of them are coming but this thread is turning into a nest of out of date or just plain never happened rumours.
On Resource Towers, I might find it a bit annoying but seeing as how I know next to nothing of the play dynamics I can't judge. Let the PTs get through on RC with it in and then let them say if the system works or if it's frustrating for such and such reason.
Perhaps when you destroy the resource tower, you destroy (ie. ignite or whatever) a signficant portion of those resources. So, if a resource node is switched a couple times, it then soon becomes unprofittable to take it over again.
Just a suggestion. A variation on that might be better.
Standard: 50 armor.
Each armor upgrade (max of 3) adds 20 points to base armor, and improves absorption (I don't have figures).
Heavy Armor: 200 armor. Armor upgrades add 20/upgrade. Heavy Armor absorbs 100% damage.
<b>Point 2:</b> The destroyable resource nodes are 99% likely being taken out. I did not hear Flay say this officially, so I may be wrong; however, I did hear him say "it looks like the destroyable nodes make games *longer*, not shorter. Guess that didn't work."
Unlimited node switching - Decreasing profit node switching - No node switching
or something like that... maby the names of the modes could be better than those I came up with though... <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->
or maby just a variable that you set to 0, 1 or 2...
I like NS BECAUSE of the ability to have long games.
On the one side, long games are good; you can really get in the game, and if you win/lose you really are exited about it. You have the time to get deep into tactics, etc. However, if games take too long, the game gets boring, and might result in a stalemate.
On the internet, i think games of 30 minutes/45 minutes are good. In counterstrike you can see people getting on and off the server all the time, in NS it makes a difference since you become a team...
I think the dev's aim for the best lenght there is. We all do. Trust.
20 points? Wouldn't that make it come out at some... "rare-seen" armor number in a game, like, 70, 90, and 110, as opposed to 80, 100, and 120? Those sound like more common numbers, but I guess it's up to you. I mean, when I have 90 armor or health (besides while playing as a Medic in TFC), I think "....Am I at max armor or what?..." But if it's 80, 100, or 120 (like the Demoman), I'm still a little confused, but I can figure out quicker that I am at max.
dur
Destroyable nodes? When you say the code is gone, you mean the code that makes it so that you can't build towers on nodes after a previous tower has been destroyed? Okay, let me say it in English. You mean the code that makes nodes non-reuseable is gone? Or it's still in? I hope it's gone. I want to reuse them... erm... RTS style... well... I can't think of many RTS's that use "nodes" as their resource points...
The only one I can think of is KKND.
Hooray! Common sense triumphs once again!
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->I can't think of many RTS's that use "nodes" as their resource points...
The only one I can think of is KKND.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
How could you not think of Total Annihilation? NS nodes sound exactly like metal patches, except that metal was unlimited.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->and i dont think you all have flatrates<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Broadband flatrates are very common nowadays. I wouldn't be concerned about that. It's not a very convincing argument for shorter games anyway, as even the people who pay time based fees stay online for longer, fixed periods of time.
And yeah it does remind me of TA
By the way, is the number of resources one node can yield limited?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That is the best idea I have read so far. I'd definately like to see that rather that never be able to use it again.
Forget that, I read the rest of the thread now. I'm also glad that idea is scrapped.