I had a really bad bout of depression last year, totally alienated everyone I knew :\. I still get depressed occassionally, but that's normal for a 15 year old who's taking AP bio and 3 honors classes...
Never been depressed from illness though. I'm glad I don't have to take any medication etc. and my best counselors have always been a friend <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->.
but meh! sorry you're going through all this, I really hope you get better. I always thought you were one of the more loose and happy go lucky guys on the forum too :\. GL w/ the depression.
Your doctor might be good but they're still only human... if you seriously know or think that you were depressed before you got diagnosed then fine but with what you actually say I'd still be inclined to get a second opinion =/
Second expertises are generally a good idea, if only to check your docs professionality: If (s)he gets offended at you asking a second doctor, (s)he ain't worth the money.
EpidemicDark Force GorgeJoin Date: 2003-06-29Member: 17781Members
<!--QuoteBegin--Geminosity+Dec 31 2003, 08:05 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Geminosity @ Dec 31 2003, 08:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> course I was talking to you zig ^^
Your doctor might be good but they're still only human... if you seriously know or think that you were depressed before you got diagnosed then fine but with what you actually say I'd still be inclined to get a second opinion =/ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> D-E-N-I-A-L
Oh well, I doubt you would get depressed because a doctor think you are, and why would he be at the doctor in the first place?
It's not so bad once you get used to it. I've dealth with " mild clinical depression" for years now. I don't bother with medication or physciatry(Which really doesn't work for the chemical kind anyway), but I have found that better nutrition can help more than you'd think. I also pray and meditate alot, which works well for me. Good luck.
well epidemic, I'm assuming you know what a placebo is... when doctors had patients who had minor problems that would fix themselves or the patient was a particularly bad hypocondriac they'd prescribe them some chalk tablets telling them it was some sort of drug or other. The patients in question would often start feeling noticably better and in some cases even heal up a little faster. Sometimes merely belief in something is enough to make it real =/
EpidemicDark Force GorgeJoin Date: 2003-06-29Member: 17781Members
My sickness makes me partially hypocondriac as well, in order to explain to me what it is. Genomosity, hypocondria doesnt make things real, you just think it's real even though is just a puff in your brain, it's ALOT better than actually being depressed <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo-->
Zig...I am Captain Planet!Join Date: 2002-10-23Member: 1576Members
<!--QuoteBegin--Geminosity+Jan 1 2004, 02:04 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Geminosity @ Jan 1 2004, 02:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> well epidemic, I'm assuming you know what a placebo is... when doctors had patients who had minor problems that would fix themselves or the patient was a particularly bad hypocondriac they'd prescribe them some chalk tablets telling them it was some sort of drug or other. The patients in question would often start feeling noticably better and in some cases even heal up a little faster. Sometimes merely belief in something is enough to make it real =/ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> i don't know what all this denial business is about. i have no opinion or judgment about any disorder i may have. if a doctor tells me "take this drug" i'll do so. as for it being a placebo.. i'm not so sure. i had tremors and almost vomited in my lap. i'm not experiencing bliss, come to think of it.
I wasn't saying they're giving you placebo zig silly, I was talking about how they work; the suggestion and belief that produces psychosomatic symptoms.
Heck, if I wanted to I could make myself physically sick just by thinking about it hard enough (great for getting out of school when I was little ^^; ). Sure you can't grow a tail or anything like that but if you put yourself in the right mindset you can cause all kinds of afflictions or effects to your body. I used to be into meditation and stuff and you could learn neat tricks like regulating body temperature and stuff (tibetan monks have a ceremony they perform where they go and sleep out on the freezing slopes of the mountain for a night in nothing but their shawls; some of the research into it had scientists freaking out =3 ). It's like talking about maggots and worms while someone's trying to eat spaghetti, do it well enough and you'll have them physically retching <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
lol, the vomit thing was waaay before i got into meditation... it's just a case of using your imagination to convince yourself that you're really going to throw up; net result is you will.
Yoga/Zen techniques are more focussed and kinda use your imagination to powerful effect too, just in a different way ^^
to be honest, it's been a very long time since I done any of it or more specifically; read anything on it. I kinda got out of the habit after a couple of oddities... for some reason meditation starts to reduce the amount of sleep you need down to a minimum of 4 over time so I was sitting doing my morning excercises at 4am (I'd went to bed at midnight and woke up full of energy at 4) when my step-dad comes down the stairs and gets a fright... he'd heard me in the living room and thought we had burglars. Anyways, he was none to happy with me and there's no decent space to get comfy in my room so that started killing the amount I did. Then I had this weird experience (weirder than the usual that is) and it kinda frightened me off it for a while and I've never got back to it ever since despite meaning to several times ^^;
bleh... it sounds silly but it was like being in all-surrounding darkness then suddenly it a big crack appears in it and there's this blinding white light shining through. I snapped out of my meditation immediately because it was so unexpected and it kinda gave me a fright and suddenly I realised I didn't have any questions. It was weird but everything felt like it made sense, like there was nothing I couldn't understand or answer. That sort of lasted for about 5 minutes and slowly drained away leaving me feeling like my normal self again but it kinda left me a bit shaken for a bit ^^;
Never felt like that before or since... I dunno... it was long ago and I've got a good imagination but it's something I can't compare anything to, self-deluded or otherwise =/
the darkness? nuh-uh, never been scared of the dark so it's always been kinda comfortable for me =3
Reading it again it sounds nutty but it's just really hard to describe it all... especially that feeling of everything making sense.
I used to dabble with all kinds of funny stuff when I was younger like reading up on the occult and looking into studies into psychic phenomenon. The two main things that left an impression were out of body experiences and oujia boards. I'd been strictly forbidden from oujia by my mum because of something that happened to her involving one; she's always been a bit sparse on the details but it involves a dead friend and it's left her incredibly fearful of oujia boards ever since =o One of the main problems with it all is that you can't really ever be sure if your mind's just playing tricks on you or if stuff is working... I could've sworn I almost saw auras after trying for a couple of weeks but it could've easily been wishful thinking. Same for my Out of Body attempts though the one I remember where I sorta 'suceeded' was odd... When I mucked up I felt like I'd actually dropped from the height I'd been viewing from and my body bucked as if it'd done it too. Wishful thinking or did it work? I dunno but I like to keep an open mind and at least it makes for interesting memories <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
EpidemicDark Force GorgeJoin Date: 2003-06-29Member: 17781Members
lol, I doubt it Zig <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> You got some guts Gem, when I was younger I had an out of body dream. Yeah you feel like getting sucked back into your body and alittle bit of the "falling" feel. I was scared shitless from sleeping for weeks <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
it's less guts and more lack of common sense and unbridled curiousity XD
My favourite experience wasn't occult or anything at all... heck, it just happened I wasn't looking for it or anything. When you go to sleep your brain sorta 'severs' your motor nerves to prevent you acting on your dreams (basically sleepwalking). In cases where this doesn't work you get people doing odd stuff in their sleep, but in my case and it's unfortunately only ever happened to me the one time... my brain didn't bother kicking the nerves back awake.
I woke up and I couldn't move an inch. If I lifted my leg I could feel the leg going up but looking down I could see the leg still lying limp on the bed. At the time I freaked thinking I'd be paralysed for life but my body slowly woke up over the course of 3 hours. Started with my toes and fingers and by the end of it, though still stiff in places I was back to my running, jumping, bouncing self ^^
I doubt it was 'enlightenment' though that did occur to me at the time and I'd love to experience it again. It was just a crack though... a tiny glimpse of something that scared me. Kinda cool but it makes me wonder how eccentric I really am sometimes <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<b>edit:</b> oop, that last paragraph was about the meditation thingy, not being paralysed all morning =s
Yea, I'm pretty sure I have some type of depressive disorder. The weird thing: I have mood swings, where I'm incredibly depressed for a while, but then out of no where, I'm completely happy with everything.
I guess the best alternative to medication is to focus on things that make you happy. Even little things. For example, one day I was sulking around about something, then I decided to play with my cat. The cat was so great, I completely forgot about the things that were on my mind.
<!--QuoteBegin--Ryo-Ohki+Dec 31 2003, 06:22 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ryo-Ohki @ Dec 31 2003, 06:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> One word of advice: don't try an anti-depressant called "Aropax" unless you have problems in bed. One side-effect of it which I disliked but my fiancee liked was that it made having an orgasm very difficult. On the plus side though you can last for hours and hours.... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Gah...Paxil did that to me. I stopped taking Paxil for a few reasons. That, and I don't want to rely on a pill all my life. What I really need are pills that keep from sleeping for 13 hours and being tired constantly. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
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Never been depressed from illness though. I'm glad I don't have to take any medication etc. and my best counselors have always been a friend <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->.
but meh! sorry you're going through all this, I really hope you get better. I always thought you were one of the more loose and happy go lucky guys on the forum too :\. GL w/ the depression.
Your doctor might be good but they're still only human... if you seriously know or think that you were depressed before you got diagnosed then fine but with what you actually say I'd still be inclined to get a second opinion =/
normally i'm loose & happy go lucky <i>all</i> the time. but now i'm like.. happy go crappy. lol
edit: but yeah, nem. i'll check it out.
Your doctor might be good but they're still only human... if you seriously know or think that you were depressed before you got diagnosed then fine but with what you actually say I'd still be inclined to get a second opinion =/ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
D-E-N-I-A-L
Oh well, I doubt you would get depressed because a doctor think you are, and why would he be at the doctor in the first place?
Sometimes merely belief in something is enough to make it real =/
Genomosity, hypocondria doesnt make things real, you just think it's real even though is just a puff in your brain, it's ALOT better than actually being depressed <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo-->
Sometimes merely belief in something is enough to make it real =/ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
i don't know what all this denial business is about. i have no opinion or judgment about any disorder i may have. if a doctor tells me "take this drug" i'll do so. as for it being a placebo.. i'm not so sure. i had tremors and almost vomited in my lap. i'm not experiencing bliss, come to think of it.
Heck, if I wanted to I could make myself physically sick just by thinking about it hard enough (great for getting out of school when I was little ^^; ). Sure you can't grow a tail or anything like that but if you put yourself in the right mindset you can cause all kinds of afflictions or effects to your body. I used to be into meditation and stuff and you could learn neat tricks like regulating body temperature and stuff (tibetan monks have a ceremony they perform where they go and sleep out on the freezing slopes of the mountain for a night in nothing but their shawls; some of the research into it had scientists freaking out =3 ).
It's like talking about maggots and worms while someone's trying to eat spaghetti, do it well enough and you'll have them physically retching <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
when i was in elementary school, if someone wanted to go home badly enough they'd just shove their hand down their throat.
i've never tried meditative regurgitation.
Yoga/Zen techniques are more focussed and kinda use your imagination to powerful effect too, just in a different way ^^
Then I had this weird experience (weirder than the usual that is) and it kinda frightened me off it for a while and I've never got back to it ever since despite meaning to several times ^^;
Never felt like that before or since... I dunno... it was long ago and I've got a good imagination but it's something I can't compare anything to, self-deluded or otherwise =/
Yeah, I have felt that weird before, especially after a bad dream, I think it's a sorta state of shock
Reading it again it sounds nutty but it's just really hard to describe it all... especially that feeling of everything making sense.
I used to dabble with all kinds of funny stuff when I was younger like reading up on the occult and looking into studies into psychic phenomenon. The two main things that left an impression were out of body experiences and oujia boards. I'd been strictly forbidden from oujia by my mum because of something that happened to her involving one; she's always been a bit sparse on the details but it involves a dead friend and it's left her incredibly fearful of oujia boards ever since =o
One of the main problems with it all is that you can't really ever be sure if your mind's just playing tricks on you or if stuff is working... I could've sworn I almost saw auras after trying for a couple of weeks but it could've easily been wishful thinking. Same for my Out of Body attempts though the one I remember where I sorta 'suceeded' was odd... When I mucked up I felt like I'd actually dropped from the height I'd been viewing from and my body bucked as if it'd done it too. Wishful thinking or did it work? I dunno but I like to keep an open mind and at least it makes for interesting memories <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
honestly that's the only thing i can relate to buddhism or.. something similar.
surrounded by darkness, and then.. light shining through? but only for a moment..
You got some guts Gem, when I was younger I had an out of body dream. Yeah you feel like getting sucked back into your body and alittle bit of the "falling" feel. I was scared shitless from sleeping for weeks <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
My favourite experience wasn't occult or anything at all... heck, it just happened I wasn't looking for it or anything.
When you go to sleep your brain sorta 'severs' your motor nerves to prevent you acting on your dreams (basically sleepwalking). In cases where this doesn't work you get people doing odd stuff in their sleep, but in my case and it's unfortunately only ever happened to me the one time... my brain didn't bother kicking the nerves back awake.
I woke up and I couldn't move an inch. If I lifted my leg I could feel the leg going up but looking down I could see the leg still lying limp on the bed. At the time I freaked thinking I'd be paralysed for life but my body slowly woke up over the course of 3 hours. Started with my toes and fingers and by the end of it, though still stiff in places I was back to my running, jumping, bouncing self ^^
I doubt it was 'enlightenment' though that did occur to me at the time and I'd love to experience it again. It was just a crack though... a tiny glimpse of something that scared me. Kinda cool but it makes me wonder how eccentric I really am sometimes <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<b>edit:</b> oop, that last paragraph was about the meditation thingy, not being paralysed all morning =s
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i need some excitement >_>
I guess the best alternative to medication is to focus on things that make you happy. Even little things. For example, one day I was sulking around about something, then I decided to play with my cat. The cat was so great, I completely forgot about the things that were on my mind.
Gah...Paxil did that to me. I stopped taking Paxil for a few reasons. That, and I don't want to rely on a pill all my life. What I really need are pills that keep from sleeping for 13 hours and being tired constantly. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->