Ns Modelling Over.

MoquiaoMoquiao Join Date: 2003-05-09 Member: 16168Members
<div class="IPBDescription">its just not happening.</div> ok guys due to plenty of threads...

namely : <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=19&t=57973&st=0' target='_blank'>this.</a>

im just not visiting this area of the forums.. now while some of you wont give a stuff... i been here a while now... made plenty of useful posts.. hell a few flames too... but yeah... i browse the ns custom ones daily.. i dont post in them much... cos i feel.. wip's w/e they are the creators creation.. and nothing to do with us... he is being kind enough to share it with us...and i dont feel the need to say 'make this bigger' or w/e i know it is C&C but personaly (sp) i dont do that....

but recently... going thru threads and seeing this ****... its freaking ridiculous... so yeah... this is hopefully just a small kick up the **** for all these new(ish) and some older members who need a damn good asskickin.

so yeah, please DONT flame in this thread... pretty redundant to ask that bearing in mind my topic. but yeah.. i cant be the only one sick to the death with this ? i came in may.. and signed up for this one single forum... and in the last month or less.. it has spiralled into a CS forum. ( no offence to CS'rs just generally they are stupid kiddies.)
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  • esunaesuna Rock Bottom Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15175Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Moquiao+Jan 2 2004, 01:58 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Moquiao @ Jan 2 2004, 01:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ok guys due to plenty of threads...

    namely : <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=19&t=57973&st=0' target='_blank'>this.</a>

    im just not visiting this area of the forums.. now while some of you wont give a stuff... i been here a while now... made plenty of useful posts.. hell a few flames too... but yeah... i browse the ns custom ones daily.. i dont post in them much... cos i feel.. wip's w/e they are the creators creation.. and nothing to do with us... he is being kind enough to share it with us...and i dont feel the need to say 'make this bigger' or w/e i know it is C&C but personaly (sp) i dont do that....

    but recently... going thru threads and seeing this ****... its freaking ridiculous... so yeah... this is hopefully just a small kick up the **** for all these new(ish) and some older members who need a damn good asskickin.

    so yeah, please DONT flame in this thread... pretty redundant to ask that bearing in mind my topic. but yeah.. i cant be the only one sick to the death with this ? i came in may.. and signed up for this one single forum... and in the last month or less.. it has spiralled into a CS forum. ( no offence to CS'rs just generally they are stupid kiddies.) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Although you'll never read this since you won't come back to this forum, <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->, i'd have to say i agree.

    The attitude in this forum is disgusting, to say the very least. You don't get <b>any</b> of these immature flame wars or immature morons with nothing better to do in the mapping or artwork forums. That thread you referenced literally made me feel so disappointed in this community. I thought the whole NS.org forums community was relatively mature and well-mannered, and if they weren't, they're banned. Which is why i say good riddance to Owen. I don't care what he has contributed to the community, his attitude was entirely disgraceful.

    I'm not sure why, exactly, this forum seems to be a mecca for morons, some of the coolest and most impressive work in the forums stems from this forum (Sheena's work especially), but i feel that tagged along with that comes a certain arrogance and moronic attitude (Not sheena, i might add <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->).

    It's got to stop really. No other forum behaves as badly as this one at all, it's bringing down the entire forums with it. Some people need to disconnect themselves from the internet until they at <b>least</b> pass puberty.
  • MausMaus Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5599Members
    edited January 2004
    It's the #1 reason I stopped making models for NS. I still make a few things for myself here and there, but the idiots on this forum don't deserve to be given models. Besides, now I've moved on to making coolie high-poly "proper" 3d stuff instead. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Every few months coil would make a little "be nice to each other, yo" thread. And for a little while people became a little more polite. Needless to say it all collapsed into flaming and pointlessness a few weeks later. Maybe that's why he stopped bothering.
  • VerthandiVerthandi Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10687Members, NS1 Playtester
    <!--QuoteBegin--esuna+Jan 2 2004, 10:31 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (esuna @ Jan 2 2004, 10:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ...You don't get <b>any</b> of these immature flame wars or immature morons with nothing better to do in the mapping or artwork forums...

    ...I'm not sure why, exactly, this forum seems to be a mecca for morons, some of the coolest and most impressive work in the forums stems from this forum (Sheena's work especially), but i feel that tagged along with that comes a certain arrogance and moronic attitude (Not sheena, i might add <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->).

    It's got to stop really. No other forum behaves as badly as this one at all, it's bringing down the entire forums with it. Some people need to disconnect themselves from the internet until they at <b>least</b> pass puberty. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'm sure you've noticed, recently, there's been a significant influx of people (or kiddies, as a matter of fact) visiting the Customization Forum. They don't really visit the Mapping or the Artwork Forum, <b>because they can't get anything from whining in there</b>.

    As a result, the majority of the newbies end up taking their business (in our case, 'moronic' whining) in the Customization Forum. The more 'experienced' people get annoyed, especially after the newbies repeatedly revive threads, make exceedingly simple requests, and generally act like idiots.

    I'm not putting all the blame on the newbies, but I have to say that they cause more problems than people like Owen...
  • MausMaus Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5599Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Verthandi+Jan 2 2004, 03:52 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Verthandi @ Jan 2 2004, 03:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm not putting all the blame on the newbies, but I have to say that they cause more problems than people like Owen... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well, not wanting to step too far into flaming here but I think it's the "role" of veteran posters, who have been around long enough to have some idea of what is acceptable behaviour, to Jaegar-like try to defuse potential flame wars before they get out of hand, or at the very least not add fuel to the flames.

    Newbies maybe don't know better - those of us who've been around for a while ought to.
  • Wolf_KahlerWolf_Kahler Join Date: 2002-11-29 Member: 10252Members
    This is what I've been saying since before I left.

    It's a good thing Nemisis shut that thread down. I was seconds away from posting something I probably would have regretted at some point. Maybe not entirely, but to some extent.

    Moquiao, I'm sorry it got bad enough to send you away. I hope some day you'll come back and it'll be better than when I came back.

    Take care of yourself. Best of luck with whatever it is you do now.
  • coilcoil Amateur pirate. Professional monkey. All pance. Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 424Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    The forum is as polite as you all make it. Next time you feel like flaming someone, think very carefully about what you're about to post. If you're still sure you want to post it, then go ahead and do so -- by pressing the little X button at the top right corner of your browser window.
  • ShazbotShazbot Join Date: 2003-03-05 Member: 14328Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Maus+Jan 1 2004, 09:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Maus @ Jan 1 2004, 09:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's the #1 reason I stopped making models for NS. I still make a few things for myself here and there, but the idiots on this forum don't deserve to be given models. Besides, now I've moved on to making coolie high-poly "proper" 3d stuff instead. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Every few months coil would make a little "be nice to each other, yo" thread. And for a little while people became a little more polite. Needless to say it all collapsed into flaming and pointlessness a few weeks later. Maybe that's why he stopped bothering. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'm sad that the vocal minority has stopped you from making models for NS, as I love your resource tower.
  • JaegerJaeger Join Date: 2002-11-28 Member: 10202Members
    edited January 2004
    Thanks Maus for the kind word. But I can't help but feel that we're all at fault here. After all, it's the community that makes games truly great, and it's our responsibilty as a community to set that mess right. Remember how nice a place the forums were back in 1.04? Yeah, you know what I'm sayin. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    But seriously, I was looking around in the mapping forum the other day and came across a request for some map models for a custom map in the works. When someone asked why the mapper didn't ask for models here, his reply was something to the effect of "the Customization folks seem meaner than the people in here." That really embarrassed me, and it should embarrass the rest of you as well, because when one person gets his panties in a wad, people aren't going to go to that one person and say "What a jerk." They're going to look at everyone and label them all immature.

    I know it's a part of the position and all, but a moderator shouldn't have to educate the forum-goers how to be polite. Please, think before you post.

    I hope you'll come back some time, Moquiao, even if it's not as soon as NS3.0. I'd hate to see you go on a sad note, and I'll be looking forward to your return to the forums.
  • Power-LinePower-Line Join Date: 2002-11-04 Member: 6920Members
    i began to hang out in the dod forums, i liked the atmosphere, then came the newbs...then i came here, it was great....then came the newbs......
  • dragonninjadragonninja Join Date: 2003-11-19 Member: 23166Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Power-Line+Jan 2 2004, 03:02 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Power-Line @ Jan 2 2004, 03:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i began to hang out in the dod forums, i liked the atmosphere, then came the newbs...then i came here, it was great....then came the newbs...... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah, once you were a newb too. I'm sure people didn't leave forums when you came. Nice attitude. Your loss anyway.
  • DillinjaDillinja Join Date: 2003-09-04 Member: 20563Members
    yeah i faced the problem of flame wars too and im really sad hwo things are going wrong in this forum. some people tend to use it as theire personal little battle/spam field and at this time forget that some people just want to show of theyere models/questions without beeing flames to death. This is no flaming but for some people i seriously just have to say this (and i mean it in a friendly way) get yourself a life.
  • CoolCookieCooksCoolCookieCooks Pretty Girl Join Date: 2003-05-18 Member: 16446Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation
    ok, owen got really stressed because, even after being polite to darkflame, he still nagged on about how to do it, and how owen had already told him, thne he kept saying, oh ill get someone else to do it. i got annoyed at this, he didnt even try to bother to do it himself. Then, owen was already stressed and let out his anger at darkflame with his first few posts, other people flame him too. Then nem comes along and lets everyone off apart from owen, who gets perm banned.
  • ShazbotShazbot Join Date: 2003-03-05 Member: 14328Members
    Well, suposidly owen was drunk, but he is still responsible for what he does online...

    Anyways, guys please don't make this a drama show...
  • CoolCookieCooksCoolCookieCooks Pretty Girl Join Date: 2003-05-18 Member: 16446Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation
    he wasnt drunk, but stressed. i was talking to him at the time about this. and his first offence that nem refers to was because someone hacked his pc and started saying stuff to everyone on ns boards and msn <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • DillinjaDillinja Join Date: 2003-09-04 Member: 20563Members
    edited January 2004
    lol no offense but that sounds like one of the silliest excusses i have heard for a long time
  • MoquiaoMoquiao Join Date: 2003-05-09 Member: 16168Members
    ok well i guess i lied cos im back here now to check on my thread...


    and yeah.. im not leaving the ns community.. you all know i couldnt do that <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    i just mean im not gonna be hanging in the ns custom bit anymore... cos it aint worth the hassle...

    props to all the great modellers, skinners, animators and everybody else.

    jaeger,brigwolf,maus,drake,sheena,del those are only a few of the ones i can think of...

    so yeah take care, esuna add me to msn if u got it beyatch, miss talking to you man <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • MilitaryPoliceMilitaryPolice Join Date: 2003-10-12 Member: 21623Members
    Almost every post owen made, he seemed rashy <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • CoolCookieCooksCoolCookieCooks Pretty Girl Join Date: 2003-05-18 Member: 16446Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation
    will u guys stop saying stuff behind owens back, not all his posts were bad, look on other topics apart from ones that are started by darkflame. he can read all these messages still.
  • sportysporty Join Date: 2003-06-29 Member: 17782Members
    its a very difficult situation
    when i read the thread 404 started, i though "lock the thread, he admitted he doesnt want any help"
    plus such threads/way of acting scare the experienced modellers away (correct me if im wrong)

    on the other hand we have what jaeger experienced: such "harsh" acting can scare decent people away

    maybe one suggstions: ignore peeps like 404, dont flame them <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • CoolCookieCooksCoolCookieCooks Pretty Girl Join Date: 2003-05-18 Member: 16446Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation
    afterall, its the noobs thats ruining the community, not the actual regulars
  • JezpuhJezpuh Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15157Banned
    Hmm, cookie, you might be telling everyone that owen was sick of the crap and all. But you acted like a noob too, if I had the right I would temp ban you just to let you cool down. I mean, come on. The guy asked nice.
    I know you tried to explain it, but by the way you and owen explained it, I wouldn't understand it either if I were a newbie. Take some more patience.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Wow, way to act like a total bunch of morons everyone. Well done. I really commend your open minds and accepting attitudes.

    Flaming anyone is NOT accepted on these forums, treat people with the same damned respect that you would like to be treated. Shame on you guys, really.

    Anyway, the program mentioned before, for modelling, is Milkshape3D, and you can download a free trial here. As for the weapons sprites, do a google search for the programs SprView (To view sprites) and SprWiz (To make sprites), sorry i don't have the URL's handy, they're probably in the modelling FAQ anyway.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
  • CoolCookieCooksCoolCookieCooks Pretty Girl Join Date: 2003-05-18 Member: 16446Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation
    yeah, i know i overreacted too much, but we just told him again and again, and he sed, omg ill go get someone else to go do it
  • JezpuhJezpuh Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15157Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin--coolcookiecooks+Jan 2 2004, 02:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coolcookiecooks @ Jan 2 2004, 02:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> afterall, its the noobs thats ruining the community, not the actual regulars <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Actually it are the regulars. I've found myself changing too lately, I started to flame more. Now, I'm trying to push this back.
    The forum may be flooded with newbies, but that doesn't give the right to us regs to just flame them. I mean, how can they know someone's mind is already so fuxed by all those newbie requests?

    Owen said the other day to fury_161 he had nothing to say here because his postcount was like 2.
    Come on, you know better. Postcount doesn't mean ****, it doesn't mather how often you post.
    Everyone should be threaded the same.

    You, cookie, should act more nice too, no mather how many newbies you see or no mather how often they ask the same question. And if you don't like what they say, just <b><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>plain ignore it</span></b>.
    All your doing is upping your postcount by keep reacting that way.
  • esunaesuna Rock Bottom Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15175Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--coolcookiecooks+Jan 2 2004, 01:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coolcookiecooks @ Jan 2 2004, 01:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> yeah, i know i overreacted too much, but we just told him again and again, and he sed, omg ill go get someone else to go do it <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If at first you don't succeed, give up, seriously.
  • JezpuhJezpuh Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15157Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin--coolcookiecooks+Jan 2 2004, 02:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coolcookiecooks @ Jan 2 2004, 02:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> yeah, i know i overreacted too much, but we just told him again and again, and he sed, omg ill go get someone else to go do it <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well I would do the exact same thing!
    You know why? If I don't get normal and mature answers, I'd do the same.
    I know owen was mature in the begin and tried to explain it, but the guy didn't understand.
    All you he had to do was explain him into furter details and he would had more respect.
  • CoolCookieCooksCoolCookieCooks Pretty Girl Join Date: 2003-05-18 Member: 16446Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation
    i am actually trying my best to not flame noobs, its difficult when they say offensive or stupid answers back though. ill just ignore them in the future.
  • JezpuhJezpuh Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15157Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin--coolcookiecooks+Jan 2 2004, 02:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coolcookiecooks @ Jan 2 2004, 02:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i am actually trying my best to not flame noobs, its difficult when they say offensive or stupid answers back though. ill just ignore them in the future. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That's what I've been trying to explain. Glad it worked <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    As a moderation notice, 'They had it coming' does not qualify as an excuse for a flame. If you jump up and down on a members feeling - no matter what his or her postcount says - you <i>will</i> be punished, and I could honestly not care less about the specific situation.
  • CoolCookieCooksCoolCookieCooks Pretty Girl Join Date: 2003-05-18 Member: 16446Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation
    ok no probs, ill try not to outburst so much in the future.
  • Wolf_KahlerWolf_Kahler Join Date: 2002-11-29 Member: 10252Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Jan 2 2004, 08:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jan 2 2004, 08:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As a moderation notice, 'They had it coming' does not qualify as an excuse for a flame. If you jump up and down on a members feeling - no matter what his or her postcount says - you <i>will</i> be punished, and I could honestly not care less about the specific situation. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    And there you go.
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