Release Date

criticaIcriticaI Join Date: 2003-04-07 Member: 15269Banned, Constellation
edited December 2003 in NS General Discussion
<div class="IPBDescription">quit scaring off the newbies!</div> Newbies will be newbies. Don't attack them like a ferocious pack of wolves. Quit using cliche phrases like "when it's done."

Just pass the thread over or make a simple post stating that nobody knows about the release date yet.

<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>I'm sure the release will be quiet prominently announced @ www.natural-selection.org</span>

Newbies are cute and cuddly if you don't mercilessly slaughter them! <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->

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  • TestamentTestament Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4037Members
    "When its done" conjures up images of Duke Nukem Forever. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    I couldn't agree more with critical (now <i>there's</i> something we're both surprised at, eh, crit? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->). Note that there we already tempsuspended people for getting too harsh in such threads, and we're not planning on changing that policy.
  • MrMojoMrMojo Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9882Members, Constellation
    There's a difference between being a newbie, and having common sense. Common sense tells you that coming on to the NS board and posting a topic asking for a release date is almost offering people to come and flame you. "When it's done" is actually the best answer you can say, since it's true and you don't know the date.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    You can rationalize as much and long as you want, there is no excuse for flaming. <b>None.</b>
    If you feel differently, I can give you seven days to type the explanation up.
  • MrMojoMrMojo Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9882Members, Constellation
    How is saying "When it's done." flaming?
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    I was referring to "Common sense tells you that coming on to the NS board and posting a topic asking for a release date is almost offering people to come and flame you.".
  • MaxMax Technical Director, Unknown Worlds Entertainment Join Date: 2002-03-15 Member: 318Super Administrators, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, Constellation, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts, Future Perfect Developer
    edited December 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--cri.tical+Dec 21 2003, 12:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (cri.tical @ Dec 21 2003, 12:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Newbies will be newbies.  Don't attack them like a ferocious pack of wolves.  Quit using cliche phrases like "when it's done."

    Just pass the thread over or make a simple post stating that nobody knows about the release date yet.

    <span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>I'm guessing March 1st for release.</span>

    Newbies are cute and cuddly if you don't mercilessly slaughter them!  <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Internet forums work like the game "telephone" where statements get repeated and modified by many different people until they've taken on totally different meanings. I've seen this happen quite a few times on this forum with issues like hitboxes, anti-scripting and the bile bomb.

    I think that statements like "I'm guessing March 1st for release" will get transformed into "NS is coming out on March 1st". Coming from a Veteran and specifying a specific day, I think people will misunderstand and believe that it's some sort of official statement. Instead, you should just point them to the www.natural-selection.org main page which is where the most accurate release information will always be available.

    Max
  • RedfordRedford Monorailcatfjord Join Date: 2002-04-28 Member: 528Members, NS1 Playtester
    Critical, I hate to tell you, but the official release date, as set by the devteam, IS "when it's done".

    If you have a better idea then telling them the truth, please enlighten me.
  • criticaIcriticaI Join Date: 2003-04-07 Member: 15269Banned, Constellation
    edited December 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--Max+Dec 21 2003, 01:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Max @ Dec 21 2003, 01:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Internet forums work like the game "telephone" where statements get repeated and modified by many different people until they've taken on totally different meanings.  I've seen this happen quite a few times on this forum with issues like hitboxes, anti-scripting and the bile bomb.

    I think that statements like "I'm guessing March 1st for release" will get transformed into "NS is coming out on March 1st".  Coming from a Veteran and specifying a specific day, I think people will misunderstand and believe that it's some sort of official statement.  Instead, you should just point them to the www.natural-selection.org main page which is where the most accurate release information will always be available.

    Max <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You have a good point Max. I don't want anybody to think I'm anywhere near official. I'm about as far as possible away from it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
    Edited my post to reflect that.
  • Nil_IQNil_IQ Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15520Members
    Can you really blame people for wanting to know the release date? Right, right, "when it's done", but how soon is that likely to be? It's looking pretty unlikely that NS will be out before christmas as Flayra (I think Flayra said it, correct me if im wrong) hinted, so can we have a new estimate? Are we talking early January or late March?

    On a side note, I think that NS combat should be put to one side for now. Let the dev team balance 3.0, release it, THEN bring out combat when it's ready. But that's just me.
  • DaxxDaxx Join Date: 2002-04-16 Member: 460Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin--Nil_IQ+Dec 21 2003, 02:10 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nil_IQ @ Dec 21 2003, 02:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Can you really blame people for wanting to know the release date? Right, right, "when it's done", but how soon is that likely to be? It's looking pretty unlikely that NS will be out before christmas as Flayra (I think Flayra said it, correct me if im wrong) hinted, so can we have a new estimate? Are we talking early January or late March?

    On a side note, I think that NS combat should be put to one side for now. Let the dev team balance 3.0, release it, THEN bring out combat when it's ready. But that's just me. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Actualy, all things considered Combat is more ready for release than Classic right now <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Due to a number of rather annoying bugs pt'ing of Classic has been hindered. (massive lag, resource allocation)
  • KRaggKRagg Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8832Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Max+Dec 21 2003, 07:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Max @ Dec 21 2003, 07:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> "NS is coming out on March 1st". <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    March 1st? That's such a long wait. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->


    (Sorry, couldn't resist.) <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • SoberanaSoberana Join Date: 2003-06-25 Member: 17695Members
    Its going to be a long time till NS 3.0 comes out.
  • TestamentTestament Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4037Members
    If you were in #NS earlier you'd see why some people lash out at newbies. This guy kept asking when 3.0 would come out wouldn't go to ns.org...of course me and MrMojo -did- lead him on and say it was out/coming out today...<!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • RIP_BobRIP_Bob Join Date: 2003-12-06 Member: 24027Members
    /me drops the mangled carcase of the newbie he was flamming
    awwww <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • S2R2S2R2 Join Date: 2003-09-25 Member: 21209Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Soberana+Dec 21 2003, 04:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Soberana @ Dec 21 2003, 04:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Its going to be a long time till NS 3.0 comes out. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    No

    From the Homepage
    "NS v3.0 will be available this holiday season. Check this page for updates..."
  • PowerslavEPowerslavE Join Date: 2003-10-25 Member: 21962Members
    Can you guys make a forum-wide announcement saying something along the lines of "3.0 is current being playtested but has numerous bugs yadayadayada, it'll be out when we're fully confident we have the greatest version of NS to date!"? Maybe also make it bright, hot pink so as not to be unnnoticed. Oh, and glitter. I like glitter.

    SR2R, sarcasm? Die.
  • WarriorWarrior Join Date: 2003-02-16 Member: 13624Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--S2R2+Dec 21 2003, 11:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (S2R2 @ Dec 21 2003, 11:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--Soberana+Dec 21 2003, 04:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Soberana @ Dec 21 2003, 04:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Its going to be a long time till NS 3.0 comes out. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    No

    From the Homepage
    "NS v3.0 will be available this holiday season. Check this page for updates..."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Things dont always come out on planned dates. If it doesnt make the planned release date, it wont be the end of the world. Just wait, and look at the screen shots ect.
  • S2R2S2R2 Join Date: 2003-09-25 Member: 21209Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Warrior+Dec 22 2003, 12:28 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Warrior @ Dec 22 2003, 12:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--S2R2+Dec 21 2003, 11:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (S2R2 @ Dec 21 2003, 11:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--Soberana+Dec 21 2003, 04:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Soberana @ Dec 21 2003, 04:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Its going to be a long time till NS 3.0 comes out. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    No

    From the Homepage
    "NS v3.0 will be available this holiday season. Check this page for updates..."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Things dont always come out on planned dates. If it doesnt make the planned release date, it wont be the end of the world. Just wait, and look at the screen shots ect. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    As i see it, It will be out by june beacuse that when this holiday season end.
  • A_Damn_FoolA_Damn_Fool Join Date: 2003-08-09 Member: 19283Members
    Aye its a massive conspiracy of the constellation members and the clanners to horde it to themselves... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> But really if you don't make your due dates even one thats general like Holiday season it looks really bad for you guys. Heck even if it was bug infested people would probably still like it Iunno I sure wouldn't mind trying combat dear god I wouldn't mind trying combat.
  • DelphiDelphi Join Date: 2003-04-02 Member: 15134Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--A Damn Fool+Dec 22 2003, 01:04 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (A Damn Fool @ Dec 22 2003, 01:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Aye its a massive conspiracy of the constellation members and the clanners to horde it to themselves... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> But really if you don't make your due dates even one thats general like Holiday season it looks really bad for you guys. Heck even if it was bug infested people would probably still like it Iunno I sure wouldn't mind trying combat dear god I wouldn't mind trying combat. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The way it is RIGHT THIS SECOND?

    Yes you would.

    Trust me. You'd HATE combat as much as we do right now in about 20 minutes.
  • hawthornehawthorne Join Date: 2003-10-05 Member: 21460Members
    I think its the general biting sarcastic tone of "when its done", let alone the messages after that.

    My interpretation, anyhow, is that it probably doesn't hurt to say

    "NS doesn't have a concretely scheduled release date, but when the new version does come out, it will be on natural-selection.org"

    And more often than not, someone's already said it before. And any further "when its done" posts are usually for the purpose of pointing out how well the author understands this fact and how the newbie doesn't understand it.

    A little bit of common courtesy doesn't really hurt.
  • Ugly_JimUgly_Jim Join Date: 2002-11-29 Member: 10235Members
    edited December 2003
    steam will allow for much easier distribution of patches, so maybe we can have small patches more often instead of 100 mb semi-annual new version patches <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • WinterWinter Join Date: 2003-08-21 Member: 20042Members
    It upsets me that they do not update the Main Page but once a month or so.

    It's been already 2 and a half weeks since the last update. You would think they could at least post an update saying something to the effect of "NS:C Is nearing completion and work on NS is going very well" or even something gayer than that. Just SOMETHING to appease us for the time being.
  • Seph_KimaraSeph_Kimara Join Date: 2003-08-10 Member: 19359Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--hawthorne+Dec 22 2003, 07:15 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (hawthorne @ Dec 22 2003, 07:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think its the general biting sarcastic tone of "when its done", let alone the messages after that.

    My interpretation, anyhow, is that it probably doesn't hurt to say

    "NS doesn't have a concretely scheduled release date, but when the new version does come out, it will be on natural-selection.org"

    And more often than not, someone's already said it before. And any further "when its done" posts are usually for the purpose of pointing out how well the author understands this fact and how the newbie doesn't understand it.

    A little bit of common courtesy doesn't really hurt. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You'd be suprised by how rare "common" courtesy really is...
  • project_demonproject_demon Join Date: 2003-07-12 Member: 18103Members
    this should be in off topic lol
  • g0opyg0opy Join Date: 2003-11-02 Member: 22233Members, Constellation
    I think it feels better to say "It will be released when it will be released" <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Roger_DodgerRoger_Dodger Join Date: 2003-03-11 Member: 14392Members
    Whats the definition of a "flame"??

    - RD
  • MajinMajin Join Date: 2003-05-29 Member: 16829Members, Constellation
    I love to start the rumors of when it will come out. I say things like
    "I heard from Max that flayra is going to release it on X date"
    Than the turn around and tell someone else...
    "I heard from Flayra that Max said it would be ready to go on Y date"

    Than I spead the rumor that..
    "purple bannana coffee car-pool"

    LOL

    <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
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