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<!--QuoteBegin--Lt. Hendrickson+Nov 22 2003, 09:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lt. Hendrickson @ Nov 22 2003, 09:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->a knife kills skulks faster than bite kills rines. Its uber powerful which is why i always suggest the nerf the rate of slashing.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That is false. The Skulk bite kills marines in .5 seconds (1 second with level 1 armor, 1.5 seconds with level 3 armor), and the knife kills Skulks in 1 second (1.66 seconds with level 3 carapace).
Usually, you shoot a few bullets into a skulk, usually unloading a clip then switch to knife. Of course, level 1 armour + knife makes it so that you can actually knife a skulk solo.
Does anyone know the range of skulk bite vs. knife range?
i always thought bitegun had a bit more range? should etst it out, try knifing an rt then spray directly downwards, rebuild the rt as a rine then try biting it and spray directly down :>?
<!--QuoteBegin--hyperionjjliu+Nov 19 2003, 10:17 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (hyperionjjliu @ Nov 19 2003, 10:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ha ... ha ... ha ... ... NOT!!!
ok there is NO possible way for anyone to kill a full health ANY alien form with a knife unless the following things happen
1) you have an aimbot and/or a speedhack 2) your opponent is 1-2 knife slashes away from death 3) your opponent is a TOTAL n00b to NS and perhaps even to first person shooter games 4) your opponent is AFK 5) there is something wrong with your opponent's vision and/or computer and therefore would impede his/her aim. 6) or your are ****ing lying!
and btw, don't even get started on kniving a fade or a onos to death by urself. that's simply not possible ... unless they are AFK, they are TOTAL n00bs, or you are using an ultra haxoring speedhack.
Silly people with silly dumb knife stories
(oh yeah ... like one time ... i like knived like five onos like in one game man! that was total uber "elite" skillzor!) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Sometimes things happen man...
I knifed a guy from the clan Im trying this weekend, from full health, and he is good. I aslo managed to knife a fade with carapace after first giving him one clip of ammo, but he was surely a noob and I wa very lucky.
And to mention it, it happened ONCE.
Knifing skulks from full health requires 3 swipes I think, and its not impossible but very close...crouchjumping and strafing helps a bit...
Knifing.....well not at full health, although I did have a fun match once when I actually did slice a skulk 4 times without him biting me at all (I knife alot btw, rarely succesfull)
4 skulks come running at me.....:I spray my LMG to take the first 2, hurting the 3rd too, 4 shots from pistol in the 3rd = dead, my last 6 pistolshots are only 2/3rd hits, and when the last skulk comes to me, he jumps at me and is JUST in the same altitude as my knife.....move to the side a little bit and 1 slice.....dead
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Man those evil | guys are keeraaaaaazy! I knifed 2 onos to death. One was the first day of 2.0 on Hera and I specificly said to my friend *Aye wouldnt it be tite if I knifed this onos to death* and I knifed him. The other onos was just getting cut down by LMG fire and me running outta ammo just went up and knifed it. Skulks are easy to kill with knife. If they run str8 at you, crouch jump over them and knife down. Then they turn around, if their dumb enough the keep running at you and you keep jumping over them, simple.
<!--QuoteBegin--Predmid+Nov 23 2003, 05:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Predmid @ Nov 23 2003, 05:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> skulks bite range is smaller than the knife radius, so all you really have to do is properly circle-strafe the skulk, and before it realizes whats going on, its dead...at most takes 3-4 slashes to kill it with lvl1-2 weapons, depending on how late in the game it is.... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> eh up, u saying that weapons upgrade also affects the knife??
so how much damamge does it deal then on lvl3?? coz is 30 dmg to start with (x3 more than a single lmg bulet)
i think i might only use knife from now on!! well i'l get more kills. so my new total will be about 3 frags. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
easy, i get a couple knife kills a game if i want, i crouch down with my lmg in hand, skulk runs at me, put just enough bullets into him so hes not dead (20 or so, not sure though), then quick switch to the knife, take one swipe, kinfed the skulk, other creatures - when they run, there almost dead, so knife them if your outa ammo, i personally have killed 5 onos's in the last month or so.
<!--QuoteBegin--Sarisel+Dec 16 2003, 01:09 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sarisel @ Dec 16 2003, 01:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> the knife is not affected by weapon upgrades, nor are turrets, mines, or welders <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> well thats wot i thought, but the way he said it.. oh well <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
mind u, it might help if the welder was, wots that 4dmg per sec?? lmao
Lol, I was thinking about posting a "Way of the Welder" post but I shot that down since I never got a welder kill myself in 2.0.
I have seen someone get a welder kill before... and once, I turtled up at double in ns_hera... and the marine commander gave all 10 marines welders, then he sent them all with medpack blessings... funny watching your ocs, dcs, and finally yourself get welded to death <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> .
Anyone got any knifing tips? After you wound a skulk, you usually only need 1-2 knife slices to kill him, but sometimes it is really hard to get within bite-gun range. I usually circle strafe a little, jumping occasionaly to get a good hit in.
I like to crouch jump over skulks and knif at my feat to slice up there backs, i think of myself as a matador with little buls.
I almost managed to knife an ono on on one (Jumped on his back and was riding and knifin, no ammo) but a lerk came by and saved him.
Also once the rine team i was on was royaly kickin **** (we had the aliens caged up in cargo), and we decided to mess around and knife rush em, we almost got to the hive room too, killed more of them than they killed us. a couple of em quit after that and we got shoties and finsihed the game, but a hord of knifers is suprisingly efective.
<!--QuoteBegin--vP-|Pikey+Dec 21 2003, 12:14 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (vP-|Pikey @ Dec 21 2003, 12:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Very good point ^^^ always go knifin with a buddy... you'd both live longer. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That applies to whatever weapon you use. Although yes, I tend to knife rambo.
Btw, a small addition to the whole welder vs knife thing - knife does a lot more damage per certain timeframe, so don't weld enemy structures, knife them instead.
<!--QuoteBegin--Frosty+Dec 20 2003, 11:19 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Frosty @ Dec 20 2003, 11:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> (we had the aliens caged up in cargo) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Hmm, let's see, what map would that be? We'll assume it's a hive you're talking about, so that makes it either Lost or Veil, right? Ever noticed that every single map has a Cargo on it? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> (except bast I suppose) <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I was at a LAN party last night er this morning... not sure. but I knifed down an onos, a skulk and a died to a gorge <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Whoa... you can ride an onos? How did you pull that off? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He was at the botom of an elevator i was at top, and jumped on him. its like jumping on a teamates head, exept it was the enemy. If he moves you got to move with him (the elvator wasnt big enouph for him to move much so i could have stayed there for a wile, but the lerk killed me sorta quick, so only got bout 4-5 seconds of knifin
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> the knife is not affected by weapon upgrades, nor are turrets, mines, or welders <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It was my understanding that turrets are efected by weapon upgrades, though thats just nitpicking cus the knife is what htis topic is about
I prefer toe welding torch to the knife, i got two welder, kills just today but a nade just went off so they were almost dead. As for knifing, it's not that hard to take out a single skulk in a solid hallway, as long as he doesnt parasite you and leap you. What most people do is they strafe right when they want to bite a marine. So you strafe left, and you cut them off, suprising them, so you get an extra .4 seconds... enough for a slice, strafe left, slice slice slice, he bites you, jump and crouch, slice slice, and he should be dead before you hit the ground. That or take an HMG and a HA and just gun him to pieces before he rounds the corner with motion tracking.
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<!--QuoteBegin--Sarisel+Dec 16 2003, 01:09 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sarisel @ Dec 16 2003, 01:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->the knife is not affected by weapon upgrades, nor are turrets, mines, or welders<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually, welders are affected by weapon upgrades. I have tested this. A level 0 welder deals approximately 70 damage per second, whereas a level 3 welder deals over 90 damage per second, just barely outdamaging the knife (which deals 90 damage per second).
Knifing can be done well, I once knifed 3 skulks on the OSSHQ server without any being wounded. I often pull my knife before i reload against anything other than a gorge.(I just can't knife gorges...)
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That is false. The Skulk bite kills marines in .5 seconds (1 second with level 1 armor, 1.5 seconds with level 3 armor), and the knife kills Skulks in 1 second (1.66 seconds with level 3 carapace).
Does anyone know the range of skulk bite vs. knife range?
should etst it out, try knifing an rt then spray directly downwards, rebuild the rt as a rine then try biting it and spray directly down :>?
the third the pistol
THEN the forth the knife
And dont give me this his teamates still got bullets cause everyone rambos
ok there is NO possible way for anyone to kill a full health ANY alien form with a knife unless the following things happen
1) you have an aimbot and/or a speedhack
2) your opponent is 1-2 knife slashes away from death
3) your opponent is a TOTAL n00b to NS and perhaps even to first person shooter games
4) your opponent is AFK
5) there is something wrong with your opponent's vision and/or computer and therefore would impede his/her aim.
6) or your are ****ing lying!
and btw, don't even get started on kniving a fade or a onos to death by urself. that's simply not possible ... unless they are AFK, they are TOTAL n00bs, or you are using an ultra haxoring speedhack.
Silly people with silly dumb knife stories
(oh yeah ... like one time ... i like knived like five onos like in one game man! that was total uber "elite" skillzor!) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sometimes things happen man...
I knifed a guy from the clan Im trying this weekend, from full health, and he is good. I aslo managed to knife a fade with carapace after first giving him one clip of ammo, but he was surely a noob and I wa very lucky.
And to mention it, it happened ONCE.
Knifing skulks from full health requires 3 swipes I think, and its not impossible but very close...crouchjumping and strafing helps a bit...
4 skulks come running at me.....:I spray my LMG to take the first 2, hurting the 3rd too, 4 shots from pistol in the 3rd = dead, my last 6 pistolshots are only 2/3rd hits, and when the last skulk comes to me, he jumps at me and is JUST in the same altitude as my knife.....move to the side a little bit and 1 slice.....dead
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
eh up, u saying that weapons upgrade also affects the knife??
so how much damamge does it deal then on lvl3?? coz is 30 dmg to start with (x3 more than a single lmg bulet)
i think i might only use knife from now on!! well i'l get more kills. so my new total will be about 3 frags. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
well thats wot i thought, but the way he said it.. oh well <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
mind u, it might help if the welder was, wots that 4dmg per sec?? lmao
I have seen someone get a welder kill before... and once, I turtled up at double in ns_hera... and the marine commander gave all 10 marines welders, then he sent them all with medpack blessings... funny watching your ocs, dcs, and finally yourself get welded to death <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> .
Anyone got any knifing tips? After you wound a skulk, you usually only need 1-2 knife slices to kill him, but sometimes it is really hard to get within bite-gun range. I usually circle strafe a little, jumping occasionaly to get a good hit in.
I almost managed to knife an ono on on one (Jumped on his back and was riding and knifin, no ammo) but a lerk came by and saved him.
Also once the rine team i was on was royaly kickin **** (we had the aliens caged up in cargo), and we decided to mess around and knife rush em, we almost got to the hive room too, killed more of them than they killed us. a couple of em quit after that and we got shoties and finsihed the game, but a hord of knifers is suprisingly efective.
That applies to whatever weapon you use. Although yes, I tend to knife rambo.
Hmm, let's see, what map would that be? We'll assume it's a hive you're talking about, so that makes it either Lost or Veil, right? Ever noticed that every single map has a Cargo on it? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> (except bast I suppose) <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
He was at the botom of an elevator i was at top, and jumped on him. its like jumping on a teamates head, exept it was the enemy. If he moves you got to move with him (the elvator wasnt big enouph for him to move much so i could have stayed there for a wile, but the lerk killed me sorta quick, so only got bout 4-5 seconds of knifin
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> the knife is not affected by weapon upgrades, nor are turrets, mines, or welders <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It was my understanding that turrets are efected by weapon upgrades, though thats just nitpicking cus the knife is what htis topic is about
Actually, welders are affected by weapon upgrades. I have tested this. A level 0 welder deals approximately 70 damage per second, whereas a level 3 welder deals over 90 damage per second, just barely outdamaging the knife (which deals 90 damage per second).
Its so much fun.