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Marik_Steele
To rule in hell... Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9466Members
To rule in hell... Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9466Members
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<div class="IPBDescription">he's shooting when I can't see him, h4x!</div> True, it may just have the power of a pistol instead of a fullsized rifle, but considering the benefit of being able to <a href='http://dsc.discovery.com/news/afp/20031215/cornershot.html' target='_blank'>shoot around corners</a> with reasonable accuracy, it's doesn't seem like a half bad idea -- especially considering that the last system claiming to do something similar was the expensive Land Warrior system. Can any gun ethusiasts let us know whether this thing is a revolution in warfare or a money making gimmick?
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I really hope it works as well as they say it does.
it's like the mp38/40s and stg44s with curved barrels, but the curving wore out the barrel.. the new camera system works way better than barrel curvature.
edit: forgot to answer your question, marik.
the system is exactly what it should be, and serves its purpose perfectly. nevertheless, hand-eye coordination is better <i>and</i> faster when your vision is direct, as opposed to relayed.
there's no chance that a full entry team will be equipped with this weapon, unless it's revamped for compatibility with machine pistols and larger submachineguns, and compatibility with straight reflex aiming as well.
the landwarrior system, though bulky and inefficient in ways, would be a better weapon for corner-firing because it still allows straight aiming and reflex aiming.
i'll explain these concepts. straight aiming would be aiming forward, like normal, through basic optic or open sights. say, centering the pin in the hole of your m16 sights, or tracing the dot on the target in an illuminated-reticle sight.
aiming by reflex would be shooting straight forward, without using the sights. obviously for quick shooting. if a target appears suddenly or needs immediate takedown, you don't necessarily need to line your pin up with the hole, or to sight the subject precisely in order to hit him, especially with a weapon like a combat shotgun.
basically, in a few years when we have high-resolution cameras in the eyes of pins, the gun-cam aspect of the landwarrior system will be greatly superior as it can be affixed to a larger variety of weapons.
now, the <a href='http://www.hkpro.com/oicw.htm' target='_blank'>OICW</a>
then again, collateral damage ...
Double-ewe Tee Eff, mayt? metres != yards.
I come from the Marine Corps rifle expert old school also, where spraying a bunch of bullets around a corner was looked upon as retarded and wasteful. I see it in movies all the time and wince. This seems like more wienieness...
Well what this basically is is just a gun stuck on a pole with an extended trigger and a cam to see on the side. There's been better. I mean even French prototypes I saw 3 years ago on the news were better than this. Ok, I agree more expensive than a rod with an attach for a gun, but it seems much more reliable, precise, powerful and safe as well.
Black Mage: if you bothered to read the first paragraph, that's basically what it is <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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the point i was trying to stress, though, is... basically hand-eye coordination is fukkt by this weapon.
if i have a landwarrior guncam on my m16, i can still shoot the thing without the camera.
but if you have this pistol-mount corner shooting camera, you can only aim USING the camera.. or if you REALLY need to aim by reflex for precision AND speed, you'll have to hold the thing at a weird angle! you know why they have the stock, foregrip and rear pistol grip for it?
so you can FOCUS THE CAMERA ON THE TARGET! it's simpler and more efficient to aim directly.. you can achieve higher first-shot accuracy if you use a conventional weapon.
the only argument you can make is that you might get shot. to this, i would say that the corner-shot gun's ONLY function is as a specialized secondary or tertiary weapon.
edit: yes, mr.E. if you use this gun you're a weenie.
I just watched again the movie Predator this other day, and I remember the first encounter with the Predator. God what a waste of ammo, all the HEAVILY TRAINED commandos just empty their clips in the forest, grenade launcher, minigun, assault rifle... They even RELOAD to shoot some more <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> The most funny thing is, only one guy "saw" the predator and start shooting. The rest are just following him for nothing <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
The way you said it just made me remember of this.
nifty...
Well what this basically is is just a gun stuck on a pole with an extended trigger and a cam to see on the side. There's been better. I mean even French prototypes I saw 3 years ago on the news were better than this. Ok, I agree more expensive than a rod with an attach for a gun, but it seems much more reliable, precise, powerful and safe as well.
Black Mage: if you bothered to read the first paragraph, that's basically what it is <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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i did read the first paragraph
and collateral damage is refering to the oicw, and the fact that you can 'shoot' around corners by telling the thing to fire a he/frag round and have it burst when it passes the corner, the only problem is friendlies
I would have to agree
flashbangs just make more sense and are less apt to as Monsieur put it "run out of batteries" [screw up when screwing up isn't an option]
if they dont blow themselves up, they probably wont be able to input the 10 digit safety code that allows you to insert the key that lets you flip open the cover that lets you pull back the "arming" (because the c- variant of the word is filtered) lever which loads a bullet into the chamber while de-shelling it through an intricate setup of pneumatic pistons ... and then pops the cover on the safety, which allows you to acces the pannel so you can put your finger in the trigger guard.
but by then the weapon is being safely clutched by a corpse
***HEADSHOT***
"Ha-HAAAH"
Hrm. So MonsE says that not wanting to be shot makes you a "wienie".
I do agree that flimsy, unreliable gadgets aren't a good idea for a machine that you never want to fail but I'm betting that armed forces laughed their heads off when someone first suggested that they use "horseless carriages" in battle. Who needs one of these new-fangled "car" things? We've got horses!
But then someone invented the ruggedised version of the car and called it a “Jeep”. And now they’re used worldwide. I foresee a similar thing happening with this new camera-onna-gun technology.
--Scythe--