Question Regarding The Big Release.
7Bistromath
Join Date: 2003-12-04 Member: 23928Members, Constellation
Join Date: 2003-12-04 Member: 23928Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">Will v2.0 be verboten?</div> I'm not posting this because I have some dumb idea that 3.0 is bad. I like many of the impending changes, and despite the fact that there are a few I don't like, I think it's generally going to be pretty cool. I'm quite looking forward to Focus, f'rex.
But I'm kinda hoping that there will still be a somewhat strong presence of 2.01 out there, and that's basically what I'm making this for, to ask if there will be. Look at 3.0. The very reason they gave it a full version number, instead of a .whatever, is that it's changed so much, it's going to be a different game in some ways. Despite the crap slung about 2.01 around here, I actually quite like the balance, and I'd like to be able to play things as they are now sometimes. Not saying 2.01 is perfect or anything, just that it's different enough from the new stuff, and I'm familiar enough with it, that I don't want to lose it. I think it'd be nice if maybe they included it as an option with the Steam release or something. Do you want to play Natural Selection, (as in 3.0) or NSClassic? (as in 2.01, or maybe even 1.x, for particularly nostalgic types) I think that would be a good thing. We've already got the new Combat gametype going in, so why not do that?
If all else fails though, I 'spose we could just continue play 2.01 the way we are now. I like this version, and if it turns out I like it better than 3.0, having to disconnect between each match to avoid getting Steamed won't be too horrible a price to pay. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
But I'm kinda hoping that there will still be a somewhat strong presence of 2.01 out there, and that's basically what I'm making this for, to ask if there will be. Look at 3.0. The very reason they gave it a full version number, instead of a .whatever, is that it's changed so much, it's going to be a different game in some ways. Despite the crap slung about 2.01 around here, I actually quite like the balance, and I'd like to be able to play things as they are now sometimes. Not saying 2.01 is perfect or anything, just that it's different enough from the new stuff, and I'm familiar enough with it, that I don't want to lose it. I think it'd be nice if maybe they included it as an option with the Steam release or something. Do you want to play Natural Selection, (as in 3.0) or NSClassic? (as in 2.01, or maybe even 1.x, for particularly nostalgic types) I think that would be a good thing. We've already got the new Combat gametype going in, so why not do that?
If all else fails though, I 'spose we could just continue play 2.01 the way we are now. I like this version, and if it turns out I like it better than 3.0, having to disconnect between each match to avoid getting Steamed won't be too horrible a price to pay. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
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Course, you can always play it on LAN, im for one save keeping my 2.0 installer no matter what, gee i even have dod b1.2 <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Course, you can always play it on LAN, im for one save keeping my 2.0 installer no matter what, gee i even have dod b1.2 <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't see how that has much to do with it. When they started work on 3.0, back when it was still 2.1, I believe they intended for it to be a WON-based release. I see no reason they couldn't do that for the old version, other than "we don't feel like it." Mind, I'm not saying that isn't a valid reason: they are working on 3.0 already, after all.
And yes, I realize there are problems in 2.01. I guess what I'm really asking for is an actual 2.1, with the bugs removed, but the new features left out. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> I know it can't happen, but a boy can dream.
Don't get me wrong there are legitimate reasons to dislike steam/microsoft. Just that most people don't even seem to have
tried steam and still hate it.
For this reason I think a quite large part of the community will prefer NS 2.01 until they absolutely have to go to steam(IE when WON goes down), this has been the case with CS, but CS 1.6 isn't as much better than CS 1.5 as NS 3.0 seems to be compared to NS 2.01.
Nope. 2.1 was always going to be steam only. It didn't make any sense to develop a new version for two different systems when one is going to be phased out.
56k users will feel some pain for the initial DL, but the patches and such arnt bad.
Steam isn't faultless in truth though, so far too many of those will come on forums and say OMG STEAM R TEH SUK YU NUBS SHOULD MAK YOUR OWN NETOWRK!!
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Also the fact that it <i>will</i> be rather bad, since so many nubs don't want to make the switch now, and will do it at the last moment, meaning overload. So they get a bad impression.
poo.
EDIT: @ post below, Archon...
Yes, steam works fine for me too, but- just like some people get 10 FPS with their radeon 9.8k and others 99 with their GeForce2- it doesn't work flawlessly for everyone. I'm sure you could ask some of the playtesters(on IRC preferably) and get some answers along the lines of "steam NS doesn't work :/"
poo.
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or maybe they wont come at all?
we'll witness the florida voters effect; if you're too mentally inept to figure out how to use the ballot, your vote seriously doesn't deserve to count. (or in this case, your presence in the HL community).
ooooo im so tempted to join constellation so i can play
ooooo im so tempted to join constellation so i can play
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Yeah, I think I'd rather just get a clan with 10 members together. I have no problem with giving Charlie C some well deserved cash, but when it comes to PayPal, hmm. Maybe I'll find my dusty old cheque book.
The thing that is going to suck, that I will really hate about 3.0 is going to be all the n00bs. I play 2.01 on steam, so there are about 10 servers at all times. When 3.0 comes out, it will be just like playing on WON, with all those people (and all these nubs that see ns coming up in their steam menu and are like "Whats that?")
you know what you are doing to me by telling me how great 3.0 is? *G*
i want it NOW, awwwwrgs
NO..more...waiting...must...play...
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well, about that noobs...
it can even be fun to tell ppl how ns works, it all depends on the n00b
You mean I won't be able to blink around the marine base until their HMG's run dry to let the onos in <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
seems as the answer would be... NO :/
cost 10 res more
blink isn't as good
much larger hitbox
....
what else has been done or do these not matter too much? At the moment fades are very much the "skill" class like lerks were in 1.04 which are ludicrusly unbalanced for experts, and not really that effective for average players. Are fades now useless for all but RT killing or are they still OK for killing marines?
Anyone who has played 3.0 would care to explain?
cost 10 res more
blink isn't as good
much larger hitbox
....
what else has been done or do these not matter too much? At the moment fades are very much the "skill" class like lerks were in 1.04 which are ludicrusly unbalanced for experts, and not really that effective for average players. Are fades now useless for all but RT killing or are they still OK for killing marines?
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the relevance of fades in 2.0 is the players ability to evolve to him quickly (only 50 res) and take advantage of speedy blink menuvering to make a difference early on in the game...
blink removed, and price increased, what good are they now? by the time you'll get to it likely the rines will have lvl 2/3 weapons, and you'll have a nerfed blink, leaving you as a sitting duck..
looks like they're nothing more than res node clearers, soon people will argue over who gets to put the hive up and who has to be the res node clearer
cost 10 res more
blink isn't as good
much larger hitbox
....
what else has been done or do these not matter too much? At the moment fades are very much the "skill" class like lerks were in 1.04 which are ludicrusly unbalanced for experts, and not really that effective for average players. Are fades now useless for all but RT killing or are they still OK for killing marines?
Anyone who has played 3.0 would care to explain? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
the relevance of fades in 2.0 is the players ability to evolve to him quickly (only 50 res) and take advantage of speedy blink menuvering to make a difference early on in the game...
blink removed, and price increased, what good are they now? by the time you'll get to it likely the rines will have lvl 2/3 weapons, and you'll have a nerfed blink, leaving you as a sitting duck..
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Don't count on it. Thats what the playtesting is all about. 3.0 will <b>NOT</b> ship with a crappy Fade, if its too weak it'll get boosted. If its too good, it'll be smacked in the face with teh nerf bat.
Give stuff to a chance, eh? =/
Why I hate Steam has nothing to do with popularity.
Here are few points why I hate it:
- It is slow (I am playing from Europe, Finland) and with 1 Mt/sec connection it takes ages to connect.
At least when compared to WonId.
- It updates itself now and then.
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<li>Sometimes Steam breaks itself when updating (happened once so far). So I had to re-install it.
<li>Steam servers are overloaded and FAR from my location -> slow updates. If I want to update my Steam (after install etc) I have to open computer at 8 am in the morning. Then updates take just 15 minutes (counter says 5 minutes). When it is evening counter counts hours.
<li>Steam does not give information to user. Like 100 meg update patch coming.
I hate this microsoft way ... just progress bar and timer that doesn't count REAL time.
</ul>
- Steam eats lots of CPU and Steam freezes whenever it does anything.
Yeah I have "just 900 Mhz AMD Thuderbird". I tought Half-Life was for lesser CPU powers too (400Mhz)?
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<li>starting steam
<li>connecting to net, can't close it except from killing it from Task manager
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But since Steam is going to be "the only way" I have to eat this crap and smile. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Uhmkey, if you with a 56k dial-up, not only it can be sucky for you. But for the people you are playing with. Half-Life is an old game so sure it should be playabled on the "older methods". But considering that the current new games that come out take alot more CPU power, and more bandwith is only going help you. Its better to upgrade your connection and computer.
It costs?
- Get a job.
Your too young to get a job?
- bull, if you can surf these forums you can surely get a job.
Its somewhat abandoning the older community?
- Its called evolving.
- Get a job.
Your too young to get a job?
- bull, if you can surf these forums you can surely get a job.
Its somewhat abandoning the older community?
- Its called evolving. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Most common is that their area simply doesn't provide any sort of speedy connection
Uhmkey, if you with a 56k dial-up, not only it can be sucky for you. But for the people you are playing with. Half-Life is an old game so sure it should be playabled on the "older methods". But considering that the current new games that come out take alot more CPU power, and more bandwith is only going help you. Its better to upgrade your connection and computer.
It costs?
- Get a job.
Your too young to get a job?
- bull, if you can surf these forums you can surely get a job.
Its somewhat abandoning the older community?
- Its called evolving. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't know about you guys, but in Hong Kong you cannot do work when you're underage (under 16)
So anyway, only a month too go whoopee.
As for on-topic....well, read what they said <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
- Get a job.
Your too young to get a job?
- bull, if you can surf these forums you can surely get a job.
Its somewhat abandoning the older community?
- Its called evolving. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
What if you can't get broadband in your area?