yea well some of you usa people should play on aussie servers, we lack team work but most of us are pretty skilled and there are a lot of games that there isn't a lot of team work
thats the one thing i noticed about usa servers is that most of the team work is done very well, but in aussie we have to ask/abuse, and a lot of res ****
<!--QuoteBegin--casino+++Nov 28 2003, 04:04 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (casino++ @ Nov 28 2003, 04:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I have NEVER played a USA clan that was game enough to play on an AUS/NZ server even if it was just 1 round.
I have played on many USA servers and beaten many USA clans, but I don’t judge the America NS community from the games that iv played.
also No offence to STF or XP but they are not the best clans in AUS. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> *Bows down to the all-mighty aussie clanner* <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
It seems to me that you are judging the average American clan by your first statement. I'm not gonna disagree with the fact that yes, there are a lot of newbie (READ: newbie, not n00b or whatever) clans here in the US. I'm not doubting there are plenty in the Aus area as well.
Try some of the more experianced US clans before saying they are all (even if it's just from what you've seen) too terrible to play on an AUS/NZ server.
And to all the other aus clanners reading this, I'm not "attacking the aus clanner" or anything. I'm replying to a post.
haha ggfwd are there! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
and we would still kick ur arses <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
*Myth sits back and enjoys watching Forlon vs Australia*
and we would still kick ur arses <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
*Myth sits back and enjoys watching Forlon vs Australia*
GWAN FORLON! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> ggfwd is basically torment version 2!
Notice how I didn't list .torment? All of torments best players are gone or are in ggfwd.
Also,
<a href='http://nsplayer.org.au/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=107&t=1023&st=0' target='_blank'>want some real Forlorn vs. Australia action?</a> This is a flamewar and a half, and I never threw a single flame! My personal best, if I do say so...
Whilst I dont think XP would beat any of the clans you listed 2-0 (we have 20 odd ppl with various activity and skill levels), i'd love to watch any of them play hybrid or r18.
<!--QuoteBegin--NGE+Nov 28 2003, 11:22 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NGE @ Nov 28 2003, 11:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--casino+++Nov 28 2003, 04:04 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (casino @ ++Nov 28 2003, 04:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I have NEVER played a USA clan that was game enough to play on an AUS/NZ server even if it was just 1 round.
I have played on many USA servers and beaten many USA clans, but I don’t judge the America NS community from the games that iv played.
also No offence to STF or XP but they are not the best clans in AUS. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> *Bows down to the all-mighty aussie clanner* <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
It seems to me that you are judging the average American clan by your first statement. I'm not gonna disagree with the fact that yes, there are a lot of newbie (READ: newbie, not n00b or whatever) clans here in the US. I'm not doubting there are plenty in the Aus area as well.
Try some of the more experianced US clans before saying they are all (even if it's just from what you've seen) too terrible to play on an AUS/NZ server.
And to all the other aus clanners reading this, I'm not "attacking the aus clanner" or anything. I'm replying to a post. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> im not an aussie <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> i have just played with/against the top clans from aus.
As for the clans I have played I only remember STD #cri submerge And a lot more not worth mentioning.
my clan has been inactive so i haven’t been up with all the clan happings.
and that grand final in my opinion didn’t show the best aus has to offer.
Think what u will about NS in aus/nz but don’t be to surprised when u play some of the real top aussie teams(imho)
put Hybrid as active again, im sure we would be a challenge for HAM again in no time. Tho we never got into a game with Ham while we where active few of your other top teams got droped 2-0 hands down.
Any ways, i don't disagree with the US and UK bagging the tactics used in the finals, it really was a joke.
How about you talk to othell and play the cal champion in i believe 3 weeks? That would be pretty fun.
edit: Attempts to put to rest this horrible flame thread <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> *at least it didnt start out like this*
Hybrid was in CAL pre seasson didn't lose, didn't play any one speacial tho. The seasson that started we fell into in-activeness and had to drop out <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
thanks for the person that picked up the, activeness / in-activeness mistake <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Forlorn+Nov 28 2003, 07:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Nov 28 2003, 07:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ggfwd is basically torment version 2!
Notice how I didn't list .torment? All of torments best players are gone or are in ggfwd.
Also,
<a href='http://nsplayer.org.au/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=107&t=1023&st=0' target='_blank'>want some real Forlorn vs. Australia action?</a> This is a flamewar and a half, and I never threw a single flame! My personal best, if I do say so... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> ggfwd starting 6: me (torment), Starfox (torment), Hickz (Tronic), Danster (Tronic), Gzeuz (tronic), Fufu (Division Wiking)
not torment2 <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
And me and starfox r teh nubs of torment <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
interesting reason to drop out <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
lol just read ur wrightup on the aussie forum forlon, top class tbh.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Next, speaking of **** poor tatics, I watched the demo's of the [XP] vs. stf , and I must say it was perhaps the best pub game I've ever watched. It's like these guys knew each other or something.
I'm sorry if I sound harsh, but the low level of tatics I saw used were astounding...
Lets see, I'll start with [XP], on round one. Marines: You guys got level 1 armor about 10 min into the game. Hell, it wasn't lv. 1 armor, it was your first upgrade. Not good. Instead of building 4 comm chairs on random places around the map and spreading your six men thin, why don't you get upgrades instead and work in pairs? Your aim was decent. Not bad, but against better skulks I'd say you'd fare for the worse. Your shotgun rush on their hive was really good, great way to take control of the fact that stf had no scouting on your forces whatsoever. You should always exploit stuff like that. You wasted your res very badly, and the comm did an average job on the medspam. You should have focused on more upgrades and teamwork. Rarely did you move out together in large groups. I don't know if rambo's are part of your strategy, but you shouldn't rely on them if they keep dying, or if you are going to send out rambo's with no upgrades. However, I'd have to say your node control was very good. stf had little communication. No skulk teamwork whatsoever. I saw a lot of skulks doing sucide charges. Not one person on your team could bunny hop it appeared. Very little parasiting. No skulk team work such as bait and switch tatics. Bad bad bad bad. One fade, who was good at fighting, but you could have been a lot more agressive. I saw the game go on a lot longer than it should have because of unagressive aliens even though the marines had no upgrades. I'd say continual skulk rushes could have killed [XP] 5 minutes into the game. They were constantly split up. You guys ramboed worse than the marines did. It was very bad. Most of your encounters looked like skulks running around the map looking for marines who then happened to chance by a marine, and then you promptly charged. The fighting tatics seemed to be minimal if anything. I also noticed that when you guys finnally killed their main base which had no defence for any of the entire game, you had 1 skulk and one fade. The fade killed the obs and the skulk got the IP. Then, the fade left after both were dead, the skulk started to chew the res node at the back over the proto lab, and the arms lab. First, the skulk should have killed the obs, as he kills buildings faster, and the fade should have been killing the IP, as the fade could easily spawn camp any marine. Next, killing higher marine tech, esp. the proto lab and arms lab are much better targets than a res node. You guys messed up on a lot of little things.
[XP], round two, aliens: Lots of skulk hero rambo's. You guys had a horrible score compared to stf, who probably had each member on their team with a 5 to 1 ratio. You guys really needed teamwork, more so than stf. None of you guys could bunny hop. Your gorges always died alone and afraid. It was very sad. Not a single fade either, a probably the worst example of res usage I've ever seen. Why get D chambers, if you aren't going to get fades. Incredibly incredibly poorly played alien round. No skulk teamwork, no bait and switch tatics, no ambushing, no fades... - absolutly terrible. Also, you guys could have won right at the begaining of the game by rushing their relocation spot. In fact, wo0tness nearly got the base, but instead of running back to the gorge that was slowly waddling his was up to the relocation spot (when he could have been there if he had bunny hopped), the skulk just stayed there and got shot once by the spawning marine. Very very poor performance. Stf, round two, marines: Not bad. Your relocation worked, but instead of just getting some much cheaper base d (MINES ANYONE... SHEESH) and getting a much vital part of the marine tech tree (you know, the armory... it's important) you went with 35 res on turrets. This slowed down your node growth and if [XP] wasn't bad at their alien game you would have lost. Sorry. Other than that, fairly good aim, better than the average pubber, and I the relocation spot you manged to take is good, but kinda negated by the fact that all you have to do is use the vent that goes right over it, and you never welded the vent. On top of that, your turrets didn't even protect the IP. Lots and lots of errors I would see costing you the game against a good clan.
Oh, and your double arms lab strat... Um... it wasn't a strat, all you did was beat the crap out of the alien team so much you had plenty of res to spare. On top of this, the double arms labs were to make up for the fact you didn't get any upgrades untill 6 minutes into the game.
Hopefully you guys continue to improve on your clan games, because if this is the cream of the crop, then you guys are sorely lacking.
Much <3, Forlorn <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Kinda funny after bashing both teams "constructively" he does the little heart. Laff. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
It's very easy to critisise something in reflection, i would like to see someone perform so calmly in heat of battle.
On the note, close this topic <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> it's going in circles
everlast will play u guys, not saying we will win, but its always good to have a international match. u may remb us as [PSi] before the name change. we did beat STD in cal preseason 2-0 in 300 ping. but yea we arent as good as we used to be <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> but we will 'step' up to the challenge to have a friendly match if u want. 1 map aussie server 1 map US ? whateva
#everlast on enterthegame is our main channel (do have a gamesnet channel #everlast, but noone really is in there at any given time)
Notice how I didn't list .torment? All of torments best players are gone or are in ggfwd.
Also,
<a href='http://nsplayer.org.au/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=107&t=1023&st=0' target='_blank'>want some real Forlorn vs. Australia action?</a> This is a flamewar and a half, and I never threw a single flame! My personal best, if I do say so... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> ggfwd starting 6: me (torment), Starfox (torment), Hickz (Tronic), Danster (Tronic), Gzeuz (tronic), Fufu (Division Wiking)
not torment2 <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
And me and starfox r teh nubs of torment <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> What about zaiko?!!!?
And I know I saw someone else....
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Kinda funny after bashing both teams "constructively" he does the little heart. Laff. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What are you talking about? Objective critism never hurt anyone.
I'd like to play some aussie teams, but the toughest part isn't the server ping... nonononoonononono...
It's the fact we are 12+ hours apart, dear lord almighty how can we overcome this...
I've seen some aussie players at 2 AM or 3 AM in the mourning before... that's about it.
I think their late night playing the game time is around my time of 8 AM - 2 PM, and those aren't exactly my most 'active' hours...
Was talking bout the starting 6, its just whoever is online at the time (usually like 3am as torment are sleeping so i need to find another way to sort my pcw cravings) <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
If any of these matches actually get arranged (instead of people saying that clan-from-Aus will beat clan-from-US and vice versa) make sure you get some HLTV.
As a side question: could someone give me a couple of IP addresses for good US servers? Im trying to expand my list.
im not saying we will beat anyone or win this, but we will play the games and hope we learn something from them, and have fun at the same time. lets not make this like a 'HAHAH U LOST TO US U SUCK' match. as games in the future for both communities wont be the same. everlast suck when a HLTV is put into a game, yes it sounds stupid, but we have stage fright <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> play good when ppl arent watching us and play **** when ppl are (i blame PSi v9 <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->).
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thats the one thing i noticed about usa servers is that most of the team work is done very well, but in aussie we have to ask/abuse, and a lot of res ****
I have played on many USA servers and beaten many USA clans, but I don’t judge the America NS community from the games that iv played.
also No offence to STF or XP but they are not the best clans in AUS. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
*Bows down to the all-mighty aussie clanner* <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
It seems to me that you are judging the average American clan by your first statement. I'm not gonna disagree with the fact that yes, there are a lot of newbie (READ: newbie, not n00b or whatever) clans here in the US. I'm not doubting there are plenty in the Aus area as well.
Try some of the more experianced US clans before saying they are all (even if it's just from what you've seen) too terrible to play on an AUS/NZ server.
And to all the other aus clanners reading this, I'm not "attacking the aus clanner" or anything. I'm replying to a post.
HAM
dn'
sub
oss
#cri
asx
BM
ggfwd
eR
{MA}
envy
venom
RaB
Some of these clans are euro, but most are American.
and we would still kick ur arses <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
*Myth sits back and enjoys watching Forlon vs Australia*
GWAN FORLON! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
and we would still kick ur arses <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
*Myth sits back and enjoys watching Forlon vs Australia*
GWAN FORLON! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
ggfwd is basically torment version 2!
Notice how I didn't list .torment? All of torments best players are gone or are in ggfwd.
Also,
<a href='http://nsplayer.org.au/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=107&t=1023&st=0' target='_blank'>want some real Forlorn vs. Australia action?</a> This is a flamewar and a half, and I never threw a single flame! My personal best, if I do say so...
MYTHH
MYTHH <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Who cares?
It's basically the old torment crew untill/if torment gets back together it seems, so untill I can refer to torment I'll call them ggfwd!
Just play eachother my god im sure something could be worked out for 2 maps if you tried real hard.
I have played on many USA servers and beaten many USA clans, but I don’t judge the America NS community from the games that iv played.
also No offence to STF or XP but they are not the best clans in AUS. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
*Bows down to the all-mighty aussie clanner* <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
It seems to me that you are judging the average American clan by your first statement. I'm not gonna disagree with the fact that yes, there are a lot of newbie (READ: newbie, not n00b or whatever) clans here in the US. I'm not doubting there are plenty in the Aus area as well.
Try some of the more experianced US clans before saying they are all (even if it's just from what you've seen) too terrible to play on an AUS/NZ server.
And to all the other aus clanners reading this, I'm not "attacking the aus clanner" or anything. I'm replying to a post. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
im not an aussie <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> i have just played with/against the top clans from aus.
As for the clans I have played I only remember
STD
#cri
submerge
And a lot more not worth mentioning.
my clan has been inactive so i haven’t been up with all the clan happings.
and that grand final in my opinion didn’t show the best aus has to offer.
Think what u will about NS in aus/nz but don’t be to surprised when u play some of the real top aussie teams(imho)
Any ways, i don't disagree with the US and UK bagging the tactics used in the finals, it really was a joke.
edit: Attempts to put to rest this horrible flame thread <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> *at least it didnt start out like this*
thanks for the person that picked up the, activeness / in-activeness mistake <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Notice how I didn't list .torment? All of torments best players are gone or are in ggfwd.
Also,
<a href='http://nsplayer.org.au/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=107&t=1023&st=0' target='_blank'>want some real Forlorn vs. Australia action?</a> This is a flamewar and a half, and I never threw a single flame! My personal best, if I do say so... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
ggfwd starting 6: me (torment), Starfox (torment), Hickz (Tronic), Danster (Tronic), Gzeuz (tronic), Fufu (Division Wiking)
not torment2 <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
And me and starfox r teh nubs of torment <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
interesting reason to drop out <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
(i do know what you meant)
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Next, speaking of **** poor tatics, I watched the demo's of the [XP] vs. stf , and I must say it was perhaps the best pub game I've ever watched. It's like these guys knew each other or something.
I'm sorry if I sound harsh, but the low level of tatics I saw used were astounding...
Lets see, I'll start with [XP], on round one. Marines: You guys got level 1 armor about 10 min into the game. Hell, it wasn't lv. 1 armor, it was your first upgrade. Not good. Instead of building 4 comm chairs on random places around the map and spreading your six men thin, why don't you get upgrades instead and work in pairs? Your aim was decent. Not bad, but against better skulks I'd say you'd fare for the worse.
Your shotgun rush on their hive was really good, great way to take control of the fact that stf had no scouting on your forces whatsoever. You should always exploit stuff like that. You wasted your res very badly, and the comm did an average job on the medspam. You should have focused on more upgrades and teamwork. Rarely did you move out together in large groups. I don't know if rambo's are part of your strategy, but you shouldn't rely on them if they keep dying, or if you are going to send out rambo's with no upgrades. However, I'd have to say your node
control was very good.
stf had little communication. No skulk teamwork whatsoever. I saw a lot of skulks doing sucide charges. Not one person on your team could bunny hop it appeared. Very little parasiting. No skulk team work such as bait and switch tatics. Bad bad bad bad. One fade, who was good at fighting, but you could have been a lot more agressive. I saw the game go on a lot longer than it should have because of unagressive aliens even though the marines had no upgrades. I'd say continual skulk rushes could have killed [XP] 5 minutes into the game. They were constantly split up. You guys ramboed worse than the marines did. It was very bad. Most of your encounters looked like skulks running around the map looking for marines who then happened to chance by a marine, and then you promptly charged. The fighting tatics seemed to be minimal if anything. I also noticed that when you guys finnally killed their main base which had no defence for any of the entire game, you had 1 skulk and one fade. The fade killed the obs and the skulk got the IP. Then, the fade left after both were dead, the skulk started to chew the res node at the back over the proto lab, and the arms lab. First, the skulk should have killed the obs, as he kills buildings faster, and the fade should have been killing the IP, as the fade could easily spawn camp any marine. Next, killing higher marine tech, esp. the proto lab and arms lab are much better targets than a res node. You guys messed up on a lot of little things.
[XP], round two, aliens:
Lots of skulk hero rambo's. You guys had a horrible score compared to stf, who probably had each member on their team with a 5 to 1 ratio. You guys really needed teamwork, more so than stf. None of you guys could bunny hop. Your gorges always died alone and afraid. It was very sad. Not a single fade either, a probably the worst example of res usage I've ever seen. Why get D chambers, if you aren't going to get fades. Incredibly incredibly poorly played alien round. No skulk teamwork, no bait and switch tatics, no ambushing, no fades... - absolutly terrible. Also, you guys could have won right at the begaining of the game by rushing their relocation spot. In fact, wo0tness nearly got the base, but instead of running back to the gorge that was slowly waddling his was up to the relocation spot (when he could have been there if he had bunny hopped), the skulk just stayed there and got shot once by the spawning marine. Very very poor performance.
Stf, round two, marines:
Not bad. Your relocation worked, but instead of just getting some much cheaper base d (MINES ANYONE... SHEESH) and getting a much vital part of the marine tech tree (you know, the armory... it's important) you went with 35 res on turrets. This slowed down your node growth and if [XP] wasn't bad at their alien game you would have lost. Sorry. Other than that, fairly good aim, better than the average pubber, and I the relocation spot you manged to take is good, but kinda negated by the fact that all you have to do is use the vent that goes right over it, and you never welded the vent. On top of that, your turrets didn't even protect the IP. Lots and lots of errors I would see costing you the game against a good clan.
Oh, and your double arms lab strat... Um... it wasn't a strat, all you did was beat the crap out of the alien team so much you had plenty of res to spare. On top of this, the double arms labs were to make up for the fact you didn't get any upgrades untill 6 minutes into the game.
Hopefully you guys continue to improve on your clan games, because if this is the cream of the crop, then you guys are sorely lacking.
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best review i've seen in a long time.
lock this thread.
Im still waiting btw. If the aussies want to say forlorns wrong then play us.
On the note, close this topic <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> it's going in circles
#everlast on enterthegame is our main channel (do have a gamesnet channel #everlast, but noone really is in there at any given time)
Notice how I didn't list .torment? All of torments best players are gone or are in ggfwd.
Also,
<a href='http://nsplayer.org.au/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=107&t=1023&st=0' target='_blank'>want some real Forlorn vs. Australia action?</a> This is a flamewar and a half, and I never threw a single flame! My personal best, if I do say so... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
ggfwd starting 6: me (torment), Starfox (torment), Hickz (Tronic), Danster (Tronic), Gzeuz (tronic), Fufu (Division Wiking)
not torment2 <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
And me and starfox r teh nubs of torment <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
What about zaiko?!!!?
And I know I saw someone else....
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Kinda funny after bashing both teams "constructively" he does the little heart. Laff. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What are you talking about? Objective critism never hurt anyone.
I'd like to play some aussie teams, but the toughest part isn't the server ping... nonononoonononono...
It's the fact we are 12+ hours apart, dear lord almighty how can we overcome this...
I've seen some aussie players at 2 AM or 3 AM in the mourning before... that's about it.
I think their late night playing the game time is around my time of 8 AM - 2 PM, and those aren't exactly my most 'active' hours...
As a side question: could someone give me a couple of IP addresses for good US servers? Im trying to expand my list.