Bh Scrip Or Not?
hrc
Join Date: 2003-11-12 Member: 22653Members
Join Date: 2003-11-12 Member: 22653Members
Hi we are having a nice little cup in Finland in which all kinds of cheating, scripting and exploiting is strictly forbidden (naturally). But there is a demo with supposed bunnyhop scrip and problem is that no one can say for sure is it a script or "skillzor". You can get demo here: <a href='http://www.cs.fi/fnsc/demo/' target='_blank'>http://www.cs.fi/fnsc/demo/</a> its called "t2kbunny" So, do you guys think this is a scrip or not? <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo-->
Thaks all who has time to watch it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Thaks all who has time to watch it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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Next version, in 2.1, the _special command will be disabled. So, after 2.1 comes out, go and see if he can still bhop really well... if he can't, then he's scripting.
Other than that, there is no conclusive way to tell. Just tell him that if he can't bunny hop good in 2.1 he will be banned perminatly from the Finland cup.
Offer to him that he can confess now with minimal consequence, but if he does not confess and he can't bunny hop in 2.1, then he should be kicked and banned from your league.
I hope this helps.
I don't want to get into a debate about whether we should or shouldn't allow bunnyhopping, but it's up to you to lay down the rules of the tournament, and missing out bunnyhopping is quite an error.
If you allow BH, just forget this guy. You have no way of telling if he's good or scripting, and even if he is scripting, there are 100s or 1000s of people who can BH better without using scripts anyway, so it's really not a big deal.
Oh and you should define "script" too, because technically every key you press is a script, unless you define scripting as having more than one command on one key press (in which case a script like "impulse xx; say_team Need Medpack comm!" is also a script...)
Roo
(gg reading the whole posts)
Exactly, unfortunally majority of people in Finland has this weird image of themselfs that they somehow <b><i><u>know</u></i></b> if someone is using scripts when they actually have no clue about the whole issue. And i for one am getting abit tired of hearing things like that.
owned
They are, theres nothing more fun than to totally own bunch of lesser skilled clans. Pfft..
hrc, you are so ... *****
Are you flamming about BH "script" on me because you don't know me (and because i'm french <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->) ?
PPffffff, .....
Do most leagues that allow bhoping allow binds that jump more than once per keypress(you don't even need an alias)
Bind Mwheeldown +jump
Only Bhop script I use. If I wanted I could easily write a bhop script, but it doesn't feel right after having used this for so long.
Is that a demo of T2k? (I don't have time to watch it, lazy) I remember him, good player, if it is him its probably not a script.
Bind Mwheeldown +jump
Only Bhop script I use. If I wanted I could easily write a bhop script, but it doesn't feel right after having used this for so long.
Is that a demo of T2k? (I don't have time to watch it, lazy) I remember him, good player, if it is him its probably not a script.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Aye, same guy.
Im so f***ing bored in this. Apparently we finns think "I cant bhop without a script, no one else can either"
And people, if you want to see more nice dexterity and coordination, watch dw.vs.gug2.dem and pay attention to part where two skulks bunnyhops one after another from loop to eclipse. Nice work.
Ps. T2K dont think I sent that post because youre a frenchman, that has nothing to do with it.
I can't bhop even as little as some of my fellow clanmates, but I can imagine someone may have a better bh skill without scripts... Maybe something is wrong with me? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
Bind Mwheeldown +jump
Only Bhop script I use. If I wanted I could easily write a bhop script, but it doesn't feel right after having used this for so long.
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I used to use that too, and it does allow you to spam jump very quickly in slopes so you don't need to time anything. A script that spams jump 2-3 times when you press space feels more natural to me(as I am so brainwashed into using mwheelup and down for slot 2 and slot3 since the begining.).
I still wonder if most leagues look down on such use(not that I play in leagues or even a clan or would wan't to, but it would be interesting to know.)
Just it's almost completely impossible to do it without the mousewheel. lol.
Ps. T2K dont think I sent that post because youre a frenchman, that has nothing to do with it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
yeah is was jumping behind him! and i don't use any scripts! So how can i bhop 100% behind him?
I know many BH skulks and t2k and me arn't such good with bh.
LUX or other us ppl bunny much better and get a speed which is crazy.
p.s.: i am a better bh skulk then t2k. (remember)
Baguette + beer is the win !!!!
PS Aioros : rofl, your bh sux, you had "follow.t2k.bh.cfg" <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Do most leagues that allow bhoping allow binds that jump more than once per keypress(you don't even need an alias) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Part of the skill of bhop is being able to time your jumps just right. When a script makes your jumping 100% perfect then that is an exploit. It takes a very very long time to be able to subconciously time your jumps perfect and the _special command can make this skill (and a few others) completely null. When 2.1 comes out I will be very interested in seeing if the amount of bhopping people will go down. The only accepted script is the +jump;wait;-jump 3 times.
Yeah, I don't use waits though. However, I think it's perfectly acceptable because it makes it just as difficult to bhop with a +3jumps script as a person does with his mousewheel. You can spam jump about just as fast as a mwheel user with the +3jumps script.
By abusing _special you can hop automatically by holding down a button, you then just need to strafe the same way you are turning and you are sort of bunnyhopping. Don't you think this is a big advantage over using no scripts at all(not even a script that spams jump a few times to counter-act half-life's stickyness to the floor)? Using _special to create infinite loops is as far as I understand not even intuitive scripting, more like bug abuse. The command is not really well covered in any guide to scripting and you cannot be expected to know about bugs, _special needs to go(and it will in 2.1).
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm having even more problems understanding what is wrong with bunnyhopping. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Bunnyhoping, as fun as it is and keeps you busy doing at least something all the time, is ridicoulous, it takes a force to change the direction of your motion, let alone pick up speed. In quake based games it does not, and this looks rediculous until you have played for so long that it starts to almost feel intuitive. It is also something that is hard to learn because you have no intuition to guide you, you cannot be expected to figure it out alone since it's such an arbitrary thing to do and the official manuals do not cover it. If it isn't covered in the manuals, gives you a big advantage, and most people don't know how to do it, how do you expect them to react?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> In Quake you bunnyhop all the time! Sure it's alot harder to do in Half-Life but why would it make you a cheater if you can master it ?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Worst I've seen someone labelled for bhopping is exploiter. If it was not intended or is unwanted and uses some bug then the developers could labelled it as exploiting, but since the NS dev team seems to have decided that aliens are freaky and alienesque enough to use this as5backwards way of movement it should not even be labelled that.
(You do know bhoping won't be in HL2 right? Valve's developer team doesn't seem to like it very much... better hope someone makes a bhop MOD for HL2 or you will feel like a fish out of water after all those years with bhop-enabled games <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> . )