Lerk Bite Vs Lerk Spike

Juggalotus · November 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">give comments on which is more useful</div> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'> with bite > <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'>
<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'> with spikes > <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/turret.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='turret.gif'>
<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'> with spikes < <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'>
<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'> with bite > <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'>

how do much of a factor will lerk bite play in scrims?
also how much of a factor will lerks without spike affect pubs?

SpecIce · November 2003

WHy have another creature that bites that cost 30 rez? I mean we have the FADE Skulk and Onos that all have Melee attacks. Why have another? + I think people are just learing how useful early lerks can be if people know what there doing + I thought lerks were support tools not attacking ones? Who knows

Ape · November 2003

Only time will tell. I trust the PTs and Vets to test it extensively.

BOBDolol · November 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([Spec]Ice @ Nov 11 2003, 01:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> WHy have another creature that bites that cost 30 rez? I mean we have the FADE Skulk and Onos that all have Melee attacks. Why have another? + I think people are just learing how useful early lerks can be if people know what there doing + I thought lerks were support tools not attacking ones? Who knows  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Because it can <i>FLY</i>

A_Damn_Fool · November 2003

I belive we trusted PT and Vets to test 2.0 extensivly and look at the peice of crap that still is. Its kinda a coin toss could be cool, could suck either way we have no choice

Fleischwaffel · November 2003

IMO,replacing spike with bite will make it way harder to kill JPers until 3rd hive is up(acid,web,),OC hardly hit at a skilled JPer and spit is so slow that even a marine on foot can easy avoid it.

FanorES · November 2003

In 1.04 I loved to go <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'> , and fly to the marines in grazing flight at great speed, then hit them with one bite, rollback and hit them again. Repeat it until the marine(s) is/are dead.

Yea, bite pwnz for the "elite" lerks.

Ahnteis · November 2003

The people who are good at the new flight model (which I hate btw) can be very deadly as lerks. However, it is a bit harder to play as, and of course it's melee only.

severijn · November 2003

To be honest, I'd rather have bite + spikes than those irritating spores.

Shockeh · November 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>WHy have another creature that bites that cost 30 rez? I mean we have the FADE Skulk and Onos that all have Melee attacks. Why have another? + I think people are just learing how useful early lerks can be if people know what there doing + I thought lerks were support tools not attacking ones? Who knows </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

I dunno, maybe the scores of 40-1 that players in 1.04 were scoring with the Lerk? I loved it, and I used it a lot, but it was a tad too nasty in the original format. If you put the time in, you should reap the benefits, but the benefits of becoming a 'good' Lerk were a little too high, because you were basically unstoppable to anything except multiple HA.

Dav · November 2003

Going Lerk was one of my favourite things to do in 1.04, I wonder what kind of damage we are looking at for it in 2.1. I would think that it would be a bit less powerful than the Skulk's bite, however now that this is the Lerk's primary way of killing marines (spores are only really handy to keep marines at bay and often was nice complement of the spikes) I would hope that it is not too underpowered, 1.04 levels would rock.

xl-cow · November 2003

Well, now that lerks can't fly through the ceiling eh?

I think a swoop would be as dangerous for a lerk as it is for a marine?

Dav · November 2003

Yeah, it'll be great now that the Lerk doesn't fly into the roof making it near impossible to shoot and also the fact that the air speed of the Lerk is now capped.

No more flying so fast passed the marines and biting, then hitting the wall and dying.

UNKNOWN16 · November 2003

should have :
Hive #1
spikes and spores

Hive #2
Bite

Hive #
Umbra

Spore will be needed to help stop a team of shottys, if that wan't the case spores and bite should be swaped.

fly through bite some one move long range and spike.

haPi · November 2003

=|

lerk is range attacker/support unit...

i wouldnt go around biting.. b/c the only way u die as lerk is being too close...

spore + being mad annoying kient > hero lerk + 2-3 marines

spore is best wepon.. spikes is ok.. still does damage, but then again.. electrified res points... lerk is better for spike...

i dunno man.. we'll see how it plays out.. eventually we get those elite fast lerk + instagibs and those n00bs like me who fly close combat.. die and dislike bite and jsut end up sporing

Soberana · November 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fleischwaffel @ Nov 11 2003, 03:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> IMO,replacing spike with bite will make it way harder to kill JPers until 3rd hive is up(acid,web,),OC hardly hit at a skilled JPer and spit is so slow that even a marine on foot can easy avoid it.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'> LIES.

LERK BITE > JETPACKER.

SentrySteve · November 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fëanor[ES] @ Nov 11 2003, 08:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> In 1.04 I loved to go <img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'> , and fly to the marines in grazing flight at great speed, then hit them with one bite, rollback and hit them again. Repeat it until the marine(s) is/are dead.

Yea, bite pwnz for the "elite" lerks.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Yeah, that's what the fade is for now. Remember in 1.04 when everyone complained about a HMG/JP rush? Despite the fact that JPs are no longer as good, I would not be suprised to see something similar return to public play with lerk bite instead of lerk spike.

Umbraed_Monkey · November 2003

As someone said in another thread, removing spike prevents aliens from making mines completely worthless near the beginning of the game(skulks need to suicide to take them out, gorges need to risk themselves to spit them, a spiking lerk will take out shitloads and fly away without taking damage)

Prometheus · November 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>IMO,replacing spike with bite will make it way harder to kill JPers until 3rd hive is up(acid,web,),OC hardly hit at a skilled JPer and spit is so slow that even a marine on foot can easy avoid it.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
How can you have an opinion on what you haven't tested? You have a theory, thats all. Or am I wrong?

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>WHy have another creature that bites that cost 30 rez?</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
As the fade is upped to 60 res, I think it would be nice to have som other early warrior (AND support) unit.

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>As someone said in another thread, removing spike prevents aliens from making mines completely worthless near the beginning of the game(skulks need to suicide to take them out, gorges need to risk themselves to spit them, a spiking lerk will take out shitloads and fly away without taking damage)</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
If spikes were to stay, Im sure they would make mines immune to it. I mean, mines has got to be immune to spores, so its really not that big an exception.

Lucid · November 2003

ok first of all lerk bite is much more efficient at taking out jetpackers than lerk spike is.

I think in order to keep the lerk well rounded it should keep all its weapons as in:

hive 0 - bite (slot1)
hive 1 - spike (slot2) <u>and</u> spores (slot3)
hive 2 - umbra (slot 4)
hive 3 - primal scream

This keeps everyone happy and makes the lerk extremely versitile. Yes, this combination of weapons at hive 1 makes it more deadly than in 1.04, but remember that the lerk has weaker hp/ap now so it may balance out. Yes, this gives it five weapon slots, more than any other alien. That shouldn't be a problem as I believe its still under the weapon limit.

Quaunaut · November 2003

Spikes are better. Give me spikes and 1 hive, and I can pwn every rine I see(-edit- except heavies), hands down. Spore & Spike(P) baby, yeah.

Umbraed_Monkey · November 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-Prometheus @ Nov 11 2003, 08:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> If spikes were to stay, Im sure they would make mines immune to it. I mean, mines has got to be immune to spores, so its really not that big an exception. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
No....spore is not a projectile. Besides, if I had spike as a lerk, I'll be pretty frustrated if a skulk can para a mine out and I cant with my spike.

edit: yea, in my last post, I forgot to consider that skulks can para mines out, but the point remains, its a pain to remove mines as skulk or gorge.

Forlorn · November 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lucid @ Nov 11 2003, 11:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ok first of all lerk bite is much more efficient at taking out jetpackers than lerk spike is.

I think in order to keep the lerk well rounded it should keep all its weapons as in:

hive 0 - bite (slot1)
hive 1 - spike (slot2) <u>and</u> spores (slot3)
hive 2 - umbra (slot 4)
hive 3 - primal scream

This keeps everyone happy and makes the lerk extremely versitile. Yes, this combination of weapons at hive 1 makes it more deadly than in 1.04, but remember that the lerk has weaker hp/ap now so it may balance out. Yes, this gives it five weapon slots, more than any other alien. That shouldn't be a problem as I believe its still under the weapon limit.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
A better suggestion was this:

hive 0 - bite (spikes while perched)
hive 1 - spores
hive 2 - umbra
hive 3 - primal scream

What is perching? You for as long as you hold down the +duck button, you stick to a wall or a ceiling, like a bat would cling on to something. Bite automatically changes to spikes in this case.

If you perch on the ground, bite changes to spikes, but perching on the ground allows you to move. Perching on the wall/ceiling makes it so you can't move.

Snidely · November 2003

The most interesting change as I see it is that it allows lerks to take down buildings. So it may play as another counter to a marine rt rush (support the skulks w/spores, able to halt advance and destroy rts while skulks and marines alike regroup).

Benaiah · November 2003

[QUOTE Forlorn Posted on Nov 12 2003, 02:20 AM ]
hive 0 - bite (spikes while perched)[/QUOTE]
i love the perching idea, but that aside.

i dunno, the whole point of a lerk is to spend its life in a vent.
the idea of bite will force lerks out of vents and into the open to attack,
this will leave them vulnerable an as they stand with so little health ... screwed...

if u bring back bite(only) they wont be worth 30res

SpecIce · November 2003

Fades Basically Fly now so they took up the Postion of Lerk with Bite

G-Fresh · November 2003

I think the best way to settle this lerk spike/spore situation is to combine these two attacks. ie hitting players would cause the spikes to act normally, but hitting map objects such as walls etc 5+ times in a row(roughly in the same location) would cause a spore explosion. Could be hard to program though.

FrickenMoron · November 2003

Everyone who says biting lerks are bad is plain newb.

lolfighter · November 2003

Wow. That'll shut the non-believers up <i>real</i> good. Oh wait... </sarc>

I personally like my spikes. As long as I get to keep my beloved, annoying spores though, I'm not one to complain. I'm just worried that the fixed hulks and flying Lerk will make it far too easy to take down, rendering bite useless. But then again, testing should catch that anyway.

Catpoker · November 2003

Meh, I am kinda split on the issue.

Lt_Hendrickson · November 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (severijn @ Nov 11 2003, 03:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> To be honest, I'd rather have bite + spikes than those irritating spores.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
word up dog

Lerk Bite Vs Lerk Spike

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