Name For The Resources?
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Join Date: 2003-07-17 Member: 18232Members, Constellation
Join Date: 2003-07-17 Member: 18232Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">what would you call them.</div> If you knew what the actual resources were in ns, that white smoke that comes out of the nodes, What would you call it.
It cant just be a white substance that alows aliens to evolve and marines to improve their technology.
Im guessing the devs tried to give the resources a name, but was too complicated?
It cant just be a white substance that alows aliens to evolve and marines to improve their technology.
Im guessing the devs tried to give the resources a name, but was too complicated?
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RTFM <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'><!--endemo-->
Re how do the aliens use the nano-sludge :
I believe, from the manual, the Alien RT converts the nano-sludge to bio-sludge which the aliens can utilize, the bio-sludge is delivered via the invading bacteruim in the enviroment (ship or base).
at a sub-atomic level we're pretty much made up of the same building blocks as anything else whether it's a chicken or a lump of steel =3
It cant just be a white substance that alows aliens to evolve and marines to improve their technology.
Im guessing the devs tried to give the resources a name, but was too complicated? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
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The nano-sludge is supposedly used as a backup material on ships and bases. Thus, it would be outright stupid to mix in bio-matter in there. As for the RT, it would have to be pretty advanced to convert non-biological matter to biological. And I do mean advanced, like a fusion reactor or so. And it would of course require a huge surplus of energy, something which I can guarantee the Kharaa will not be able to extract on a ship/base. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
He didn't say that there was any bio-stuff IN the sludge, he said that the alien resource chambers CONVERT the metal-ish sludge to bio-stuff.
Right, let's start over...
<u>1st Problem:</u> Kharaa cannot use the sludge for constructing organisms.
<u>Reason:</u> There is nothing in metal that you can convert to "bio-stuff". Nothing at all. The only way you can do that is if you split the metals into lighter elements, such as coal and nitrogen etc. And trust me on this, the metals in the nano-sludge would not be radioactive or otherwise easy to split. To start a reaction involving iron (which is most likely the most comment metal in the sludge), you'd need tons and tons of energy. As a sidenote, iron is also the substance where the curves energy for fission and energy for fusion intersect, meaning that you get almost nothing out of it whatever way you go.
<u>Conclusion:</u> The sludge cannot be used for building organisms.
<u>2nd Problem:</u> Kharaa cannot extract energy from the sludge.
<u>Reason:</u> Unless radioactive, it is *very* hard to exctract energy from it. I'm talking nearly impossible. There are bacteria capable of producing energy by oxiding metal, but the Kharaa are far too large for that. To be able to extract enough energy from it, you'd need tons of energy to start the reaction. And even if they could get their hands, er claws, on that much energy, the poor chamber that tried to initiate the reaction would be incinerated before it would know what that sharp pain was, along with pretty much everything else in that section of the base. Fission reactors are rather hot, you know. This also applies to the first problem, if those reasons I mentioned was not enough for you.
<u>Conclusion:</u> The sludge cannot be used for energy.
Therefore, the Kharaa wouldn't need the resources for anything in particular. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nice nick...kinda goes along with the topic you are posting....
Using real science to explain that a game can't do something is showing NoImagination....<!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
It is a game not real life, and besides that, how do we really know that time slows down at the speed of light, and that nano sludge can't be converted into bio matter...Last time I checked, there was really no way of proving or disprooving this happens since no one lives in the NS world....at least I don't think anyone is living in the NS world....if so I feel sorry for all the marine families I have left fatherless!
There is many things we do not understand, and many more that we still have to first find, there is nothing to say that a certain organism could create massive amounts of bacteria out of metal, we don't know this, and there is no way to prove or disprove that this can or can not happen.
Logically you say it isn't possible, and it logically isn't possible to travel faster than the speed of light due to mass increasing the faster you go...
My points is arguing over game science is interesting, but often there is no ground to stand on for either side of the debate.
You know how you, as a human, need to consume a certain % of Iron and other metals to survive? Yeah, same sort of deal. The nanites are made of metal and can be broken down as energy/atoms to be used/reformed into whatever the aliens require.
How else can a Gorge create OCs, DCs, MCs, or whatever needed?They use these resources to evolve into more powerful species by strengthening the internal organs and whatnot, or even building new parts(Onos, Fade) and the hive uses it to create a skulk (hopefully)
Since the alien RT is an ALIEN, we cannot explain how it works, even the manual made by the NS team says that it is unknown how the phenomenon occurs. So of course, there is NO clear conclusion as to how aliens get bio-sludge (or whatever it is called)
But what I do believe is that the alien RT does convert it into a usable form, and as the manual states, it isn't known HOW it is done.
Here is an excerpt from the manual :
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->These chambers appear to have once been a species, much like the hive. What these resource chambers could have been used for before the Kharaa encountered us is a perplexing mystery. But they convert the sludge into a usable form, just as our resource towers do. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Who knows? Perhaps the Kharaa also work in a nanomolecular state, and are thus able to accomplish what the Marine nanomachines can do. There is no proof as if so far, and surely the nanosludge isn't a metal, or they would be denser than air.
Even if they were metals or so, the nanobacterium would be able to modify the molecular structure of the sludge.
And if it isn't possible, the nanobacterium can also draw carbon atoms, oxygen atoms, nitrogen, etc. into the mixture to make it into the so-called bio-sludge.Who actually know what the aliens are made of, because surely they cannot live in space with an energy source of some sort and we know that space neither has water nor heat. And this would be my theory on how it works.
Also taking into the fact that the nano-sludge is also a form of a nanomachine, they can work most likely like an atom. The only thing it can do more than an atom is to modify its molecular structure to match that of a certain element.
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Now with that out of the way, I hope this can be resolved, after all how can you explain a skulk not being torn apart by its sheer speed when it leaps, or how the Onos manages to maintain its course while charging at ridiculous speeds. We do not live in NS, but we can imagine it, can't we?
As for what it's called....nano-sludge for sure. It's official too.
But it surprises me how marines can have phase technology then....ack lets not step in there, another piece of OT material. I'd really not step in there because my head is hurting right now, and I have a bad history of seizures.
And I still call it nano-sludge, who knows what it is comprised of anyway (and that question is not worth answering <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> )
LOL pixie Kharaa.....gives me an idea, go for an mreq and ask for a gorge in a tutu with fairy wings LOL. Maybe turn knives into wands and stuff....OT material again <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Read: A Mineral Rich Slop
Meaning although it IS rich in minerals, it also contains other stuff that...
Read: Can serve as the base material for any desired object
The key words here are any desired object. That means food, a blanket, or a semi-automatic shotgun.
All the kharaa need to do is suck the sludge up, filter it out ("Chew") digest it and process it. While marines use the metallic components of the nanosludge, the Kharaa use the components pertinent to biology for their needs, with some metals extracted for vitamin/mineral usage. The excess metals possibly end up as the infestation matter on the walls, possibly as a honeycomb to serve as catalyst material and "housing" for the bacterium, or even energy storage vessels.
It's also explained in the manual that the kharaa seek resource rich, energy rich, water rich, or air rich environments.
Examples? Generator on Caged, Sewer on Caged, Ventilation on caged.
Further examples? Refinery on Bast, Engine on Bast, Feed On Bast, Pipeline on veil, Refinery on origin, ventilation on origin, biodome on origin, etc.
Although the kharaa can probably use room temprature and ordinary lighting as forms of energy, they tend to love high energy places.
Also note that the kharaa are dormant until marines come on board. They are in a state of hibernation, conserving energy, storing it perhaps. The stored energy is used in combat and continually gathered.
Hence, RTFM pwns NoImagination <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
OH PLZ
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it's nano-sludge basically
Aliens are the enemies, so kill them, ask questions later and hope they'll be answered by your superiors.
As an alien, you're an alien so it's obvious how it works.
So, everyone here assumes that the nanosludge is composed of minerals and metals in atomic or molecular form, what if this is not the case? Scientists these days are discovering new ways to create materials which are stronger than steel, among them are types of plastics, and plastics are mostly carbon based.
So what if the nanosludge is a compound that consists of carbon (a few other elements among which are minerals, etc.). Building structures would be easy, since with the use of reactions (triggered by nanomachines/catalists) carbons let themselves be formed into plastics pretty easily.
Food is also mostly carbon based, so it would be a good food source.
I doubt the aliens wouldn't be carbon based lifeforms (other possibilities could be sillicon based, but that'd mean really slow growth and very un-kharaa like creatures (more like crystal-plants or something)), so if we say that the Kharaa are carbon based, that means that they could very well use the nanosludge as an 'energy' source.
Thus, the nanosludge is composed of carbon and minerals (and maybe other elements).