Ghosts
spidermonkey
@ Join Date: 2003-09-13 Member: 20810Members
@ Join Date: 2003-09-13 Member: 20810Members
<div class="IPBDescription">In photographs...</div> A friend sent me <a href='http://www.users.on.net/fcgltd/Ghosts1.ppt' target='_blank'>this</a> and it got me thinking. Photographs seem to be our main 'proof' that ghosts exist, i was thinking about how valid that is, and that the images of ghosts could just be some sort of camera faults or phenomena.
I dont know much about photography, yet i would like to hear from someone who is an experienced photogropher, how these could be explained through lens abborations, refractions etc etc. I found this <a href='http://www.csicop.org/si/9607/ghost.html' target='_blank'>site</a> has an explanation of one type of ghost photo. Though i cant seem to find much more rational explanations.
Do people really think this is solid evidence? And do you believe in ghosts or have had an encounter with a ghost?
I dont know much about photography, yet i would like to hear from someone who is an experienced photogropher, how these could be explained through lens abborations, refractions etc etc. I found this <a href='http://www.csicop.org/si/9607/ghost.html' target='_blank'>site</a> has an explanation of one type of ghost photo. Though i cant seem to find much more rational explanations.
Do people really think this is solid evidence? And do you believe in ghosts or have had an encounter with a ghost?
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Moving aside from the photos shown, even if ghosts existed, why would a photograph show ghosts? Photographs are created from the RGB spectrum of light which our eyes can see, so we can see anything a photograph will capture.
Yea some of the photos are rediculous, but i was wondering about the first photo, that certainly does look like a face. Is it possible two photos got merged or something??
Oh the anticipation!
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I have seen that thing in the 7th slide before. I think someone claimed it was a deamon that they had seen in a cave. It looks real... but i don't know what it is. It sure isn't a penguin though. I like penguins.
when i was 7 i woke up and walked into the loungeroom to only see a tranlucent man in ripped jeans and a checkered long slve shirt looking back at me, then he swiflty started walking towards the wall.. all i could do was just sit and watch in shock .. then he dissapeared thru the wall, i ran to the other side of the wall cus on the other side was a hallway.. but he was gone..
he also locked my grandma in the toilet even tho the lock was on the inside of the toilet and was a simple hook lock thing, she was stuck in there for 2 hours.
I never put my arms over the side of the bed now, cus in that old house, i put my arm over the edge of the bed, and then something grabbed me and tried to pull me under, i was pulling as hard as possible and when i looked down i couldnt see anything holding my arm, but i could feel something grabbing and pulling at it. so i started to scream, and it let go and my dad came running in...
i seriously think that ghost was a mean ghost, all he ever did was attack us and haunt us.. glad we moved out of that house..
as for taking photos of ghosts. i dont know.. it prob is possible but i cant quite understand how you can take a photo of something invisible unless it goes at least translucent or sumfin.. or maybe only certain people can see ghosts because one of their senses may be slightly more advanced.. im not sure... its like dogs.. their sences are so high they can sense something is around.. apparently dogs can see ghosts, thus why they seem to acts funny when its around.. i know our dog titch when we lived in that house, she used to sometimes come running from one room yelping. and she was always willing to leave the house.
he also locked my grandma in the toilet even tho the lock was on the inside of the toilet and was a simple hook lock thing, she was stuck in there for 2 hours.
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I'm sorry but someone has to see the humor in that...you don't? Ok I just suck <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Ah my family has some ghost stories so i will share them too. You will notice most ghost stories occur between sleep, which is interesting.
This happened maybe half a year ago, my auntie, got up at night to walk to the bathroom. When she got there she heard something rattling around in the kitchen, then she remembered the dogs were outside, so it couldnt have been them. Suddenly she felt very cold and heard a voice telling her that her late father is ok and he looks forward to her children (she was pregnant).
Another story (dont know if i remmeber this one correctly), my grandma was staying with her uncle. They had had a baby, which was in a cradle, but the cradle was very unstable and dangerous for the child. Anyway, a figure appeared in the shape of her auntie's father, picked up the blanket on top of the baby, and threw it on the ground, her auntie and uncle both witnessed this. Then disappeared.
My theory on ghosts is that human consciousness has evolved into such a high state that it can detach from the body (we already know this can happen with an out of body experience). When this silver chord between body and 'soul' is severed, the soul may roam free. The soul may disappear, and fade as just a remnant of the person it once was, or it may continue to live, still thinking it was alive.
Ghosts seem to be able to
-move physical matter at will
-disappear at will
-percieve their environment (though without physical eyes, ears, physical touch)
-cause temperature drops
I can see how people want to believe in ghosts. I am not too sure. It is possible that to view ghosts one requires a sixth sense, but look at my second story, two people witnessed the ghost. We can see everything a camera can. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> If we could see the ghosts, then a camera must be able to see them...
Anyway. Heres the theory...*clears throat*
Time, itself, flows like a stream, right? And according to Stephan Hawking, time also bends like a stream when there are obstacles, stars, massive galactic bodies, black holes, what have you. My theory that ghosts are just people like you and I, but in the future. We see the images of "ghosts" as a lapse of their present time intermingles with ours for a breif amount of time. Its the same place, and the same surroundings (for the most part) but just ahead in time. Or vice versa. We see old relatives and such dead, we see the past also. When the flow of time slows to that point (for whatever reason). Thoughts?
/edit as a note I would like to state that I feel, in accordance to my thoery, ghosts are NOT the dead. Or dead. They are quite alive
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Time, itself, flows like a stream, right? And according to Stephan Hawking, time also bends like a stream when there are obstacles, stars, massive galactic bodies, black holes, what have you. My theory that ghosts are just people like you and I, but in the future. We see the images of "ghosts" as a lapse of their present time intermingles with ours for a breif amount of time. Its the same place, and the same surroundings (for the most part) but just ahead in time. Or vice versa. We see old relatives and such dead, we see the past also. When the flow of time slows to that point (for whatever reason). Thoughts?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
WHOA! Theoretical pwnage! Question is, how alive would they be? Would they be just visual illusions, or could they interact? How long would one hang around?
Time, itself, flows like a stream, right? And according to Stephan Hawking, time also bends like a stream when there are obstacles, stars, massive galactic bodies, black holes, what have you. My theory that ghosts are just people like you and I, but in the future. We see the images of "ghosts" as a lapse of their present time intermingles with ours for a breif amount of time. Its the same place, and the same surroundings (for the most part) but just ahead in time. Or vice versa. We see old relatives and such dead, we see the past also. When the flow of time slows to that point (for whatever reason). Thoughts?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
WHOA! Theoretical pwnage! Question is, how alive would they be? Would they be just visual illusions, or could they interact? How long would one hang around? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well the theory explains it. Think of a stream, now imagine yourself in a boat. Your traveling forward through time, as we do living life, there is a sharp turn where you can see the stream on the otherside of a small ridge, or island that causes this turn. You being in the boat and looking over could see another boat "ahead" of you, therefore, there are small lapses like this in time where you can see whats "ahead" Which partly explains psyhics, to an extent.
In the first picture, the ghostly airman bears a very VERY close resemblance to the face he's behind. They even 'smile' the same way...
The next picture, the fire, is hard to tell. It's not color, and all you see are two dark blobs. Had she been standing against a darker background, like the wall next to her, it'd have been easier to tell. In fact, to me it looks like something that was mounted on the railing in front.
Picture 3, family photo. This just looks stupid. First of all you can't really tell what it is. Secondly, notice how none of the appirition appears OUTSIDE the picture frame. I believe it's light reflected off the glass.
Picture 4, face in corner of picture. To me it looks like an old man with a moustache. Again, I think it's development error, from another picture.
Picture 5, obvious just light reflection. The hideous mess above her head is sort of evidence of that.
Picture 6, GOOD GOD WHAT IS THAT THING!? IT'S BATBOY! <img src='http://members.cox.net/batchild1/batboy.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
Picture 7, I've seen pictures like that before. It's a TV screen.
Picture 8, not sure what to make of this one. You don't see a head, hands, or anything, just what seems to be a shirt. Note: Above the shirt where the head should be is a dark blob. Notice that in the light area to the left are more dark blobs, meaning it's part of the wall behind it.
Picture 9, could very well be the couple's daughter. Considering there's no way to find them and find out if they had a daughter, and all there is to go on is the writers word that there was no one in the house... It's not washed out and grainy like all the other ghost pictures: It's a solid person, flesh and blood.
But if they're only images, like a projected image from the past/future, then they would not be able to do any of these things.
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The problem, Stickman, is that there is no 100% sure proof that any of that happens. Me? I'm convinced you're lying. I'm a practical man. I don't believe in god, why would I believe in ghosts? Notice how the only 'proof' of ghosts comes from:
1) Accounts by people that have nothing to show aside from 'You just gotta believe me!'
2) Grainy, low quality, washed out pictures.
3) The lack of any sort of 'ghosts' showing up in digital pictures (That one in the .ppt I'm 100% positive is a TV screen. They look like that in a picture) or video camera recordings, both of which don't require development, and thus can't be fixed, faked, or accidently altered to produce ghostly images.
It's the same as UFO sightings. Me? I believe aliens can exist. I won't say for sure, but if life is possible on earth, and quite possible on mars, then why couldn't intelligent life be possible on some other planet? Good god even if there wasn't any in our whole galaxy, there's about 12 billion other galaxies out there. I don't believe in flying saucers, but I keep an open mind. There are some very interesting videos of strange lights above dallas. I'm not sure what to make of it, but I certainly won't 100% label it as a flying saucer.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The above photo (claimed to be a creature in a rock crevice) is a photo of a carving in Cheddar Showcaves & Gorge in Somerset, England. The REAL story behind it is that a man ("John," 33, Bournemouth UK) went to Saudi Arabia on a business trip. He met a man who said he had seen a flash of light in a dark cave and snapped a picture, and this is the picture that came out. John obtained a copy of the picture (the locals said it was a djinn, or evil spirit) and brought it back to England in search of a buyer. It turns out that the "djinn" is part of Cheddar Showcaves, a tourist attraction which contains an attraction called "Crystal Quest." Crystal Quest is a dark cave full of Tolkeinesque carvings, intermittently lit by strobe. Cheddar Gorge officials confirmed this and noted that many people had taken pictures of strange things in the cave, after seeing a flash of light and pointing their camera at it. You can still see this statue there. This picture was debunked in Fortean Times "Strange Days #1," 1996, pp.27-28, from which the above information is taken.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Pwnt.
It's pretty creepy.
<a href='http://www.consumptionjunction.com/content/downloader.asp?file=/downloads/cj_22895.swf' target='_blank'>Creepy video</a>
I knew it was going to happen...then I was like damn its almost over, and just as I look to check the time I fall out of my chair
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Time, itself, flows like a stream, right? And according to Stephan Hawking, time also bends like a stream when there are obstacles, stars, massive galactic bodies, black holes, what have you. My theory that ghosts are just people like you and I, but in the future. We see the images of "ghosts" as a lapse of their present time intermingles with ours for a breif amount of time. Its the same place, and the same surroundings (for the most part) but just ahead in time. Or vice versa. We see old relatives and such dead, we see the past also. When the flow of time slows to that point (for whatever reason). Thoughts?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well its an interesting theory cwag. However if the ghosts are just refractions of time, how can they manipulate physical matter? Ghosts also seem to come when they chose, usually delivering a message of sort. Why don't we ever see animals as ghosts?? Ghosts seem to know where they are appearing and the reasons for doing this.
Perhaps, when a person dies, their 'consciousness' seperates from their body, and dependant on the person's sense of reality they may continue to exist, or fade out of existence. Though, ghosts have no physical eyes, ears, nose, physical body and a brain to interpret the physical world. So how can they?
Maybe they don't. Most "Ghosts" are seen near where the person supposedly "Died". Maybe a "Ghost" is simply a semi-physical form of someone based on their memories, so they're just repeating actions that they did in normal life. A lot of "Ghost" sightings are seeing a figure walking about, seemingly oblivious of anything/anyone else, going into a room (where they "died") and dissapearing.
However, this doesn't quite tie in with my own sightings... I swear that i have seen things fly accross rooms with no logical explaination. Maybe.... upon death, the human consciousness, and all the engery in the brain, goes through a change (all the energy of the body goes to brain in an effort to live), but it lifts out of the body, and takes a semi-physical form. Or maybe it's telepaphy.