Is Ns Dying ?

Impy_The_Lerk · October 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">i wonder if it is?</div> In the past weeks iv seen top clan after top clan, eather break up, say they quit playing ns, or show disintrest to the future of ns...

Things look bleak imo.

what do you think

is NS dying ?
-Impy <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'>

xl-cow · October 2003

I wouldn't base it on Clans.

Clans are 90% more likely to break up and get angry at everything due to clan politics.

I think when NS and steam integration is here - you'll see a fresh flow.

Epidemic · October 2003

HL is dying <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'>

Predmid · October 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> HL is dying</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

I think that is the root of all the problems... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'>

devicenull · October 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epidemic @ Oct 16 2003, 07:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> HL is dying <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'>  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Yup, with HL2 coming out soon.. (or out now if you want to look at it like that.. (don't start discussing that)) ...people are excited about that, and see HL as a dieing game

eggmac · October 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Impy_The_Lerk @ Oct 17 2003, 01:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
is NS dying ?
 </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
no

Aphon · October 2003

RoT kills mods, even if they arent a clan for that mod.

MrMojo · October 2003

NS is dying. It's true, man.

FLuX · October 2003

*eyes Aphon* I knew it.

roqalicious · October 2003

Unfortuntely competitive play of NS has always been dead. Since probably January every week of CAL NS season has gotten smaller and smaller in number of matches played. They sit at around 15-20 matches a week. Usually 1-5 are forfeited. Thats a max of what, 40 teams. Being top10 out of 40 teams competing is no big deal. Not only that but the skill of the bottom 30 teams is so far below that of the top 5 they wont even win a half, ever.

I love NS and it has been a LOT of fun...I loved beta testing and doing the vet program...but things just aren't going in the right direction IMO. 1.04 was the funnest version of NS, and since 1.04's release every beta patch has gone further and further away from that. NS:Combat is no exception to the rule. The first version of NS:Combat was really fun because it was new...but now basically noone plays it.

Natural Selection is fun AT ITS CORE: Skulks and lerks and gorges vs Marines.

Natural Selection is NOT fun as fades and onos vs Heavy Armor and Jetpack 3/3 marines. That is what ns:combat is. That is what classic NS has become. And as much as I've tried to bring the fun level back into NS it is NOT my game nor anyone else's here but Flayra's. Flarya is an awesome person and understands ALOT about programming, gaming, competitive play, and the community. But you can't have a competitive without competition...And that is what NS lacks. NS has a good basis for competitive play, but it scared away most people. The top teams scared away most people from competing. A new CS team feels like after a week of practice they are CAL-M level and have a chance of beating good teams. A new NS team will take 2 months or more before they even have a chance to beat a decent NS team. Probably 4-6 months before they can compete with the top teams, and by compete i mean still lose but win 1/5 matches against top teams.

Anyways, thats my feeling on the subject.

Haze · October 2003

NS WILL LIVE ON!!!!!!!!

Impy_The_Lerk · October 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>no </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

i think your right HL is still fairly popular, this is NS only from what i see...

-Impy <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'>

Drewbar99 · October 2003

Jus because there r some clan breaking up, doesn't mean that NS is going down the hole, it is still great. I'll be playing it for a long time to come.

Drewbar99 · October 2003

u know, I jus notice that half of the forum was filled up in a space of 30 seconds, thats cool <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Impy_The_Lerk · October 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Jus because there r some clan breaking up, doesn't mean that NS is going down the hole, it is still great. I'll be playing it for a long time to come</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

i would hardly call half of the top ten clans in NS quitting ns "some clans"

that has a big impact, if every ns clan left tommrow leaving only pub players, that would esily cut the ns servers in half... not to mention everyone would be playing with unskilled players forcing all remaining skilled players out....

wouldnt take long after that for the game to totaly die....

im not saying its gonna happen its just what alot of people have been saying...

-Impy <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'>

enf0rcer · October 2003

i must admit that before in 1.04 at least it was fun being marine and owning and accepting on alien that you would lose. Aliens are now king but the teamwork isn't as strong on aliens so it's just not as fun (for me). I can't explain it but 2.0 just isn't as fun as it was before. Mass ownage units like onos and Ha trains ruin it for me. The rare ocation you saw an onos in 1.04 it was really cool. Now it's just.. "5 onos coming... ugh" I've not played ns in a while now, maybe once steam is smoothed out for ns i'll go at it again but i hope that we go back to a stage where Onos are an exiting addition to the game but rarely seen. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

Quaunaut · October 2003

NS is dying because of the fact that many people are simply having a bit of 'off time' with it(as in, the dedicateds). While I agree with another poster that you shouldn't compare clan politics(because...well, their politics are pretty stupid), NS is slowly going down. Its gonna go back up soon, thanks to people getting sick of action games.

Drowning · October 2003

I've heard from a few vets that the reason they're out of NS is because Flayra changed ns so much. For example, removing lerk bite.

criogenics · October 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pandas|RoQ @ Oct 16 2003, 06:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Unfortuntely competitive play of NS has always been dead. Since probably January every week of CAL NS season has gotten smaller and smaller in number of matches played. They sit at around 15-20 matches a week. Usually 1-5 are forfeited. Thats a max of what, 40 teams. Being top10 out of 40 teams competing is no big deal. Not only that but the skill of the bottom 30 teams is so far below that of the top 5 they wont even win a half, ever.

I love NS and it has been a LOT of fun...I loved beta testing and doing the vet program...but things just aren't going in the right direction IMO. 1.04 was the funnest version of NS, and since 1.04's release every beta patch has gone further and further away from that. NS:Combat is no exception to the rule. The first version of NS:Combat was really fun because it was new...but now basically noone plays it.

Natural Selection is fun AT ITS CORE: Skulks and lerks and gorges vs Marines.

Natural Selection is NOT fun as fades and onos vs Heavy Armor and Jetpack 3/3 marines. That is what ns:combat is. That is what classic NS has become. And as much as I've tried to bring the fun level back into NS it is NOT my game nor anyone else's here but Flayra's. Flarya is an awesome person and understands ALOT about programming, gaming, competitive play, and the community. But you can't have a competitive without competition...And that is what NS lacks. NS has a good basis for competitive play, but it scared away most people. The top teams scared away most people from competing. A new CS team feels like after a week of practice they are CAL-M level and have a chance of beating good teams. A new NS team will take 2 months or more before they even have a chance to beat a decent NS team. Probably 4-6 months before they can compete with the top teams, and by compete i mean still lose but win 1/5 matches against top teams.

Anyways, thats my feeling on the subject.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Took em right out of my mouth <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

GoleX · October 2003

|TE| will be the last NS clan around, we will be huddled with Flayra around a barrel on fire, the flames making shadows dance on our blood stained and wrinkled faces, in this the winter of our discontent.

keke hi Impy ^_^

edit: We are also now officially the longest lasting NS clan without a breakup that still plays competitively. formed 10/31/02

lolfighter · October 2003

I figure I'll be back in force once all this sucky business with WON/Steam is over and everyone's playing the same game again. NS:C oughta add a new twist to it all too.

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I've heard from a few vets that the reason they're out of NS is because Flayra changed ns so much. For example, removing lerk bite.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Sore losers.

SentrySteve · October 2003

I'd have to agree that 1.04 was the most fun version of NS -- a JP/HMG rush fix and the game would have rocked. The thing that makes NS boring is the end game. The game could be over in 20:00 mins however due to the fact that it is easier to turrent spam/weld a Tfac than to have a massive charge/umbra/bilebomb rush the games just drag onnnnnnnnn and onnnnnnnnnnn.

HAMBone · October 2003

Nah. First of all we'll probably get some people back when 2.1 and combat comes out. But more importantly, this isnt really anything new. A lot of good clans have split up and #findnsscrim is about as active as it ever was(it was never really active). We didnt start scrimming till 1.03 but i think right when ns was released scrimming was a bit more active but it was so fresh and new to everyone and there were less clans playing more often.

niaccurshi · October 2003

Lets see what happens when NS:C comes out. I personally think that 2.XX is by far more fun than 1.04, because there's a much greater variety of things to do as an individual at many different stages.

As for NS dying...I don't see it personally, not in terms of public play anyway. Not yet.

I also can't agree about this game dragging on thing...public play wise, the best games are those that see-saw, never looking to go specifically one way or the other. in 1.04 you could always tell, since 2.0 it's been a much more balanced affair, now that marines have got to know some tactics since their changes and aliens changes...I see a lot more games where marines get 4 or 5 res nodes, and the game is really close, with one or two turning points.

These games are fun, the mad jp/hmg rush that some people seem to miss (not saying anyone here does) was not fun...nor was waiting out your time to go fade, or evolve to gorge to put the hive up. Now what you do with your time is more important.

-Lee

Drk1 · October 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Impy_The_Lerk @ Oct 16 2003, 04:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> that has a big impact, if every ns clan left tommrow leaving only pub players, that would esily cut the ns servers in half... not to mention everyone would be playing with unskilled players forcing all remaining skilled players out....

wouldnt take long after that for the game to totaly die....  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Not every pub player sucks. A lot of people have a life, and can't be around every on a lot of nights to sit in front of a computer screen. I also noticed a lot of clans meet on saturday. If you want players, thats not the way to get em. I know I actually have stuff to DO on Saturday nights, such as go out with friends or with my girlfriend. Sure, NS is fun, but actually doing something is a helluva lot better. And I sure as hell prefer chatting with my gf or something to NS. Sorry Flayra, but there's no way NS is gonna be better than her <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Even if there are no clans, there will still be a game. A lot of people just can't make the commitment.

ThE_HeRo · October 2003

NS is dying, I think. I want to see what NS:C is like. But as far as competitive play goes....its headed out the window.

CatCop · October 2003

NS isnt dying.
I believe things are happening but it will all change later on.
/me blames the liberals --->Xzilen <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'> <--Liberal

Impy_The_Lerk · October 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Not every pub player sucks. A lot of people have a life, and can't be around every on a lot of nights to sit in front of a computer screen. I also noticed a lot of clans meet on saturday. If you want players, thats not the way to get em. I know I actually have stuff to DO on Saturday nights, such as go out with friends or with my girlfriend. Sure, NS is fun, but actually doing something is a helluva lot better. And I sure as hell prefer chatting with my gf or something to NS. Sorry Flayra, but there's no way NS is gonna be better than her </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

uhh, iv played NS with my Girl on my lap before... thats no excuse <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

secondly if your ont playing games at all, then none of this applys to you anyway, and if your so damn busy WTH u doing posting on a forum you lazy moron... go do something.

-Impy <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'>

Trojan2 · October 2003

I am so demorilized by steam that I havent ouched a HL game in weeks. I dont get it, Steam really did kill my want to play HL/Mods.

Rush_Of_Peons · October 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Drowning @ Oct 16 2003, 07:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I've heard from a few vets that the reason they're out of NS is because Flayra changed ns so much. For example, removing lerk bite.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
YES YES YES! Finally another who shares my pain at the loss of lerk bite. Lerks just do one of two things now, spam gas.... or spam gas.

They are now jsut campers that dont hunt anything and dont patrol or get into the action with umbra etc. Now they jsut spam umbra or gas from a distance and you dont feel involved in the combat. Spikes is useless although i can still use my so called leet skilz to spike HA's to death.

Increasing the health from 65 to 125 just reinforced this "tactic" as before lerking was all aout timing and staying in areas to either ambush marines or support assaults or even to jet packer hunting or HA damaging. Flying over their heads quickly and biting managed to disorientate , confuse and wear down their armour very effectively, now spikes dont exactly bother the HA's.

This is just the lerk im getting started. I wpould ramble about more changes like fade blink etc that were difficult to master and the res **** now but i dont think theres enough room or patience for that sort of thing <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

Rush_Of_Peons · October 2003

SAVE the BABBLERS! Yes you can help save the poor endangered XenoBabberlosi. The Babbler is being displaced into extinction as gorges migrate from being a base building support species into base wrecking tanks

Lol, aint it the truth. I like this message and ill use it in my sig to spread the word! Danation scan be made to me quite easily <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

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