Marine Models.....

BlueTorpeedo · October 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">The marines look like power rangers!</div> Ive given this alot of thought, and I have decided that I feel that the marine and HA models need to be redone. I just dont like them. They look kinda stupid too me. HA looks kinda blocky and clumbsy. It may sound stupid, but the HA model looks too me like the guy inside has to take a huge dump. The Marine is worse. He looks like hes part of a Star Trek fashoin show lineup. Good God; green with gold trim?!! Who came up with that? Is Christopher Lowell on the design Team. Dont let him critique the mappers... there will be throw rugs and Pastels everywhere.
<img src='http://pie.keene.edu/students/rfall/ha.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'><img src='http://pie.keene.edu/students/rfall/marine.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
Basically, what Im getting at is that although the models are top notch , with fuid animations, and well done textures (if not oddly colored), they dont look "BadAss" enough, like the aliens do. Im not trying to insult the guys that made the models, I just think that they could do even better! When Im a marine and I see an alien , I **** myself. The same cant be said when its the other way around. The marines' models just shout "EAT ME!". The HA body suit looks like its made of cardboard. The facial expressoin on the marines looks like he just ate a turd <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'> ; He just doesnt look **** off enough. Some God Damn Kharaa just showed up and started trouble, and now hes there to ruin their ****. He should look uber Angry <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'> .

An example of a badass alien model. The modeler/texturer deserves a cookie.
<img src='http://pie.keene.edu/students/rfall/lerk.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
This Lerk is maybe TOO **** OFF. He (It?) is here to totally F***start some Marine Skulls.

Here are a few ideas from other games/media/whatever:

These dudes from the anime Jin-Roh look way badass. HA with a German Appeall
<img src='http://akao.mine.nu/dextre/ax_jin-roh_b.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>

The stormtroopers from Star Wars are an excellent example of InterGallactic Asskicking!
<img src='http://pie.keene.edu/students/rfall/stormtrooper.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
A.) Stormtroopers are way cool and would rule. They would OWN.
B.) This Chick is Hot <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'> . NS needs Hot chick soldiers. This is important because chicks rule and aliens need more food choices.
C.) [dude in skull shirt] This dude looks like he knows how to KICK ****. TSA recruiters: SIGN HIS **** UP!

Does this pic even NEED a caption? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>
<img src='http://mr-3574.v-mirror.spb.ru/starcraft/content/files/Marine.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
Terran Marines Rock the universe!

I think you get the Idea. I dont want stroomtroopers or terrans in NS. Thats not what Im trying to get at. Im just trying to show some examplees of tride and tested Outer Space asskickers to inspire the team and their models... and you.

BTW: I KNOW i can get custom models for NS, howerver:
1) Most of them suck.
2) Its hard to get many models ingame that look consistent with one another.
3) I think it would be for the good of the NS community to try some new ones. We could always go back.

I really want to know what you all think, minus flames and whining. If you dont agree, say why and be an adult about it. If it turns out that nobody has any interest than maybe changing the models was a bad idea.

Trevelyan · October 2003

you know i respect modelers (hard stuff) i agree the rines just seem like tasty snacks after eating so many, i DLed a Special forces Marine models to make them look more badass, but the rines could use a little "mojo" if you know what i mean.

Geminosity · October 2003

actually, there's a good explanation for why the LA marines look like that... ROBOCOP XD
yeah... they do look poop =/

It's not the modelling job or the skinning, it's the actual design. It's half the reason I don't like being marines in TSA lol
The Cerebus Armour (jin-roh) just rocks <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

S_Purdy · October 2003

>_<

I thought they looked "original" ... I was watching an NS movie the other day, and right after this group of marines walk through a door, he flips on a laser pointer O_O how cool would that be to see in the game ... all these lasers looking all over the place ... then i remembered how laggy a CS server was that had some laser pointer plugin, and cried.

But a laser pointer like that could be used in so many ways. It could easily be used like a temporary parasite attack, if a marine spots an alien it could display a locater on your allies sreens that would track the alien as long as the marine kept it in his/her sight.

... anyway if they ever do revisit the marines models, i hope they think about adding in a second version of the skins(even if its just a different color) so people could create Marine vs. Marine battles (Natural Selection: Combat feature? ::crosses fingers:<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'> ... I guess that wouldnt fit into the whole "Natural Selection" picture, but humans are always fighting eachother ... oh well ...

But yeah ... I <3 Starcraft and, although it wouldnt be at all legal, a rip off of the terran marines for the Heavy Suit upgarde would be so much fun <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Teflon · October 2003

There used to be plugins that put laser pointers in. They sucked. They were downright IDIOTIC. They lagged and looked like crap, but even aside from that, it told every alien excatly where you line-of-sight was at, and how many marines were coming.

Obst · October 2003

Jin Roh models have already been done, as well as Starcraft models. Check the modeling section (I think this thread belongs more to the modeling section.....)

BlueTorpeedo · October 2003

Ive seen the Starcraft model, or at least A Starcraft model , and it sucked. Maybe somebody has made a good one since then. Anyhoo, I personnally dont plan on using custom models if nobody else on the server is, simply because it might be unfair. I dunno. Also, Ive heard alot of servers drop you if you use custom models as an "ANTI - spiked model" countermeasure. Anyhoo, ill have to give it another "look-see". I'd really like to see the models OFFICIALLY changed because I think it might enhance the game graphically.

Geminosity · October 2003

Does steam allow for custom content anyways? o.O

Haze · October 2003

This is where you get some custom models done. No reason to change the whole game just to fit your taste, thats why there are custom models.

I for one, like how the marines look.

Redford · October 2003

I am sorry you "do not like the look of them" but saying that "they need to be redone" then adding badly photoshopped pictures is unliky to cause the devteam to reconsider this. If you are so sure you know exactly what the marines should look like and know exactly how to do this while falling under texture size and poly limits, then go make your own custom model. Until then, I think you need to cease complaining.

Rhodri · October 2003

yeah i think flayra n the team have enough to do as it it without people winging about the models. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'> i admit the green doesn't really fit my test but i downloaded a nice set which makes all the marines black and gold and also changes a lot of the guns with new sounds models etc. and i dont think many servers are very picky about custom models as it doesn't change the game for anyone else. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

BlueTorpeedo · October 2003

Man, if only I had 3 hours with nothing better to do, uber-leet paintshop pro skills, and the workstation i was using at my job magically spawned a copy of paintshop-pro or photoshop I could make uber pictures that would just get flamed anyway. HAHAHA. I like how my MSpaint art looks, it has that <a href='http://maddox.xmission.com' target='_blank'>Maddox</a> appeal. I'd also like to point out that , to my surprise, a good portion [1/3 maybe?]of the posters on this subject admit they dont like the models in some form or another or suggest so being that they are running custom models. Doesnt that constitute a change? or at least a 2nd thought?

Also Herr Obst und Gemuese: I cant find a Jin-Roh model with the forum search, and the modified MP44 model has a broken link... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>

Anyhoo , I dont want an Admin going apeshit that I have custom models installed and he thinks Im spiking them. Im also pretty sure that if CD sees that the models are different than the servers it tripps [or at least Ive been told it does, never tried].

Haze · October 2003

CD doesnt trip from custom models. Its when you have external programs running or external programs enabled in the corse of playing.

Only servers can enforce model consistancy, and not many of them do.

CFInsane · October 2003

i have to say...i sorta agree...maybe make new marine models for the next version..maybe even a model style (there should be a choosing screen for ur model so it doesnt all look the same...more movie making friendly <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>)

and i have to say the HA marine looks too bulky...and i think the model should be updated..or even changed with new animations to fit it to make it look more flexible (no im not posting in customization...no one will make one...and if somsone does make one..gameplay might get screwy)

maybe make the heavy armor have less boxy parts and make it more round

Talesin · October 2003

*Phased* to NS Customization.

Actually, many servers *do* have mp_consistency set to 1, as that is the default. The current models are set up both for visibility restrictions (meaning that it's much easier to see a Marine in bright pink armor, and much more difficult on the whole to see a Marine in black armor) as well as originality (meaning that they aren't ripped off from any other game, series, or creation which could cause legal complications). Myself, I have no problems witht he default models as they look decent for the game with which they were intended. About the only thing that I'd even consider replacing them with would be high-poly versions, or versions which had been configured to work properly with ATI's TruForm feature (instead of turning the TF into a VW Beetle when enabled).

Quaunaut · October 2003

Personally, I 100% fully disagree with you. I think that the player models KICK ****. Not to mention, their more realistic than that BS Jin-Roh armor- that would make you move so damned slow it ain't even funny. Halo's armor is much like this, just thicker, and theres more of it. Not to mention, the TSA doesn't wanna look like baddasses. They wanna get the job done. And the models rock.

Also, the custom models for NS don't 'suck'. Why don't you learn to model, even a little bit, maybe stick some 'baddass' ones in from CS.

Or, as I basically have wanted to say during this whole thing-

You just got flamed-by-a-smart-guy!

Billy_Silverfish · October 2003

Actually, I think the default HA model is possibly the best human player model I've seen in a HL mod.

(I'm pretty sure that "mp_consistency 0" is the default setting too.)

CplDavis · October 2003

lol that is funny post. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

I m waiting for that new marine pack that is comming out. (cant remember the name.)

BlueTorpeedo · October 2003

I do know how to model, I just dont feel I have the time or the patience to really turn out a really uber model, nor do I have the software for the modeling (unless maya will do it) or for the textures. Dont suggest Milkshape, I didnt like it when I tried it. I prefer mapping anyway <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'> . Anyhoo, If you like the current models, congrats; one less thing for you to think about.

Unreal_Panther · October 2003

I agree with the basis of the topic, I mean the models are very nice and do fit the game properly but for me it's just not really my style to be all green and such thus the reason I have a secret project in the works.... :| *secret* anyways custom models are made to fit certain people, no one is going to like everything you do...

Also: I have a question regarding transparency in player models (Hologramish style) So if someone can help please IM, or PM me. Thank you...

Jamil · October 2003

Taste is a very objective thing. If you think the defaults suck, then that is your prerogative. If you think everything else that's available sucks, then you're just a very very sad person.

Drfuzzy · October 2003

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (S. Purdy @ Oct 14 2003, 01:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> >_<

I thought they looked "original" ... I was watching an NS movie the other day, and right after this group of marines walk through a door, he flips on a laser pointer O_O how cool would that be to see in the game ... all these lasers looking all over the place ... then i remembered how laggy a CS server was that had some laser pointer plugin, and cried.

But a laser pointer like that could be used in so many ways. It could easily be used like a temporary parasite attack, if a marine spots an alien it could display a locater on your allies sreens that would track the alien as long as the marine kept it in his/her sight.

... anyway if they ever do revisit the marines models, i hope they think about adding in a second version of the skins(even if its just a different color) so people could create Marine vs. Marine battles (Natural Selection: Combat feature? ::crosses fingers:<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'> ... I guess that wouldnt fit into the whole "Natural Selection" picture, but humans are always fighting eachother ... oh well ...

But yeah ... I <3 Starcraft and, although it wouldnt be at all legal, a rip off of the terran marines for the Heavy Suit upgarde would be so much fun <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'> </td></tr></table>
i think its possable, put on some of the transparent textures and wala, laserpointers... how accurate they are is one thing, and it would be concidered h4x0rz (you can see the lasers before they come around a corner)
but would be cool, none the less <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>
i got some CS laser pistol i converted, its pretty decent. called the sons of liberty pistol or something.
but its only vwep <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

but ya can get vwep, but you will only see the laser through your prospective :/

Unreal_Panther · October 2003

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Jamil @ Oct 14 2003, 04:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Taste is a very objective thing. If you think the defaults suck, then that is your prerogative. If you think everything else that's available sucks, then you're just a very very sad person.  </td></tr></table> 
Indeed, not necisarly sad. I have allot of ns customised models and I switch around with them when i play if i get bored looking at one (I Have 118 Models) zips with contain approxomently 137 models....

Gnatsum · October 2003

On a SIDE NOTE, I just have to make a second word about that chic.

Wow, absolutly stunningly gorgeous all the way down to the fungus between her toes.

ok carry on.

Cheez1 · October 2003

The marines are green blue and gold becuase these are the official TSA colors. Would you prefer they were bright orange like Gordon freeman?

Also, since this is not CS, and all the areas are indoors and mostly industrial, there's no need for camo or outfits that blend with the surroundings, in fact if they did, people would complain as it would be hard to track marines while up close and trying to kill them. This isn't CS. This could even be a different timeline from our world all-together. Flayra never explicitly mentions times, places and dates. I also find models with lots of gadgets loaded on them like lazers and night-vision goggles with gas masks and scoped zoom in binoculars with titanium plating is just foolish. If it doesn't actually work in game then it's just cluttering up the model un-nessesairly.

Also AFAIK someone already suggested those star-wars characters, and were shot down by the modelers, no one wanted to do it because no one liked the idea. It just didn't fit with the game. I really hated how in other mods people would want (and make) models of characters from RPGs, television, anime, movies or other such sources that didn't fit with the game AT ALL. Its like giving everyone in CS lazerguns and hover-boots, then replacing the counter terrorists with Master chief, it just DOESN'T WORK.

If you don't like the marines and the custom models we currently have on the forums, go make a suggestion to the modelers, or do it yourself, and do not be rude about it. (aka, a bunch of foolish mspaint-ed pics and hard to understand suggestions is not the way to go.)

On a side note:

Someone asked earlier if steam allows for custom content, and yes it does, you just have to make your OWN model directory in the "steam/steamapps/<youremail>/<mod>/" folder.

CoolCookieCooks · October 2003

i actualy feel quite offended by one of his posts, he sed tht he saw a sc model and it sucked.
how would you feel if you made a model and someone just sez it sucks and goes away, you would feel offended too. and btw the default models rock.

Daza4 · October 2003

MUST RESIT FLAME AGHHHH DAMN THOSE ADMIN DRUGS!!

Firstly: Don't like models than don't play
Secondly: Hate defualts get CUSTOMIZED ONES
Thirdly: If all models suck to your oppinon than make your own or go play cs WIHT j00 "elite" awp8r skilz

LIEK OMG!

watch_me_die · October 2003

Personally I like the default marines, however I have tweaked the skins a little (using fiddled NSTR skin) to make them more exciting <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

However I must commend you on a very nice post - well written with nice pictures and humourous as well <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>
<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'> 2 gorges for you!

BlueTorpeedo · October 2003

Some of you are taking this WAY to seriously. I kinda thought that, with the MSpaint pictures, the talk of being "Badass" and all , that we would see the humor in it. I wasnt going to spend hours to suggest an idea that I could express in 5 minutes in MSpaint and a short essay. When I wrote my post I wanted to give you guys a quick laugh and ask your opinion on a simple question.

The Marine models arnt that bad. Ill admit that, as I already did, in my first post, when I said they were "TOP NOTCH" , "FLUID", and "WELL TEXTURED". The current models wont make me stop playing NS, or make me go on some lame quest to make the "BEST NS MODEL EVER". I just think they can be better. Apparantly , I was way wrong. According to the flamers, the models are so uber they have reached perfection or something, which, by definition, is impossible. And that any changes would be completely wrong. I dunno, sounds like certain people just like to flame for the hell of it.

Many of the other MODs update their models every now and then, or try to offer variation. I figured it was time for the NS modelers to take another crack at it. It seems they popped out a bunch of good models from the start and then dissapeared from the NS scene. As far as I can tell , all the NS models are all 1.0 original. Will they still be so when NS hits 1.0 final? It wouldnt be bad, but that gives the models no chance to get better either.

Ultimately , I wrote this post because I wanted to know what you guys thought would be cool ideas for new models or wether you felt they should stay the same. I care about your opinions alot, as does the team Im sure. I dont want the Marines to look like what I want them to look like; ultimately , I want them to look like what WE want them to look like. I was just throwing Ideas around. I also dont think everyone read my original post in full before going into mad flame mode. alot of people's responces seemed inconsistant with what I was asking.

And about the StarCraft model thing. I AM TOTALLY SORRY. I really should not have posted that, or in that way. I kinda let my opinion get the better of me.

also, about the chick In that picture- yes , she is very hot! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'> everytime I scroll through this post to take a "look-see" I see that pic and get perma-wood!

And one last thing , before I sign out. can we just Hold the flames? for the sake of the Forums, the moderators who have to deal with it and the poor noobs who get scared away from NS because of it. I think we can all agree that NS is better without it and that nobody really likes it. I like to think that our posters' forum edicate (spelling?) is amongst the best and most professional of the gaming community.

Obst · October 2003

Also, Herr BlueTorpeedo, if you are even unable to use the search function perhaps you should stop using NS.

I searched for: Jin Roh [OMG no one could have imagined this!!!!!!!!11]

<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?forums=19&cat_forum=forum&act=Search&CODE=01&joinname=1&keywords=jin+roh' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...eywords=jin+roh</a>

After using my eyes (don't push the +use key, hax0r!) I found this topic!

<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=19&t=46430&hl=jin+roh' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...6430&hl=jin+roh</a>

THE MAGIC !!!! teh h4x!!!!!

[I'm a bit upset of getting called with "Herr". This might be formly, but somehow I sense it was used in an offensive way, I don't know why]
[OK I know why: It's the pronounciation. And in THIS environment were we go without "Mr." and "Herr" I think it was intended to sound like this. Correct me if I'm wrong]
[And please also forgive the perhaps offensive sound of this post, I just don't like getting my legs **** by someone who is unable to use search correctly....]

Dillinja · October 2003

and i found this <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=19&t=49760&st=0' target='_blank'>TOPIC</a>

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

Marine Models.....

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