Some Hmg Concepts

Chimp · October 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">Based of the BAR, But not exactly.</div> one with the magazine on top

Chimp · October 2003

woops

Chimp · October 2003

aha

BigBull · October 2003

Shotty for the top one

lmg for t3h bottom.

better coloring?

Chimp · October 2003

I am working on a Winchester Model 66 Repeating Rifle for a shotty. God that would be so awesome ingame.

Cheez1 · October 2003

The BAR didn't have a clip on top AFAK....but still it is pretty interesting having a top-loading HMG, but i'd be afraid that the model would cover too much of the screen (like the one im MOH:S does >_>)

Still this would fit with that WW2 pack that's in the works, but im sure they probably have some hmg concept in mind.

Icejelly · October 2003

That was the bren <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

And a sexay gun with useless gadgets too. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Necrosis · October 2003

I wanted a bren style HMG, I thought it would really fit in.

In fact I'll play about with a bren in paint and see if it comes out nice.

Necrosis · October 2003

Not threadjacking, just adding my own (crappy) HMG concept based around the Bren.

Its not great, but the important bit is you get the idea.

Dr_Zer0 · October 2003

gah, clip on top, reminds me of that butt ugly Bren <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'>

Necrosis · October 2003

Don't hurt the Bren's feelings!!

Sid · October 2003

...Nice textures... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Necrosis · October 2003

Just to give people the rough idea.

If I could model and had x modelling packages then I'd probably use those. If my scanner was working I'd hand draw it.

As it is I've to make do with Paint. So has the other guy, it seems.

sporty · October 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dr.Zer0 @ Oct 6 2003, 06:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> gah, clip on top, reminds me of that butt ugly Bren <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'>  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
word. why do you guys fancy ww2 guns?
and top-loading guns would cover too much fov, which is bad <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

Sid · October 2003

Hey - I didn't mean to sound sarcastic. It's very creative using textures. I'm actually suprised other people don't think about doing so, aswell.

I like the concepts - and I am a BIG fan of the bren. But BigBull's looks to... "Modern" or even Classic... If you can make it more futuristic-looking... like Necro's. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Good concept. But wouldn't the top magazine get int he way of some sort of sights or something...? Maybe have the Iron Sights mounted ont he side of the gun, perhaps? Just a few ideas.

Good job!

-Sid

Necrosis · October 2003

Sid - NP, my fault, I'm acting very defensive of those of us forced to use Paint <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>

Back on topic-

The way I'd conceived it to be held (my one) was slightly to the side, so yes you'd lose some of your FOV though IMHO it'd be worth it for a Bren.

Anyhow I'm just tossing ideas out - I know they're not 3d rendered masterpieces but hopefully someone will look on them and think "actually, there's an idea".

I mean the Stoner 63A isn't a million miles from a Bren and it can be adapted for belt fed ammunition. Then there's the vehicle mounted machine guns which have a great look too - the L37 A1 for instance. And for out and out odd there's the Degtyarev DPM and its Chinese copy.

I just love the more cannon like machine guns. Perhaps I'm insane <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'> The over under look of the HMG is nice but I'd like to see a side by side concept or something more retro-y like the current LMG.

-Drake- · October 2003

i use paint for all my stuff <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

SkinnY · October 2003

i never liked the mag on top of the gun :/ it looks.. well wrong, why not keep it on the side ?

and drake... you use paint AND strips <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Necrosis · October 2003

The mag on top thing is the Bren "look".

Coincidentally also the basis of Games Workshop's early autocannon models. Can you guess which heavy weapon I use a lot of in Warhammer 40K?? *laughs*.

I think the problem with it on the side is that it looks like a beefy LMG. IMHO probably want to copy the Stoner and have a belt fed drum on the side. At most it might take up a little of the bottom of the screen, but IMHO you're rarely looking at that area anyway..

-Drake- · October 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>i never liked the mag on top of the gun :/ it looks.. well wrong, why not keep it on the side ?

and drake... you use paint AND strips </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

Yeah i think paint is easy to use
and thats wot i use i also have adobe but i only use it for skinning and stuff

as for the mac i think it look ok on top as long as it dont obstruct your view

Necrosis · October 2003

Here's the DOD Bren re-origined im HLMV to give a rough idea of blockage.

TBH you *could* play about with the length and size, and could also try a straight mag, rather than curved. IIRC the original czech version utilised a straight mag, the .303 cartridge demanded a curve.

Observe link:

<a href='http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/SmallArms/bren.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/SmallArms/bren.htm</a>

Observe pic:

-Drake- · October 2003

Well thats not to bad tho if the model was longer in length the mac might seem more inposing

Necrosis · October 2003

Yarr see that model is originally designed for firing prone. The one I'd try to use would be sort of at the waist, right hand on the trigger, left hand on the grip you can see in the pic.

Ever see Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels? Thats pretty much the idea.

Some huge long gun that makes a lot of noise and lets the aliens know that daddy's home. Meh, nostalgia.

It DOES look waaayy too short in that screeny tho. Hrm.

EDIT

Way too small. It needs either scaled up or side by side with a big thick mag. Beefing up, definitely.

Icejelly · October 2003

Bah...who needs ironsights when you have...

The Crosshair! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Really sexay bren there, makes me cream my....cake. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Necrosis · October 2003

The Bren makes DOD all the sweeter.

Sadly I don't think its in any MoH expansion yet <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'>

(tho I think a similar weapon is in Breakthrough)

So why not have it in NS eh?

Necrosis · October 2003

I ported the Bren over from DoD for personal use - I just want to see it ingame before I begin a concerted effort of begging for people to make something like it.

I'll keep you posted.

Necrosis · October 2003

Ok pic of said hack just to get an idea of scale.

IMHO it certainly needs bulking up, or twin brens side by side.

Necrosis · October 2003

Cheap photoshop magic to bulky it up a bit. Looks a bit better, though the origins are off - that mag should be closer and the barrels longer.

Sid · October 2003

That looks AWESOME! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Necrosis · October 2003

Yarr - its only a placeholder (its the DoD Bren) but it would give you an idea of it ingame.

TBH the model would need redone from scratch and bulkified. And I'm not a modeller.

Cheez1 · October 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Necrosis @ Oct 6 2003, 10:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> The Bren makes DOD all the sweeter.

Sadly I don't think its in any MoH expansion yet <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'>

(tho I think a similar weapon is in Breakthrough)

So why not have it in NS eh?  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
I think you mean this gun from Breakthrough, though i think it IS a Bren...looks about the same <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Perhaps you meant "Berth", not "Bren" hehehe.

Some Hmg Concepts

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