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FlayraFlayra Game Director, Unknown Worlds EntertainmentSan Francisco Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 3Super Administrators, NS2 Developer, Subnautica Developer
<div class="IPBDescription">"attacked" on two fronts</div>Hey everyone,

I've been seeing a lot of threads recently that people are tired of waiting for NS.  At the same time, the playtesters are all telling me about a zillion things that aren't working or need to be rebalanced.  I also have plenty of my own goals to complete before making NS public.  Some members of the dev team (me included) want more then anything to get the first version done and take a break.  So the team is simultaneously being told "hurry up hurry up" and "there's so much broken that you HAVE to fix"!  It makes it quite difficult to be sandwiched in between and try to make everyone happy.

So try to be patient (even if that means going off and doing something else for awhile), and try to have faith that we are working hard to make a great game for you.
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  • DunsbyDunsby Join Date: 2002-08-01 Member: 1042Awaiting Authorization
    but i wanna play ns...  i dream that im a  <!--emo&:asrifle:--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/asrifle.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':asrifle:'><!--endemo-->  being attacked by  <!--emo&:tiny:--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tiny.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':tiny:'><!--endemo-->  <!--emo&:tiny:--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tiny.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':tiny:'><!--endemo-->  <!--emo&:tiny:--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tiny.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':tiny:'><!--endemo-->  and i win

    grrrrrrr guess ill have to wait longer
  • SlycasterSlycaster Limited Edition Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 24Members, NS1 Playtester
    Hell, i can't wait for the release and i'm a playtester!
  • MustafaMustafa Join Date: 2002-01-27 Member: 117Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Flayra+Aug. 21 2002,19:22--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Flayra @ Aug. 21 2002,19:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Hey everyone,

    I've been seeing a lot of threads recently that people are tired of waiting for NS.  At the same time, the playtesters are all telling me about a zillion things that aren't working or need to be rebalanced.  I also have plenty of my own goals to complete before making NS public.  Some members of the dev team (me included) want more then anything to get the first version done and take a break.  So the team is simultaneously being told "hurry up hurry up" and "there's so much broken that you HAVE to fix"!  It makes it quite difficult to be sandwiched in between and try to make everyone happy.

    So try to be patient (even if that means going off and doing something else for awhile), and try to have faith that we are working hard to make a great game for you.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Don't worry, they will survive...
  • LegionnairedLegionnaired Join Date: 2002-04-30 Member: 552Members, Constellation
    We'll be fine. Let us #####. Do what has to be done.
  • C0nan_The_LibrarianC0nan_The_Librarian Join Date: 2002-07-31 Member: 1039Members
    thx for the reply i can wait, besides ive got school now so i have things to do
  • MendaspMendasp I touch maps in inappropriate places Valencia, Spain Join Date: 2002-07-05 Member: 884Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow, Retired Community Developer
    I think i can wait... i can map something while i wait ^^

    we'll enjoy it sooner or later, thats for sure, but i think people needs to calm down a little <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
  • GazaarGazaar Join Date: 2002-03-31 Member: 366Banned
    Having no patience is for fools, so I have patience <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->.  And by the way SBV, your sig AND your avatar don't work
  • SentrySteveSentrySteve .txt Join Date: 2002-03-09 Member: 290Members, Constellation
    Maybe this should be a sticky?
  • Carbon14Carbon14 Join Date: 2002-07-29 Member: 1025Members, Retired Developer
    Thanks Flayra for the news <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->  I will just continue to map and make textures until release.

    I am really looking forward to a well finished mod, and I don't really mind waiting a bit longer for it.
  • MooMoo_the_SnowCowMooMoo_the_SnowCow Join Date: 2002-08-03 Member: 1057Members
    I don't mind waiting cause the wait till be worth it.
  • JammerJammer Join Date: 2002-06-03 Member: 728Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Flayra+Aug. 21 2002,19:22--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Flayra @ Aug. 21 2002,19:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->the playtesters are all telling me about a zillion things that aren't working or need to be rebalanced.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    So its the PLAYTESTERS faults we don't have NS yet! Damn them!

    :-P
    Thanks for the update Flayra, makes it a bit more bearable.
    Though an ETA would be better. <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->
  • FreemantleFreemantle Join Date: 2002-06-16 Member: 783Members
    <span style='color:red'>You all know how I feel...</span>
  • ZcaliberZcaliber Join Date: 2002-01-26 Member: 93Members
    Guess that means n- *transmission disrupted for speculation* -lease... Looks like we just have to wait a bit longer. -_-

    Hey, thanks Flay for the update regardless. Nice to know you people are still alive. ^^;;

    *Goes back to drooling at the Heavy Marine*
  • BattousaixBattousaix Join Date: 2002-06-25 Member: 822Members
    i just wanna see more screenies and maybe a small demo and ill be happy enough to survive 3 weeks more <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo-->
  • TomodachiTomodachi Join Date: 2002-08-16 Member: 1175Members
    I'm recently pretty new to NS, so I got lots of stuff to check out about NS. It'll give me something to do till then.
  • Res1Res1 Join Date: 2002-08-18 Member: 1187Members
    Thx for the update Flayra <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo-->
  • Hida_TsuzuaHida_Tsuzua Lamarck&#39;s Heir Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 79Members, NS1 Playtester
    And when NS does come out (ask your local psyshic for this date&#33<!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->, it will rock.
  • KiDKiD Join Date: 2002-08-21 Member: 1207Members
    [blue] burrrrrr, time for poll!

    how much money will it take to ahhemmm "speed things up"

    ill transfer from a swiss bank :/

    good luck and have fun flattenin out the wrinkles dev team

    keep the coffee and soda chuggin.... i only wished it would be out b4 school starts so i can have a few all days/nights of it b4 i get re-enslaved in school :/.... i bet many ppl will end up stayin up allllll night for the first few days of it, regardless of school and work[/blue]

    im testin color in this script might not work....cuz im not forum wise
  • ComproxComprox *chortle* Canada Join Date: 2002-01-23 Member: 7Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver, Subnautica Developer, Subnautica Playtester, Pistachionauts
    And I understand, just about every post in the PT forums is about "fix this" "change that" "rebalance this" "this is too strong/weak" <!--emo&:(--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('><!--endemo-->
    /me takes a step back and relooks at NS in a better way, which is hard to do when I already look on it in such a good way <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->
  • KiDKiD Join Date: 2002-08-21 Member: 1207Members
    would it be possible to give ppl access to view the PT forum but not be able to post anything?, but then again... ppl will go there see something gettin taken away they "think" they like and then will rant on the general forum bout it : / hmm it was worth a shot
  • SlycasterSlycaster Limited Edition Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 24Members, NS1 Playtester
    err, no, that wouldn't be possible, it would start rumors, and there is some other important things that you cannot see on it.  Sorry, but it isn't going to happen. <!--emo&:(--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('><!--endemo-->
  • ErpErp Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 90Members
    I don't know about anyone else, but I find that sometimes guns that seem unbalanced kick ### when you get used to them.
  • VeNeMVeNeM Join Date: 2002-07-13 Member: 928Members
    hey flay, take into consideration that players often base a weapons' strenth on their own abuility. Ive seen it time and again in FLF where someone would complain a weapon was too strong, and when they changed a weapon the balanced got way too messed up and ppl left the mod.
  • TraneTrane Join Date: 2002-02-01 Member: 148Members
    just let the man get it right
  • LazarusLazarus Join Date: 2002-01-28 Member: 122Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Gold
    Heh, and we were worried that NS would fall into the shaddow of CS 1,4. Anyone remeber that topic?
  • UkiTakuMukiUkiTakuMuki Join Date: 2002-08-13 Member: 1141Members
    keep up the great effort you devteam!

    the wait will be worth it! :>
  • joevjoev Giving grief... With a smile. Join Date: 2002-07-20 Member: 977Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin--RAPTOR+Aug. 22 2002,08:48--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (RAPTOR @ Aug. 22 2002,08:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->hey flay, take into consideration that players often base a weapons' strenth on their own abuility. Ive seen it time and again in FLF where someone would complain a weapon was too strong, and when they changed a weapon the balanced got way too messed up and ppl left the mod.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well, the playtesters (myself included) are a pretty intelligent lot.

    I haven't seen anyone mention something like "change this gun, it sucks because I can't use it".

    Please credit us with more intelligence than that.

    There is a good two-way dialog between the devs and the PT's and this has lead to an incredibly excellent game.

    Any balancing issues are discussed at length by both the PT's and the dev team with many peoples perspectives involved. Then it's discussed again... and then some pain-in-the-backside (mea culpa) brings it up again and it's discussed again with all the pros and cons weighed up.

    As always not everyone agrees with everyone, but when a consensus is reached it's usually a good middle ground.

    So at the moment, yes, I think the PT's are holding things up by working on balancing issues and feeding back to the devs... it'll be worth it tho.. *BELIEVE ME*

    I'm a cynical old git who's been playing games online (in various forms) since about 1987 (good ole PBEM) and I can tell you that NS is about the best game I've ever played.

    Since I started in the PT, I've dropped every other game like a stone, that includes DoD which was my greatest love since 1.0 and NwN which I waited 3 years for (and loved).... All else now seems tame and boring compared to NS.

    The PT's work hard (and the devs 10 times harder) so please don't disrespect their hard efforts on your behalf. (I'm only a n00bie PT so my contribution is alot less than most)

    So, hold your horses... when NS is released it really really *really* WILL be worth the wait.

    joev.
  • GobyWanGobyWan Join Date: 2002-02-22 Member: 234Members
    I say we wait for Flayra and company to get everything nice and ready for us, balance it all out, and make it a really great game. I can wait long enough for them to do that, I think. If we rush it out, bad things will happen and balance issues will sit there glaring at us until a bugfix patch. Easier for them to get it done and take a break, they've earned it.
  • Rico1Rico1 NS Oldtimer Join Date: 2002-05-24 Member: 664Members
    Take all the time you need.
  • yesukaiyesukai Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 464Members
    Just read the first post.
    Really, take your time, do it right.
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